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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shot at
"JNugent" wrote in message ... On 08/09/2014 20:19, TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote in message ... On 08/09/2014 15:57, TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote: TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote in message "Alamo Heights Police say the bicyclist apparently became upset that a white 4-door vehicle was parked in a bicycle lane and broke the vehicle's windshield". Just like that, eh? Well, it might be useful to know whether he actually broke the 'windshield' The report says he did. The report says that the witnesses thought he did. The police were your "witnesses". They are unlikely to have been doing anything except quoting what he told them. Read it again. "A person who witnessed the act..." ...is not the person quoted in the report. http://news4sanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/bicyclist-chased-shot-at-after-breaking-car-windshield-15172.shtml The report says (verbatim): "The chase started around 7 p.m. Friday on Rittiman Road. Alamo Heights Police say the bicyclist apparently became upset that a white 4-door vehicle was parked in a bicycle lane and broke the vehicle's windshield." Note the statement by the police. They must have had that from the cyclist who vandalised the car. There are no clues. Believe what you will that but I will continue on the basis that the witness was a bystander. Nothing about witnesses to the criminal damage as the source of the story. The police must have been given that part of the story by the criminal who caused the damage to the car. Since he will be the complainant in the matter being dealt with by the police, he ought to know. I see you are unable to suggest how it could be broken. In matters of criminal damage, I readily defer to those practiced in it. You seem to know a lot about it. I only know thar windscreens are extremely robust. More so today than in the past. I can remember that cars as late as the 1980s had windscreens which would shatter into an almost-opaque network of thousands of tuiny pieces if struck hard enough. Today, they merely chip in the same circumstances, and the chip is often repairable. What kind of antique were you driving in the 1980's? Laminated was common (certainly on cars made in foreign lands) from the late 60's (if not earlier). But that relative invulnerability relates to damage caused accidentally, typically by stones flung up by the tyres of another vehicle. With very high relative velocity. A blunt instrument will definitely cause damage to a windscreen. With very low relative velocity. You clearly have no concept of kinetic energy. Unless a credible suggestion is put forward then a report of damage caused also cannot be credible. Damage found could have been pre-existing. How can damage to a windscreen happen simply by parking the vehicle against a kerb (or "curb", seeing that it was the USA)? Eh? Where did that come from? Pre-existing could be 10 minutes or 3 years. A witness would have no clue of origin. Whether you want to believe the report or not (and it appears that you cannot bring yourself to it), the glass didn't break without assistance. It is very straightforward. When a story says that a person (ie, bicycle rider) broke something that is inherently very strong, there is a significant credibility gap. Just like that story a few weeks ago about a broken mirror. Or perhaps cyclists really are supermen. |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shotat
On 09/09/2014 17:29, TMS320 wrote:
"JNugent" wrote: TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote: TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote: TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote in message "Alamo Heights Police say the bicyclist apparently became upset that a white 4-door vehicle was parked in a bicycle lane and broke the vehicle's windshield". Just like that, eh? Well, it might be useful to know whether he actually broke the 'windshield' The report says he did. The report says that the witnesses thought he did. The police were your "witnesses". They are unlikely to have been doing anything except quoting what he told them. Read it again. "A person who witnessed the act..." ...is not the person quoted in the report. http://news4sanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/bicyclist-chased-shot-at-after-breaking-car-windshield-15172.shtml The report says (verbatim): "The chase started around 7 p.m. Friday on Rittiman Road. Alamo Heights Police say the bicyclist apparently became upset that a white 4-door vehicle was parked in a bicycle lane and broke the vehicle's windshield." Note the statement by the police. They must have had that from the cyclist who vandalised the car. There are no clues. Believe what you will that but I will continue on the basis that the witness was a bystander. Is anyone surprised that you are only prepared to continue on a basis for which there is no evidence? You cannot accept that a cyclist has done something wrong. So no change there. Nothing about witnesses to the criminal damage as the source of the story. The police must have been given that part of the story by the criminal who caused the damage to the car. Since he will be the complainant in the matter being dealt with by the police, he ought to know. I see you are unable to suggest how it could be broken. In matters of criminal damage, I readily defer to those practiced in it. You seem to know a lot about it. I only know thar windscreens are extremely robust. More so today than in the past. I can remember that cars as late as the 1980s had windscreens which would shatter into an almost-opaque network of thousands of tuiny pieces if struck hard enough. Today, they merely chip in the same circumstances, and the chip is often repairable. What kind of antique were you driving in the 1980's? Laminated was common (certainly on cars made in foreign lands) from the late 60's (if not earlier). It really doesn't matter what sort of car(s) I had in the 1980s. Maybe some of them had one sort of windcsreen and others had another sort. Certainly, I remember one of them (in an A-prefix car) shattering when hit by a small stone flung up by a vehicle wheel. But it has nothing to do with the crime committed by the Texan cyclist - does it? But that relative invulnerability relates to damage caused accidentally, typically by stones flung up by the tyres of another vehicle. With very high relative velocity. True. And? Are you *really* trying to say that a windscreen cannot be broken by a human wielding a weapon or implement? A blunt instrument will definitely cause damage to a windscreen. With very low relative velocity. You clearly have no concept of kinetic energy. You are an idiot if you think you are contributing anything useful. Unless the report is all lies (ie, unless the police are lying about what was reported to them by the cyclist - who managed to make himself a victim rather then the perp), the cyclist broke the windscreen. It's what gave rise to what happened later. Unless a credible suggestion is put forward then a report of damage caused also cannot be credible. Damage found could have been pre-existing. How can damage to a windscreen happen simply by parking the vehicle against a kerb (or "curb", seeing that it was the USA)? Eh? Where did that come from? Pre-existing could be 10 minutes or 3 years. A witness would have no clue of origin. Except by seeing the crime in commission (which is what is reported), you mean? And what about the cyclist? By the time he's changed his underwear, he's a witness to other things as well and co-operating with the police. Would the police quote evidence (of criminal damage) against the cyclist whilst he is giving them a denial of it? Whether you want to believe the report or not (and it appears that you cannot bring yourself to it), the glass didn't break without assistance. It is very straightforward. When a story says that a person (ie, bicycle rider) broke something that is inherently very strong, there is a significant credibility gap. Windscreens are not unbreakable, so your theory holds no water. Here's a video of a woman doing that which you say is impossible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HaJU-Noeo Over to you. |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shot at
"TMS320" wrote in message
... "JNugent" wrote in message More so today than in the past. I can remember that cars as late as the 1980s had windscreens which would shatter into an almost-opaque network of thousands of tiny pieces if struck hard enough. Today, they merely chip in the same circumstances, and the chip is often repairable. What kind of antique were you driving in the 1980's? Laminated was common (certainly on cars made in foreign lands) from the late 60's (if not earlier). Toughened, as opposed to laminated, windscreens were common into the 1980s in the UK. My dad's 1970s Hillman Hunters had them; my 1980 and 1985 Renault 5s had them. I can't remember whether my 1988 VW Golf did. My 1993 Golf certainly didn't, although the sunroof did - I remember going out to my car, on the flightpath from Heathrow, one morning and finding a football size hole in the sunroof, a strange chemical smell, and loads of glass pea-gravel and a damp patch on the seat: I think a ball of iced chemical toilet liquid had dropped from an aircraft :-( Toughened glass is easy to detect if you wear polarising sunglasses because you see a spotty coloured pattern (like leopard skin) over most of the windscreen. It breaks into small pebbles of glass, whereas laminated glass sometimes just chips or cracks, and if an object penetrates it, you get a large depression with glass sticking to the plastic lamination. |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shotat
On 09/09/2014 17:29, TMS320 wrote:
"JNugent" wrote in message ... On 08/09/2014 20:19, TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote in message ... On 08/09/2014 15:57, TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote: TMS320 wrote: "JNugent" wrote in message "Alamo Heights Police say the bicyclist apparently became upset that a white 4-door vehicle was parked in a bicycle lane and broke the vehicle's windshield". Just like that, eh? Well, it might be useful to know whether he actually broke the 'windshield' The report says he did. The report says that the witnesses thought he did. The police were your "witnesses". They are unlikely to have been doing anything except quoting what he told them. Read it again. "A person who witnessed the act..." ...is not the person quoted in the report. http://news4sanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/bicyclist-chased-shot-at-after-breaking-car-windshield-15172.shtml The report says (verbatim): "The chase started around 7 p.m. Friday on Rittiman Road. Alamo Heights Police say the bicyclist apparently became upset that a white 4-door vehicle was parked in a bicycle lane and broke the vehicle's windshield." Note the statement by the police. They must have had that from the cyclist who vandalised the car. There are no clues. Believe what you will that but I will continue on the basis that the witness was a bystander. Nothing about witnesses to the criminal damage as the source of the story. The police must have been given that part of the story by the criminal who caused the damage to the car. Since he will be the complainant in the matter being dealt with by the police, he ought to know. I see you are unable to suggest how it could be broken. In matters of criminal damage, I readily defer to those practiced in it. You seem to know a lot about it. I only know thar windscreens are extremely robust. More so today than in the past. I can remember that cars as late as the 1980s had windscreens which would shatter into an almost-opaque network of thousands of tuiny pieces if struck hard enough. Today, they merely chip in the same circumstances, and the chip is often repairable. What kind of antique were you driving in the 1980's? Laminated was common (certainly on cars made in foreign lands) from the late 60's (if not earlier). But that relative invulnerability relates to damage caused accidentally, typically by stones flung up by the tyres of another vehicle. With very high relative velocity. A blunt instrument will definitely cause damage to a windscreen. With very low relative velocity. You clearly have no concept of kinetic energy. Unless a credible suggestion is put forward then a report of damage caused also cannot be credible. Damage found could have been pre-existing. How can damage to a windscreen happen simply by parking the vehicle against a kerb (or "curb", seeing that it was the USA)? Eh? Where did that come from? Pre-existing could be 10 minutes or 3 years. A witness would have no clue of origin. Whether you want to believe the report or not (and it appears that you cannot bring yourself to it), the glass didn't break without assistance. It is very straightforward. When a story says that a person (ie, bicycle rider) broke something that is inherently very strong, there is a significant credibility gap. Just like that story a few weeks ago about a broken mirror. Or perhaps cyclists really are supermen. I broke a laminated screen by pressing a stick on mirror too hard. |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shot at
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
I broke a laminated screen by pressing a stick on mirror too hard. OK. How much did it break? |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shot at
"JNugent" wrote in message ... On 09/09/2014 17:29, TMS320 wrote: What kind of antique were you driving in the 1980's? Laminated was common (certainly on cars made in foreign lands) from the late 60's (if not earlier). It really doesn't matter what sort of car(s) I had in the 1980s. Maybe some of them had one sort of windcsreen and others had another sort. Certainly, I remember one of them (in an A-prefix car) shattering when hit by a small stone flung up by a vehicle wheel. As late as A-prefix? No wonder the British motor industry went belly up. But it has nothing to do with the crime committed by the Texan cyclist - does it? But that relative invulnerability relates to damage caused accidentally, typically by stones flung up by the tyres of another vehicle. With very high relative velocity. True. And? As below. "You clearly have no concept of kinetic energy." Are you *really* trying to say that a windscreen cannot be broken by a human wielding a weapon or implement? As ever, you run off imagining that one thing said implies another thing. A blunt instrument will definitely cause damage to a windscreen. With very low relative velocity. You clearly have no concept of kinetic energy. You are an idiot if you think you are contributing anything useful. Unless the report is all lies (ie, unless the police are lying about what was reported to them by the cyclist - who managed to make himself a victim rather then the perp), the cyclist broke the windscreen. It's what gave rise to what happened later. Whatever you try to believe the report still does not tell us how the police got their information. And obviously, journalists always provide accurate reports. Windscreens are not unbreakable, so your theory holds no water. Just like everything else in this universe, they have a limit. The matter in hand is about how a person carrying routine cycle accessories is able to exceed this particular limit. Here's a video of a woman doing that which you say is impossible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HaJU-Noeo Over to you. If you think he went out tooled up why didn't you say so earlier? |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shotat
On 09/09/2014 23:53, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message I broke a laminated screen by pressing a stick on mirror too hard. OK. How much did it break? A crack that went downwards. |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shot at
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
... On 09/09/2014 23:53, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message I broke a laminated screen by pressing a stick on mirror too hard. OK. How much did it break? A crack that went downwards. You were unlucky. I remember our cross-country run at school went past a car breakers yard and, being young lads, we'd sometimes thrown stones at the car windscreens. One day there was a scrap car parked outside the gates, right next to us, and there was a big boulder nearby... We were rather disappointed that a boulder weighing several pounds, when lobbed at the windscreen, just bounced off. |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shot at
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message ... On 09/09/2014 23:53, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message I broke a laminated screen by pressing a stick on mirror too hard. OK. How much did it break? A crack that went downwards. I once had a very deep stonechip (in a laminated windscreen on a 1975 car, incidentally) and gently pressing it caused a crack to spread. That is the nature of cracks. But it required a lot of energy from a sharp edged object to originate it. |
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OT USA. Cyclist breaks empty, parked, car window and gets shotat
On 10/09/2014 20:24, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message ... On 09/09/2014 23:53, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message I broke a laminated screen by pressing a stick on mirror too hard. OK. How much did it break? A crack that went downwards. I once had a very deep stonechip (in a laminated windscreen on a 1975 car, incidentally) and gently pressing it caused a crack to spread. That is the nature of cracks. But it required a lot of energy from a sharp edged object to originate it. There may have been pre-existing damage, I could not tell, I just pressed hard on the mirror/pad and the screen split, happily the mot man agreed to ignore it and the car was scrapped before the next mot. |
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