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Yet another car smashed into a house.
On Jun 4, 9:23*am, "Norman Wells" wrote:
Doug wrote: On Jun 3, 12:43 pm, Tom Crispin wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:26:04 +0100, JNugent wrote: Do you remember what you wrote? Or why you wrote it? I wrote: I expect the daily number of pedestrian road deaths in Europe greatly outnumbers those killed by e-coli. Interestingly, and somewhat off-topic, conspiracy theorists are claiming that people allied to the meat industry have deliberately and wrongly attributed the e-coli to vegetables, when in fact it is due to meat. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/06/480373.html Nonsense. *It comes from ****. *And because **** is widespread, anything can be contaminated with it. Farm animals produce **** and plants do not. Organic vegetable produce is in fact a very likely carrier. *You see, **** is organic and natural, and therefore regarded by some lunatics as wholesome, pure and sustainable. *It is therefore used widely in organic production. Unlikely as farm animal **** is not organic. Evidence? They usually use composted vegetable matter. *If it's not the cause of the German outbreak, it will be the cause of some other before long. *It's absolutely inevitable. My point was that the e-coli deaths are getting a huge amount of air time and, presumably, investigation. The daily pedestrian deaths get little air time, and probably far less investigation. Back on topic, obviously the Precautionary Principle should be applied equally to road deaths as it is to any other cause of death. Shouldn't the precautionary principle also apply to all vegetables? *Surely they should all be removed from the shelves until long term studies over several years have proved that they're safe? That would involve removing ALL food from shelves until the source is determined. In this case the most likely source should be removed first and particularly animal products.. "...But the EU's Reference Laboratory for E. coli in Rome said such warnings were not justified as scientific tests "do not support the hypothesis that contaminated vegetables were the source of the infection"..." "...E. coli is a bacterium that usually inhabits the guts of cattle and sheep and is mostly harmless..." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13652817 Doug. |
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Yet more killer vegetables
Doug wrote:
On Jun 4, 9:23 am, "Norman Wells" wrote: Interestingly, and somewhat off-topic, conspiracy theorists are claiming that people allied to the meat industry have deliberately and wrongly attributed the e-coli to vegetables, when in fact it is due to meat. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/06/480373.html Nonsense. It comes from ****. And because **** is widespread, anything can be contaminated with it. Farm animals produce **** and plants do not. Well done, Doug! Can't put anything past you, can we? Organic vegetable produce is in fact a very likely carrier. You see, **** is organic and natural, and therefore regarded by some lunatics as wholesome, pure and sustainable. It is therefore used widely in organic production. Unlikely as farm animal **** is not organic. Evidence? They usually use composted vegetable matter. And ****. Human as well as animal. Presumably only from certified organic Vegans, but who can tell? If it's not the cause of the German outbreak, it will be the cause of some other before long. It's absolutely inevitable. My point was that the e-coli deaths are getting a huge amount of air time and, presumably, investigation. The daily pedestrian deaths get little air time, and probably far less investigation. Back on topic, obviously the Precautionary Principle should be applied equally to road deaths as it is to any other cause of death. Shouldn't the precautionary principle also apply to all vegetables? Surely they should all be removed from the shelves until long term studies over several years have proved that they're safe? That would involve removing ALL food from shelves until the source is determined. In this case the most likely source should be removed first and particularly animal products.. No, just vegetables. They're what have been implicated. "...But the EU's Reference Laboratory for E. coli in Rome said such warnings were not justified as scientific tests "do not support the hypothesis that contaminated vegetables were the source of the infection"..." Yes. You omitted the bit before, though, which explained: "Germans are being advised not to eat raw vegetables, although _one_ European laboratory has thrown doubt on whether contaminated produce could be the source." You also rather misleadingly omitted other relevant bits from the article: "The RKI has continued to warn Germans to avoid eating cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce. "Russia - the EU's largest export market for vegetables - has rejected pleas from Brussels to drop its ban on the import of fresh vegetables. "The UK has been debating whether produce from Germany should be banned, and the US has begun inspecting shipments from Germany and Spain. "One cucumber producer in Germany's Lower Saxony region said he had destroyed around two million cucumbers and tomatoes on one day alone." It's high time these killer vegetables were removed from our pavements before they cause untold harm to vulnerable food users. We have to have a law against it. "...E. coli is a bacterium that usually inhabits the guts of cattle and sheep and is mostly harmless..." So, that's alright then. Animal products are in the clear. It's only yet more killer vegetables we need to take off the shelves. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13652817 |
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Yet another car smashed into a house.
On 04/06/2011 08:11, Doug wrote:
On Jun 3, 12:43 pm, Tom wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:26:04 +0100, wrote: Do you remember what you wrote? Or why you wrote it? I wrote: I expect the daily number of pedestrian road deaths in Europe greatly outnumbers those killed by e-coli. Interestingly, and somewhat off-topic, conspiracy theorists are claiming that people allied to the meat industry have deliberately and wrongly attributed the e-coli to vegetables, when in fact it is due to meat. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/06/480373.html My point was that the e-coli deaths are getting a huge amount of air time and, presumably, investigation. The daily pedestrian deaths get little air time, and probably far less investigation. Back on topic, obviously the Precautionary Principle should be applied equally to road deaths as it is to any other cause of death. The 'precautionary principle' is responsible for the decline of our once great nation idiot. -- Dave - Cyclings VOR "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University. |
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Yet another car smashed into a house.
On 04/06/2011 08:11, Doug wrote:
On Jun 3, 12:43 pm, Tom wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:26:04 +0100, wrote: Do you remember what you wrote? Or why you wrote it? I wrote: I expect the daily number of pedestrian road deaths in Europe greatly outnumbers those killed by e-coli. Interestingly, and somewhat off-topic, conspiracy theorists are claiming that people allied to the meat industry have deliberately and wrongly attributed the e-coli to vegetables, when in fact it is due to meat. This outbreak has a very low incidence of infecting young children. That would be unusual if it were due to infected meat, but, as they do not normally form a significant part of the diet of young children, it is consistent with the source being fresh vegetables. Colin Bignell |
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Yet another car smashed into a house.
On Jun 5, 6:22*pm, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:
This outbreak has a very low incidence of infecting young children. That would be unusual if it were due to infected meat, but, as they do not normally form a significant part of the diet of young children, it is consistent with the source being fresh vegetables. Colin Bignell German beansprouts were the culprit. I've been eating them every day on holiday. In fact, here's our dinner in Heidelberg last Wednesday. http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4587/jun013.jpg -- Simon Mason |
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Yet another car smashed into a house.
On Jun 5, 6:37*pm, Simon Mason wrote:
On Jun 5, 6:22*pm, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: This outbreak has a very low incidence of infecting young children. That would be unusual if it were due to infected meat, but, as they do not normally form a significant part of the diet of young children, it is consistent with the source being fresh vegetables. Colin Bignell German beansprouts were the culprit. I've been eating them every day on holiday. In fact, here's our dinner in Heidelberg last Wednesday. http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4587/jun013.jpg No it seems beansprouts have been exonerated. The main sources of e- coli are farm animal food and waste products. "E. coli O104:H21 was discovered in 1982, when it caused an outbreak of severe bloody diarrhea. It had infected hamburgers, and those affected had eaten these hamburgers not fully-cooked.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_O104:H21 Doug. |
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Yet another car smashed into a house.
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:37:27 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason wrote: On Jun 5, 6:22*pm, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: This outbreak has a very low incidence of infecting young children. That would be unusual if it were due to infected meat, but, as they do not normally form a significant part of the diet of young children, it is consistent with the source being fresh vegetables. Colin Bignell German beansprouts were the culprit. I've been eating them every day on holiday. In fact, here's our dinner in Heidelberg last Wednesday. http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4587/jun013.jpg Who is the fat ******* - you or the wife? -- Simple Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists. This includes exceeding the speed limit past three schools. A total disregard for the well-being of vulnerable road users. The actions of a true psycholist. |
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Yet another car smashed into a house.
On Jun 7, 5:33*am, Doug wrote:
On Jun 5, 6:37*pm, Simon Mason wrote: On Jun 5, 6:22*pm, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: This outbreak has a very low incidence of infecting young children. That would be unusual if it were due to infected meat, but, as they do not normally form a significant part of the diet of young children, it is consistent with the source being fresh vegetables. Colin Bignell German beansprouts were the culprit. I've been eating them every day on holiday. In fact, here's our dinner in Heidelberg last Wednesday. http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4587/jun013.jpg No it seems beansprouts have been exonerated. As we were then. -- Simon Mason |
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Yet another car smashed into a house.
Doug wrote:
On Jun 5, 6:37 pm, Simon Mason wrote: On Jun 5, 6:22 pm, "Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote: This outbreak has a very low incidence of infecting young children. That would be unusual if it were due to infected meat, but, as they do not normally form a significant part of the diet of young children, it is consistent with the source being fresh vegetables. Colin Bignell German beansprouts were the culprit. I've been eating them every day on holiday. In fact, here's our dinner in Heidelberg last Wednesday. http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4587/jun013.jpg No it seems beansprouts have been exonerated. The main sources of e- coli are farm animal food and waste products. "E. coli O104:H21 was discovered in 1982, when it caused an outbreak of severe bloody diarrhea. It had infected hamburgers, and those affected had eaten these hamburgers not fully-cooked.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_O104:H21 Well, jolly good for H21. Why didn't you quote the following bit that says: "An outbreak of E. coli responsible for at least 22 deaths in Northern Europe in May of 2011 was reported to be caused by _another_ O104 strain, Escherichia coli O104:H4"? There's a separate, surely more relevant Wikipedia page about that. The H4 strain of E. coli undoubtedly originated in animals, quite possibly humans. No-one denies that. But vegetables still remain the prime suspects as carriers. Do please tell us then why the Precautionary Principle, which you and your friends are so keen on promoting when it suits you, shouldn't apply here. Surely all vegetables should be immediately taken off the market throughout Europe until long term trials can show that they're completely safe? How many more deaths do vulnerable food users have to suffer as a result of doing nothing in this regard? |
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Yet another car smashed into a house.
On 07/06/2011 05:33, Doug wrote:
On Jun 5, 6:37 pm, Simon wrote: On Jun 5, 6:22 pm, "Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote: This outbreak has a very low incidence of infecting young children. That would be unusual if it were due to infected meat, but, as they do not normally form a significant part of the diet of young children, it is consistent with the source being fresh vegetables. Colin Bignell German beansprouts were the culprit. I've been eating them every day on holiday. In fact, here's our dinner in Heidelberg last Wednesday. http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4587/jun013.jpg No it seems beansprouts have been exonerated. The main sources of e- coli are farm animal food and waste products. As I pointed out, if the source were meat, it would be expected to have infected more children than it has. Any food source may be infected by contact with a human carrier who does not practice good food hygiene. "E. coli O104:H21 was discovered in 1982, when it caused an outbreak of severe bloody diarrhea. It had infected hamburgers, and those affected had eaten these hamburgers not fully-cooked.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_O104:H21 According to the World Health Organisation, bean sprouts are a specific hazard, even if this particular producer has been cleared: 'In recent years, the popularity of sprouted seeds has increased significantly owing to their nutritional value. However, reports of foodborne outbreaks associated with such raw vegetable sprouts have raised concerns among public health agencies and consumers. Outbreak investigations have indicated that pathogens found on sprouts most likely originate from the seeds. The seed may be contaminated in the field or during harvesting, storage or transportation. During the germination process in sprout production, low levels of pathogens present on seeds may quickly reach levels high enough to cause disease.' http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs125/en/ Colin Bignell |
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