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"Buck" wrote in message
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On 01/17/2007 18:38:24 "32GO" wrote:

Hey again folks -

[MAJOR SNIP]

OK let's give it a go before we make a new one.

Buck

I would listen to Wayne if I were you. He is an idiot the same as you are
but he reveals some level of sophistication about newgroups. Unfortunately,
he has no solution to the SPAMMING TROLL (Ed Gin) other than to never
mention him. It is this kind of cowardice which destroys newsgroups, not
off-topic and contentious posts.

Other newsgroups are more resilient than ARBR. They make short work of
SPAMMING TROLLS because they stick together and castigate the offender. That
is something that ARBR has never been able to do. And so we are brought to
the present sorry state of affairs.

I do not believe there are more than a dozen regular posters to this group.
I suspect there are not many who are following the group as readers either.
I am not opposed to a moderated ARBR, but I do not see how it would be any
different than BROL. It would be strictly for dullards like you - and Wayne
and Curtis. An Ed Dolan, despite his Greatness, need not apply. Even poor
Jim would get booted out after a very brief interval.

Do we really want to discuss anything much with the likes of Old Cletus Lee
of Houston, Texas or Curtis Russell of Odenton, Maryland? In other words,
are you sure you want to die and go to Hell just yet? If you do, why not go
to BROL instead. It has the main attribute of Hell - terminal boredom!

Nay, better to give ARBR as it is another chance rather than make another
BROL.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Hey guys -

This message is a reminder that we are still trying a
groupwide coordinated effort to get ARBR's TR0LL out of
our faces. I really believe - as do most of you other
readers and/or posters, I think - that we may be able to
make this succeed. If we can all work together - but ONLY
IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER! - we can reduce the TR0LL's
impact on this forum to noise level. It really does take
only three simple steps:

1. SET UP YOUR COMPUTER SO THAT YOU NEVER EVEN SEE
THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

If you use classical newsreader software to monitor
ARBR, set up killfiles and/or filters so that its
direct posts and references to it don't come through.
If you need help, ask for it in this thread, via direct
email to one of the other posters (not me!) who seems
to know how to implement this kind of TR0LL traps.

If you prefer a web-based gateway, use Cycling Forums
rather than Google Groups:

http://www.cyclingforums.com/f167-al...recumbent.html

This website blocks messages from the TR0LL. Even if you
use the Google gateway, and either can't or won't set up
killfile/filters, please use your own (presumably adult)
discretion to filter out and/or ignore its content.

2. DON'T REPLY TO THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

If all of us non-TR0LLS who post to the group complied
with Step One, Step Two would be unnecessary. But of
course everyone won't, and as a result, the TR0LL is
able to intrude through a sort of back door, even to the
folks who did follow Step One.

PLEASE NOTE: When you reply to one of the TR0LL's posts,
you become a kind of codependent. YOU are giving it the
only access it can get to everyone who did set up Step
One, and who would, without your post, never know it's
still in the world. This plan only works if almost
everyone who uses this group can maintain some level of
reasonable self-restraint. When anybody responds to the
TR0LL, that person essentially, if unwittingly, becomes
its lacky!

Don't reply to any thread started by the TR0LL. Don't
respond to any of its posts to any other thread, on or
off topic, even if it seems to be relevant. Please ignore
its attacks, taunts, questions, challenges and its
(usually insincere, often preposterous) opinions even if
they seem to be on topic. Don't EVER reply or respond to
the TR0LL via the newsgroup - PERIOD!

Even if you can't refrain from replying to the TR0LL,
please do it off-group via email if you can stand it.
This may be a sort of a valid crosscheck: if it's not
worth a private email, it's probably not worth posting
to the group either. Most of the folks here have read
all they ever want to read about the TR0LL, pro or con.

If you absolutely have to reply to it via the group,
please put your reply in the 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL! -
Off Topic' thread. Quote only the absolute minimum of
its content (cut and paste), and never assign it using
the TR0LL's real name.

Guys, I know - as well as anyone here, I suspect - that
it's not easy, but the bottom line to this is simple:
WE ALL JUST HAVE TO IGNORE THE DAMNED TR0LL!

3. POST AS MUCH ON-TOPIC CONTENT AS YOU CAN HERE!

More suggested guidelines are in my original post on
this thread. I apologize to you folks for being so
long-winded, and I won't repeat them here.

One way that we can optimize the appeal of this forum
is to put back the real, interesting discussion about
recumbents that is the only reason for its existence.
BROL has clearly become the primary forum for 'bents
now, and I doubt that anything we do here will change
that, but I really believe there is still a place for
this kind of open, non-commercial forum. If we can sort
of kickstart it, ARBR may become a much more attractive
place for a lot of other 'bent enthusiasts to visit and
to stop in for a chat.

Regards,
Wayne

Wayne,

I understand where you are going with this. Personally I do not block him.
When I want to respond to him I am moving my response to a thread that is
already labeled as off-topic. That way, he can respond in an off topic
thread which shouldn't bother anybody. If he goes out of his way to move an
off topic conversation back to an "on topic" thread then I'll keep moving it
back to an off topic thread.

This seems to be working well. Since he always wants to reply, he replies in
the off-topic thread, which is fine.

Meanwhile, I agree that people should keep starting new on-topic threads and
replying to existing ones.

I don't think we can eliminate him but we should be able to contain him.
Hopefully this will placate his antagonists as well.

Jeff
"32GO" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey guys -

This message is a reminder that we are still trying a
groupwide coordinated effort to get ARBR's TR0LL out of
our faces. I really believe - as do most of you other
readers and/or posters, I think - that we may be able to
make this succeed. If we can all work together - but ONLY
IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER! - we can reduce the TR0LL's
impact on this forum to noise level. It really does take
only three simple steps:

1. SET UP YOUR COMPUTER SO THAT YOU NEVER EVEN SEE
THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

If you use classical newsreader software to monitor
ARBR, set up killfiles and/or filters so that its
direct posts and references to it don't come through.
If you need help, ask for it in this thread, via direct
email to one of the other posters (not me!) who seems
to know how to implement this kind of TR0LL traps.

If you prefer a web-based gateway, use Cycling Forums
rather than Google Groups:

http://www.cyclingforums.com/f167-al...recumbent.html

This website blocks messages from the TR0LL. Even if you
use the Google gateway, and either can't or won't set up
killfile/filters, please use your own (presumably adult)
discretion to filter out and/or ignore its content.

2. DON'T REPLY TO THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

If all of us non-TR0LLS who post to the group complied
with Step One, Step Two would be unnecessary. But of
course everyone won't, and as a result, the TR0LL is
able to intrude through a sort of back door, even to the
folks who did follow Step One.

PLEASE NOTE: When you reply to one of the TR0LL's posts,
you become a kind of codependent. YOU are giving it the
only access it can get to everyone who did set up Step
One, and who would, without your post, never know it's
still in the world. This plan only works if almost
everyone who uses this group can maintain some level of
reasonable self-restraint. When anybody responds to the
TR0LL, that person essentially, if unwittingly, becomes
its lacky!

Don't reply to any thread started by the TR0LL. Don't
respond to any of its posts to any other thread, on or
off topic, even if it seems to be relevant. Please ignore
its attacks, taunts, questions, challenges and its
(usually insincere, often preposterous) opinions even if
they seem to be on topic. Don't EVER reply or respond to
the TR0LL via the newsgroup - PERIOD!

Even if you can't refrain from replying to the TR0LL,
please do it off-group via email if you can stand it.
This may be a sort of a valid crosscheck: if it's not
worth a private email, it's probably not worth posting
to the group either. Most of the folks here have read
all they ever want to read about the TR0LL, pro or con.

If you absolutely have to reply to it via the group,
please put your reply in the 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL! -
Off Topic' thread. Quote only the absolute minimum of
its content (cut and paste), and never assign it using
the TR0LL's real name.

Guys, I know - as well as anyone here, I suspect - that
it's not easy, but the bottom line to this is simple:
WE ALL JUST HAVE TO IGNORE THE DAMNED TR0LL!

3. POST AS MUCH ON-TOPIC CONTENT AS YOU CAN HERE!

More suggested guidelines are in my original post on
this thread. I apologize to you folks for being so
long-winded, and I won't repeat them here.

One way that we can optimize the appeal of this forum
is to put back the real, interesting discussion about
recumbents that is the only reason for its existence.
BROL has clearly become the primary forum for 'bents
now, and I doubt that anything we do here will change
that, but I really believe there is still a place for
this kind of open, non-commercial forum. If we can sort
of kickstart it, ARBR may become a much more attractive
place for a lot of other 'bent enthusiasts to visit and
to stop in for a chat.

Regards,
Wayne

On 2007-01-24 17:36:20 +0000, "32GO" said:

Hey guys -

This message is a reminder that we are still trying etc......

I agree with what Wayne is saying, I have kill filed the troll and will not
see any of its posts unless one of you engages it in conversation.

Jeff, I know you mean well but the troll does not, please kill file it.


--
Three wheels good, two wheels ok

www.catrike.co.uk

Buck wrote:

Jeff, I know you mean well but the troll does not, please kill file it.

Or just respond directly through email rather than give him more
excuses to waste badwidth on arbr if you find killfiling something
you prefer not to do.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

"32GO" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey guys -

This message is a reminder that we are still trying a
groupwide coordinated effort to get ARBR's TR0LL out of
our faces. I really believe - as do most of you other
readers and/or posters, I think - that we may be able to
make this succeed. If we can all work together - but ONLY
IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER! - we can reduce the TR0LL's
impact on this forum to noise level. It really does take
only three simple steps:

1. SET UP YOUR COMPUTER SO THAT YOU NEVER EVEN SEE
THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

ARBR has always had its share of ostriches. However, this is never a good
way to go because before you know it I will be kicking your sorry asses and
you won't even know of it. But of course, everyone else will know of it. How
smart is that?

If you use classical newsreader software to monitor
ARBR, set up killfiles and/or filters so that its
direct posts and references to it don't come through.
If you need help, ask for it in this thread, via direct
email to one of the other posters (not me!) who seems
to know how to implement this kind of TR0LL traps.

If you prefer a web-based gateway, use Cycling Forums
rather than Google Groups:

http://www.cyclingforums.com/f167-al...recumbent.html

This website blocks messages from the TR0LL. Even if you
use the Google gateway, and either can't or won't set up
killfile/filters, please use your own (presumably adult)
discretion to filter out and/or ignore its content.

ARBR has always had its share of ostriches. However, this is never a good
way to go because before you know it I will be kicking your sorry asses and
you won't even know of it. But of course, everyone else will know of it. How
smart is that?

2. DON'T REPLY TO THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

If all of us non-TR0LLS who post to the group complied
with Step One, Step Two would be unnecessary. But of
course everyone won't, and as a result, the TR0LL is
able to intrude through a sort of back door, even to the
folks who did follow Step One.

PLEASE NOTE: When you reply to one of the TR0LL's posts,
you become a kind of codependent. YOU are giving it the
only access it can get to everyone who did set up Step
One, and who would, without your post, never know it's
still in the world. This plan only works if almost
everyone who uses this group can maintain some level of
reasonable self-restraint. When anybody responds to the
TR0LL, that person essentially, if unwittingly, becomes
its lacky!

Don't reply to any thread started by the TR0LL. Don't
respond to any of its posts to any other thread, on or
off topic, even if it seems to be relevant. Please ignore
its attacks, taunts, questions, challenges and its
(usually insincere, often preposterous) opinions even if
they seem to be on topic. Don't EVER reply or respond to
the TR0LL via the newsgroup - PERIOD!

Well, yes, this second way is the ONLY way to go of course, but it is very
difficult not to respond to someone so Great as Myself. Let's face it, I
have the knack of kicking others squarely in the ass where it hurts. I
proved that over and over again with Wayne Leggett, the Poet of **** and
**** and Ass and ****.

Even if you can't refrain from replying to the TR0LL,
please do it off-group via email if you can stand it.
This may be a sort of a valid crosscheck: if it's not
worth a private email, it's probably not worth posting
to the group either. Most of the folks here have read
all they ever want to read about the TR0LL, pro or con.

Those who email from the newsgroup will never even get read (unless you are
praising me to high heaven for being the genius that I am). What I do on
the group is one thing, what I do on email is something else entirely.

If you absolutely have to reply to it via the group,
please put your reply in the 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL! -
Off Topic' thread. Quote only the absolute minimum of
its content (cut and paste), and never assign it using
the TR0LL's real name.

The above will only work provided I cooperate. I too know how to move
threads and posts around at will. However, I will cooperate for the time
being, but not because of anything Wayne is up to. He would like to be the
moderator of this group, and it will be interesting to see how many of you
will let him do this. I think he only has a couple of other assholes who are
in full agreement with him. They are the ever despicable English of course,
a race of assholes.

Wayne knows that I, not him, am the ultimate housekeeper for this group.
However, I am going to let this thing of his run its course and see how it
plays out. I did get rid of all the liberals and many other assorted
assholes, but then it turned out there was hardly anyone left. I think
recumbent cyclists are for the most part crazy *******s to begin with, at
least those that post to ARBR, but I would be delighted to be proved wrong.
We shall see what we shall see.

Guys, I know - as well as anyone here, I suspect - that
it's not easy, but the bottom line to this is simple:
WE ALL JUST HAVE TO IGNORE THE DAMNED TR0LL!

3. POST AS MUCH ON-TOPIC CONTENT AS YOU CAN HERE!

More suggested guidelines are in my original post on
this thread. I apologize to you folks for being so
long-winded, and I won't repeat them here.

One way that we can optimize the appeal of this forum
is to put back the real, interesting discussion about
recumbents that is the only reason for its existence.
BROL has clearly become the primary forum for 'bents
now, and I doubt that anything we do here will change
that, but I really believe there is still a place for
this kind of open, non-commercial forum. If we can sort
of kickstart it, ARBR may become a much more attractive
place for a lot of other 'bent enthusiasts to visit and
to stop in for a chat.

I think I have cured Wayne Leggett, the Poet of **** and **** and Ass and
****, from ever posting his verse here again. Let us hope so! Now if Jim
McNamara would be man enough to stop stalking the Great Ed Dolan like a
female bitch in heat and if Ed Gin would put a bullet though what passes for
his brain, then we might get somewhere on this group.

By the way, Tom Sherman need never return to this group. Does not everyone
hate a coward?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Jeff Grippe" wrote in message
...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Wayne,

I understand where you are going with this. Personally I do not block him.
When I want to respond to him I am moving my response to a thread that is
already labeled as off-topic. That way, he can respond in an off topic
thread which shouldn't bother anybody. If he goes out of his way to move
an off topic conversation back to an "on topic" thread then I'll keep
moving it back to an off topic thread.

Nope, I will not stand for anyone playing around with my posts, most
particularly, not you. I know what is off-topic and what is on-topic and I
do not need a slob like you trying tell me the difference. Remember, I
consider housekeeping chores to be on-topic. I can get really nasty if
others play around with my posts. I do not think you want to play games with
me. Look what I did to Wayne Leggett!

This seems to be working well. Since he always wants to reply, he replies
in the off-topic thread, which is fine.

Again, I have permit it thus far, but no further. Do not move a post of
mine out of a thread that it has been posted to no matter what it says. You
have been warned!

You and Wayne Leggett are not yet the moderators for this group. Neither of
you have the brains for that. You move my posts around willy-nilly at your
peril!

Ed Gin, the SPAMMING TROLL, has shown all of us what it is possible to do to
really mess up an unmoderated newsgroup like ARBR. I don't think any of you
want me pulling an Ed Gin unless you are suicidal.

Meanwhile, I agree that people should keep starting new on-topic threads
and replying to existing ones.

I don't think we can eliminate him but we should be able to contain him.
Hopefully this will placate his antagonists as well.

You will not "contain" me by trickery. Do it fair and square and all will be
well, Do it crookedly and you will regret it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota




"32GO" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey guys -

This message is a reminder that we are still trying a
groupwide coordinated effort to get ARBR's TR0LL out of
our faces. I really believe - as do most of you other
readers and/or posters, I think - that we may be able to
make this succeed. If we can all work together - but ONLY
IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER! - we can reduce the TR0LL's
impact on this forum to noise level. It really does take
only three simple steps:

1. SET UP YOUR COMPUTER SO THAT YOU NEVER EVEN SEE
THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

If you use classical newsreader software to monitor
ARBR, set up killfiles and/or filters so that its
direct posts and references to it don't come through.
If you need help, ask for it in this thread, via direct
email to one of the other posters (not me!) who seems
to know how to implement this kind of TR0LL traps.

If you prefer a web-based gateway, use Cycling Forums
rather than Google Groups:

http://www.cyclingforums.com/f167-al...recumbent.html

This website blocks messages from the TR0LL. Even if you
use the Google gateway, and either can't or won't set up
killfile/filters, please use your own (presumably adult)
discretion to filter out and/or ignore its content.

2. DON'T REPLY TO THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

If all of us non-TR0LLS who post to the group complied
with Step One, Step Two would be unnecessary. But of
course everyone won't, and as a result, the TR0LL is
able to intrude through a sort of back door, even to the
folks who did follow Step One.

PLEASE NOTE: When you reply to one of the TR0LL's posts,
you become a kind of codependent. YOU are giving it the
only access it can get to everyone who did set up Step
One, and who would, without your post, never know it's
still in the world. This plan only works if almost
everyone who uses this group can maintain some level of
reasonable self-restraint. When anybody responds to the
TR0LL, that person essentially, if unwittingly, becomes
its lacky!

Don't reply to any thread started by the TR0LL. Don't
respond to any of its posts to any other thread, on or
off topic, even if it seems to be relevant. Please ignore
its attacks, taunts, questions, challenges and its
(usually insincere, often preposterous) opinions even if
they seem to be on topic. Don't EVER reply or respond to
the TR0LL via the newsgroup - PERIOD!

Even if you can't refrain from replying to the TR0LL,
please do it off-group via email if you can stand it.
This may be a sort of a valid crosscheck: if it's not
worth a private email, it's probably not worth posting
to the group either. Most of the folks here have read
all they ever want to read about the TR0LL, pro or con.

If you absolutely have to reply to it via the group,
please put your reply in the 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL! -
Off Topic' thread. Quote only the absolute minimum of
its content (cut and paste), and never assign it using
the TR0LL's real name.

Guys, I know - as well as anyone here, I suspect - that
it's not easy, but the bottom line to this is simple:
WE ALL JUST HAVE TO IGNORE THE DAMNED TR0LL!

3. POST AS MUCH ON-TOPIC CONTENT AS YOU CAN HERE!

More suggested guidelines are in my original post on
this thread. I apologize to you folks for being so
long-winded, and I won't repeat them here.

One way that we can optimize the appeal of this forum
is to put back the real, interesting discussion about
recumbents that is the only reason for its existence.
BROL has clearly become the primary forum for 'bents
now, and I doubt that anything we do here will change
that, but I really believe there is still a place for
this kind of open, non-commercial forum. If we can sort
of kickstart it, ARBR may become a much more attractive
place for a lot of other 'bent enthusiasts to visit and
to stop in for a chat.

Regards,
Wayne

"Buck" wrote in message
news:2007012418505516807-SPAMTRAPian@trikesandstuffDOTcoDOTuk...
On 2007-01-24 17:36:20 +0000, "32GO" said:

Hey guys -

This message is a reminder that we are still trying etc......

I agree with what Wayne is saying, I have kill filed the troll and will
not
see any of its posts unless one of you engages it in conversation.

Jeff, I know you mean well but the troll does not, please kill file it.

Buck of the UK wants to be your moderator along with Wayne Leggett and Jeff
Grippe. Jeez, I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure would not want
these cretins to have anything to say about what others can or cannot do.
From what I have been able to observe, they can hardly run their own lives,
let alone anyone else's.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Peter Clinch" wrote in message
...
Buck wrote:

Jeff, I know you mean well but the troll does not, please kill file it.

Or just respond directly through email rather than give him more excuses
to waste badwidth on arbr if you find killfiling something you prefer not
to do.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Whoops! I forgot about this other idiot from the UK. He wants to be your
moderator too. But he is a Medical Physics IT Officer (whatever the hell
that is) at Ninewells Hospital, so that automatically disqualifies him in my
book. Let's face it, his ****ing signature is longer than his ****ing
messages.

Besides, whoever heard of anyone from Scotland having any brains. They can't
even speak English properly.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"32GO" wrote in message
ups.com...
[...]
If you absolutely have to reply to it via the group,
please put your reply in the 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL! -
Off Topic' thread. Quote only the absolute minimum of
its content (cut and paste), and never assign it using
the TR0LL's real name.

Anyone who does the above will incur my wrath and will suffer the
consequences. If you wish to reply to a message of mine, you had better post
it in the proper thread to which it belongs - or else.

Wayne Leggett is one of the biggest assholes this newgroup has ever been
afflicted with. He would like to be your moderator even though he advises
that you break all the rules of netiquette. This group would not last a
single month with a moderator like Wayne. All he really wants to do is to
post his verse reeking of **** and **** and Ass and ****. We need him like
we need another hole in our heads.

But poor slobs like Jeff Grippe are taken in by such scoundrels as Wayne
Leggett. It is a good thing indeed that the Great Ed Dolan is here to keep
all of you on the straight and narrow. I have rid this group of Wayne's
execrable verse just as I have of Jeff's lust for women not his wife. The
latter deed was done mainly through the ministrations of Saint Edward the
Great. If Wayne is not careful, I may sic Saint Edward the Great on him too.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota