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At the last OPEC meeting the price per barrel was set at $55.00 per barrel
for 2005/2006, this was set as the bare minimum, I think their calendar year kicks in around June 2005 and yes I agree $100.00 should be the base price. Expect a major price hike after Washington threatens to go ballistic on Iran and more car bombs light up the sky in Saudi Arabia...the mid-east is about to get very interesting, North American reaction of course will be to build and buy bigger and more powerful automobile engines for the drive to Wal Mart 200 miles away to take advantage of all those deep discount savings on stuff no longer made in America. Might be a bit premature to look into becoming hippie survivalists, but then again as the air we breath ends up on par with Mexico City and the only really good jobs left in America include you asking if your customer wants Fries with their burger...might not hurt to read up on planting a veggie garden. Oh and as America becomes more interesting, expect the cost of tires to rise a few pennies and everything else we import goes up as fuel costs go up to get stuff to America. Nice thing about being old is you have learned to not get excited and take all this global insanity in stride...if I was 30 years younger, I'd be pretty ****ed & worried with the way the nation and the environment is going downhill. "Zach" wrote in message ups.com... Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever it is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel to pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of oversized, overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we have more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding recumbents. Zach |
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"Zach" wrote in message oups.com... Mark Leuck wrote: "Zach" wrote in message oups.com... Mark Leuck wrote: "Zach" wrote in message ups.com... Wasn't oil going for about $55/barrel a couple months ago? Whatever it is the price is much too low and I hope it goes above $100/barrel to pay for the real costs. Then maybe the excessive number of oversized, overweight, single occupant vehicles will get off our roads so we have more space for more benign forms of transportation such as riding recumbents. Zach And if that happens you will be spending double for that recumbent No big deal, it will still be much less expensive than a car. Zach Then again that is assuming you can buy that recumbent by then I fail to understand the logic of people who wish the worst on everyone else so they can have more what they happen to like doing In case you haven't noticed the world is going to hell due to overuse of resources and the large number of people driving single occupant, inefficient vehicles burning up petrol as if it were water has got to stop if life on earth is to survive. Anything that can be done to discourage destroying the environment through driving and excessive resource use is a worthy cause in my book. I'm willing to suffer reduced convenience to help save the world but many aren't and won't start conserving resources and reducing their pollution output until it becomes too expensive for them to drive. This is the beginning of the peak oil age and things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. Hopefully humanity can correct itself before it is too late and the mass die off occurs. It is already starting to happen. Look at what is going on with global warming and how many people are dying in wars these days. Zach Zach: Oil isn't just about transportation. Transportation is only a part of the picture. If you want to reduce the SUV's on the road then taxing gasoline to the point people are forced to choose lower cost alternatives is the way to go. You don't have to wreck the means of production for the world's industries along with putting youself out of business in the process to accomplish this. skip |
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Mark ... et. al.,
What Zach is talking about should not be made light of. Check out these sobering and frightening websites. Even the fictional accout gives cause for concern. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Home.html http://www.museletter.com/archive/110.html Jim McNamara Mark Leuck wrote: "Zach" wrote in message oups.com... Then again that is assuming you can buy that recumbent by then I fail to understand the logic of people who wish the worst on everyone else so they can have more what they happen to like doing In case you haven't noticed the world is going to hell due to overuse of resources and the large number of people driving single occupant, inefficient vehicles burning up petrol as if it were water has got to stop if life on earth is to survive. That is your opinion, if it weren't for oil you wouldn't have even a fraction of what you now have including your recumbent, Oil is used in the production and transportation of your bike as well as just about everything else you currently use And the earth will survive just fine long after we puny humans are gone no matter what we do Anything that can be done to discourage destroying the environment through driving and excessive resource use is a worthy cause in my book. I'm willing to suffer reduced convenience to help save the world but many aren't and won't start conserving resources and reducing their pollution output until it becomes too expensive for them to drive. You go ahead and suffer but I see no reason why I need to just so you can have a better time on your bike This is the beginning of the peak oil age and things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. We'll wait and see, I have a strong feeling it won't happen quite the way you appear to want Hopefully humanity can correct itself before it is too late and the mass die off occurs. It always does It is already starting to happen. Look at what is going on with global warming and how many people are dying in wars these days. Zach People have been dying for something for centries, before oil it was land, before that it was religion in fact these days it's religion over oil, and I've heard the "this is the peak oil age" back in the 70's when it was projected oil would run out in 20 years, didn't wash then and it doesn't now. |
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x-posted to ASA
Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet?????? Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent = = wrote: Jim, Good Lord! What Zach is talking about should not be made light of. Check out these sobering and frightening websites. Even the fictional accout gives cause for concern. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Home.html snip other URL This is a doomsday scenario. I hope someone smarter than me can put my mind at rest and prove this scenario wrong. -- -Graham Remove the snails to email ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Zach" wrote in message oups.com... snip Look at what is going on with global warming and how many people are dying in wars these days. Zach I can't speak to global warming, but there are records of war deaths available and the numbers of people dying from war these days is small compared to past wars. 660,000 military deaths in the civil war. 4,000 deaths in one day on the land where I now live. 8,500,000 military and civilian deaths in World War I. 55,000,000 military and civilian deaths in World War II. Add to that the 5,000,000 Jews that died in the Holocaust. 2-3 million military and civilian deaths estimated in the Korean conflict. 727,000 US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam military deaths in the Vietnam conflict. Also keep in mind that in the US we have legally aborted over 46,000,000 babies since Roe v. Wade (1973). skip |
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent = skip = wrote: I can't speak to global warming, but there are records of war deaths available and the numbers of people dying from war these days is small compared to past wars. 660,000 military deaths in the civil war. 4,000 deaths in one day on the land where I now live. 8,500,000 military and civilian deaths in World War I. 55,000,000 military and civilian deaths in World War II. Add to that the 5,000,000 Jews that died in the Holocaust. 2-3 million military and civilian deaths estimated in the Korean conflict. 727,000 US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam military deaths in the Vietnam conflict. So what? What is you're point? Also keep in mind that in the US we have legally aborted over 46,000,000 babies since Roe v. Wade (1973). Site your source. Not that has any bearing on this conversation. -- -Graham Remove the snails to email ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message ... Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet?????? Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent = skip = wrote: I can't speak to global warming, but there are records of war deaths available and the numbers of people dying from war these days is small compared to past wars. 660,000 military deaths in the civil war. 4,000 deaths in one day on the land where I now live. 8,500,000 military and civilian deaths in World War I. 55,000,000 military and civilian deaths in World War II. Add to that the 5,000,000 Jews that died in the Holocaust. 2-3 million military and civilian deaths estimated in the Korean conflict. 727,000 US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam military deaths in the Vietnam conflict. So what? What is you're point? I donno - ARBR aint't dead yet??????, but a lot of people are. If someone thinks a lot of people are dying in wars today they should look to wars of the past to help put today's situation in perspective. Also keep in mind that in the US we have legally aborted over 46,000,000 babies since Roe v. Wade (1973). Site your source. Not that has any bearing on this conversation. source is Google - Abortion statistics bunch of web sites with statistics on abortions - easily found. Here's a link if you prefer to only look at only one site: http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html If you think a lot of people are dying in war today keep in mind that we are legally aborting over a million babies a year in the US. This would be another matter of death perspective..i.e. our number of war deaths last year vs. our number of babies legally aborted last year. One number is small - the other number is large. skip |
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Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent = skip = wrote: I donno - ARBR aint't dead yet??????, but a lot of people are. If someone thinks a lot of people are dying in wars today they should look to wars of the past to help put today's situation in perspective. The OP started talking about oil prices. Granted, the OP mis-titled the thread. You got off on some tangent about war deaths, somehow affecting the economy. Also keep in mind that in the US we have legally aborted over 46,000,000 babies since Roe v. Wade (1973). Site your source. Not that has any bearing on this conversation. source is Google - Abortion statistics bunch of web sites with statistics on abortions - easily found. Here's a link if you prefer to only look at only one site: http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html If you think a lot of people are dying in war today keep in mind that we are legally aborting over a million babies a year in the US. This would be another matter of death perspective..i.e. our number of war deaths last year vs. our number of babies legally aborted last year. One number is small - the other number is large. Skip---- I have no reason to dispute your statistics. But Why do you think this thread should go that way? Typical Liberal ****! --- Graham The Great! -- -Graham Remove the snails to email ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message ... Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet?????? Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent = skip = wrote: I can't speak to global warming, but there are records of war deaths available and the numbers of people dying from war these days is small compared to past wars. 660,000 military deaths in the civil war. 4,000 deaths in one day on the land where I now live. 8,500,000 military and civilian deaths in World War I. 55,000,000 military and civilian deaths in World War II. Add to that the 5,000,000 Jews that died in the Holocaust. 2-3 million military and civilian deaths estimated in the Korean conflict. 727,000 US, North Vietnam, South Vietnam military deaths in the Vietnam conflict. So what? What is you're point? Well for one thing none of those wars were about oil |
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message ... Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet?????? Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent = skip = wrote: I donno - ARBR aint't dead yet??????, but a lot of people are. If someone thinks a lot of people are dying in wars today they should look to wars of the past to help put today's situation in perspective. The OP started talking about oil prices. Granted, the OP mis-titled the thread. You got off on some tangent about war deaths, somehow affecting the economy. Did you bother to pay attention at all? The OP mentioned how many deaths due to war oil has caused |
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