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LETTER - Southampton's transport plan will benefit everyone
On 29/06/2020 07:47, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/06/2020 15:29, JNugent wrote: On 28/06/2020 11:34, TMS320 wrote: On 26/06/2020 10:57, JNugent wrote: On 25/06/2020 14:05, Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: And at around 12mph I have time to brake for pedestrians that seem to just ignore you on those left hand turns ENDQUOTE A clear indication that the writer does not know the law concerning turning traffic and pedestrians... ...but knows the overriding directive not to run them over. Frightening pedestrians by riding straight at them or remonstrating with them when they have the right of way (but the cyclist at best appears not to know that) is unacceptable. I'm sure you will agree. At least, I hope you will. You're right. It is not acceptable to frighten pedestrians by driving one and a half tonnes or more at them. It's not a law. #170 Take extra care at junctions. You should ... give way. It's not difficult to notice most drivers don't have a clue. Even if that were true (it isn't), it wouild not be relevant. Don't be stupid. The "big boys do it" defence is not valid. Then you admit the big boys do it. Then big boys shouldn't point their finger. Which part of "even if it were true" were you unable to understand? A few months ago, I was behind another cyclist that I knew and we were about to turn left. There was a pedestrian on the pavement and he (the cyclist) slowed to let the pedestrian pass. I thought to myself "well done, someone that understands the rules". Moments later he spoke to me saying that he slowed down because the pedestrian didn't seem to be paying attention. I told him that he was supposed to give way when turning. He genuinely thought he had been the hero. Thanks for reinforcing my point. You didn't make a point. I had already made it. The original (cyclist) writer quoted by Simon plainly did not know that he is obliged, when turning from one street into another, to give way to pedestrians already dcrossing the street into which he is turning. QUOTE: And at around 12mph I have time to brake for pedestrians that seem to just ignore you on those left hand turns ENDQUOTE As I said at the beginning: "A clear indication that the writer does not know the law concerning turning traffic and pedestrians...". But he is a cyclist. As we are all aware, those parts of the Highway Code and the Road Traffic Acts that cyclists actually do know they just ignore anyway. |
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LETTER - Southampton's transport plan will benefit everyone
On 29/06/2020 12:55, JNugent wrote:
On 29/06/2020 07:47, TMS320 wrote: On 28/06/2020 15:29, JNugent wrote: On 28/06/2020 11:34, TMS320 wrote: On 26/06/2020 10:57, JNugent wrote: On 25/06/2020 14:05, Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: And at around 12mph I have time to brake for pedestrians that seem to just ignore you on those left hand turns ENDQUOTE A clear indication that the writer does not know the law concerning turning traffic and pedestrians... ...but knows the overriding directive not to run them over. Frightening pedestrians by riding straight at them or remonstrating with them when they have the right of way (but the cyclist at best appears not to know that) is unacceptable. I'm sure you will agree. At least, I hope you will. You're right. It is not acceptable to frighten pedestrians by driving one and a half tonnes or more at them. It's not a law. #170 Take extra care at junctions. You should ... give way. It's not difficult to notice most drivers don't have a clue. Even if that were true (it isn't), it wouild not be relevant. Don't be stupid. The "big boys do it" defence is not valid. Then you admit the big boys do it. Then big boys shouldn't point their finger. Which part of "even if it were true" were you unable to understand? It is true. A few months ago, I was behind another cyclist that I knew and we were about to turn left. There was a pedestrian on the pavement and he (the cyclist) slowed to let the pedestrian pass. I thought to myself "well done, someone that understands the rules". Moments later he spoke to me saying that he slowed down because the pedestrian didn't seem to be paying attention. I told him that he was supposed to give way when turning. He genuinely thought he had been the hero. Thanks for reinforcing my point. You didn't make a point. I had already made it. The original (cyclist) writer quoted by Simon plainly did not know that he is obliged, when turning from one street into another, to give way to pedestrians already dcrossing the street into which he is turning. QUOTE: And at around 12mph I have time to brake for pedestrians that seem to just ignore you on those left hand turns ENDQUOTE As I said at the beginning: "A clear indication that the writer does not know the law concerning turning traffic and pedestrians...". That doesn't make him any worse than driver. And considerably less dangerous. But he is a cyclist. As we are all aware, those parts of the Highway Code and the Road Traffic Acts that cyclists actually do know they just ignore anyway. We are not aware. |
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LETTER - Southampton's transport plan will benefit everyone
On 29/06/2020 23:08, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/06/2020 12:55, JNugent wrote: On 29/06/2020 07:47, TMS320 wrote: On 28/06/2020 15:29, JNugent wrote: On 28/06/2020 11:34, TMS320 wrote: On 26/06/2020 10:57, JNugent wrote: On 25/06/2020 14:05, Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: And at around 12mph I have time to brake for pedestrians that seem to just ignore you on those left hand turns ENDQUOTE A clear indication that the writer does not know the law concerning turning traffic and pedestrians... ...but knows the overriding directive not to run them over. Frightening pedestrians by riding straight at them or remonstrating with them when they have the right of way (but the cyclist at best appears not to know that) is unacceptable. I'm sure you will agree. At least, I hope you will. You're right. It is not acceptable to frighten pedestrians by driving one and a half tonnes or more at them. It's not a law. #170 Take extra care at junctions. You should ... give way. It's not difficult to notice most drivers don't have a clue. Even if that were true (it isn't), it wouild not be relevant. Don't be stupid. The "big boys do it" defence is not valid. Then you admit the big boys do it. Then big boys shouldn't point their finger. Which part of "even if it were true" were you unable to understand? It is true. Of course it isn't. It's just another one of those little fabrications you "think" is clever to trot out. But even if it were true (it isn't), it would not be relevant. The "big boys [also] do it" defence is not valid. A few months ago, I was behind another cyclist that I knew and we were about to turn left. There was a pedestrian on the pavement and he (the cyclist) slowed to let the pedestrian pass. I thought to myself "well done, someone that understands the rules". Moments later he spoke to me saying that he slowed down because the pedestrian didn't seem to be paying attention. I told him that he was supposed to give way when turning. He genuinely thought he had been the hero. Thanks for reinforcing my point. You didn't make a point. I had already made it. The original (cyclist) writer quoted by Simon plainly did not know that he is obliged, when turning from one street into another, to give way to pedestrians already dcrossing the street into which he is turning. QUOTE: And at around 12mph I have time to brake for pedestrians that seem to just ignore you on those left hand turns ENDQUOTE As I said at the beginning: "A clear indication that the writer does not know the law concerning turning traffic and pedestrians...". That doesn't make him any worse than driver. And considerably less dangerous. Now THAT is nonsense. He clearly doesn't even *know* that he is obliged to accord precedence to pedestrians crossing a street into which he wishes to turn and he castigates the pedestrians for something which is HIS fault. He's a born cyclist, eh? Perfect example of the breed. But he is a cyclist. As we are all aware, those parts of the Highway Code and the Road Traffic Acts that cyclists actually do know they just ignore anyway. We are not aware. I might be prepared to believe that. After all, he wasn't aware of his own obligations under the law, was he? Why should anyone imagine that you are any better-informed than he? |
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LETTER - Southampton's transport plan will benefit everyone
On 03/07/2020 02:08, JNugent wrote:
On 29/06/2020 23:08, TMS320 wrote: On 29/06/2020 12:55, JNugent wrote: On 29/06/2020 07:47, TMS320 wrote: On 28/06/2020 15:29, JNugent wrote: On 28/06/2020 11:34, TMS320 wrote: It's not difficult to notice most drivers don't have a clue. Even if that were true (it isn't), it wouild not be relevant. Don't be stupid. The "big boys do it" defence is not valid. Then you admit the big boys do it. Then big boys shouldn't point their finger. Which part of "even if it were true" were you unable to understand? It is true. Of course it isn't. It's just another one of those little fabrications you "think" is clever to trot out. You have variously claimed to be a "pedestrian". You are lying. But even if it were true (it isn't), it would not be relevant. The "big boys [also] do it" defence is not valid. You also can't read. |
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LETTER - Southampton's transport plan will benefit everyone
On 03/07/2020 09:26, TMS320 wrote:
On 03/07/2020 02:08, JNugent wrote: On 29/06/2020 23:08, TMS320 wrote: On 29/06/2020 12:55, JNugent wrote: On 29/06/2020 07:47, TMS320 wrote: On 28/06/2020 15:29, JNugent wrote: On 28/06/2020 11:34, TMS320 wrote: It's not difficult to notice most drivers don't have a clue. Even if that were true (it isn't), it wouild not be relevant. Don't be stupid. The "big boys do it" defence is not valid. Then you admit the big boys do it. Then big boys shouldn't point their finger. Which part of "even if it were true" were you unable to understand? It is true. Of course it isn't. It's just another one of those little fabrications you "think" is clever to trot out. You have variously claimed to be a "pedestrian". You are lying. How stupid can *you* possibly be? You are excelling yourself with that one. Every single one of us - except for those cyclists incapable of using footways without riding a bike along them - is a pedestrian, first and foremost. Travel by vehicle is something everyone but the most hard-working of professional drivers does for a small minority of their time. I haven't driven a vehicle for three days (as I write). And that was a ten minute journey each way. But even if it were true (it isn't), it would not be relevant. The "big boys [also] do it" defence is not valid. You also can't read. You really are proving yourself to be an idiot. Why don't you *calm* *down* and try to post while exercising a little common sense? I know you find it difficult, but you'll never succeed unless and until you *try*. |
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LETTER - Southampton's transport plan will benefit everyone
On 03/07/2020 16:03, JNugent wrote:
On 03/07/2020 09:26, TMS320 wrote: On 03/07/2020 02:08, JNugent wrote: On 29/06/2020 23:08, TMS320 wrote: On 29/06/2020 12:55, JNugent wrote: On 29/06/2020 07:47, TMS320 wrote: On 28/06/2020 15:29, JNugent wrote: On 28/06/2020 11:34, TMS320 wrote: It's not difficult to notice most drivers don't have a clue. Even if that were true (it isn't), it wouild not be relevant. Don't be stupid. The "big boys do it" defence is not valid. Then you admit the big boys do it. Then big boys shouldn't point their finger. Which part of "even if it were true" were you unable to understand? It is true. Of course it isn't. It's just another one of those little fabrications you "think" is clever to trot out. You have variously claimed to be a "pedestrian". You are lying. How stupid can *you* possibly be? You are excelling yourself with that one. Every single one of us - except for those cyclists incapable of using footways without riding a bike along them - is a pedestrian, first and foremost. Travel by vehicle is something everyone but the most hard-working of professional drivers does for a small minority of their time. This is a rather silly way to go about convincing anybody about your habits. On Top Gear several years ago, I recall someone mentioning that most people never go more than something like 200 yards from their vehicle. I believe Jeremy Clarkson expressed surprise that it was even as far as that. I haven't driven a vehicle for three days (as I write). And that was a ten minute journey each way. ....which tells us nothing about how far you walk. But even if it were true (it isn't), it would not be relevant. The "big boys [also] do it" defence is not valid. You also can't read. You really are proving yourself to be an idiot. I gave my answer. Repeating your statement changes nothing. Why don't you *calm* *down* and try to post while exercising a little common sense? I know you find it difficult, but you'll never succeed unless and until you *try*. Yes, it is difficult for me to change my response to your statement. |
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LETTER - Southampton's transport plan will benefit everyone
On 03/07/2020 20:45, TMS320 wrote:
On 03/07/2020 16:03, JNugent wrote: On 03/07/2020 09:26, TMS320 wrote: On 03/07/2020 02:08, JNugent wrote: On 29/06/2020 23:08, TMS320 wrote: On 29/06/2020 12:55, JNugent wrote: On 29/06/2020 07:47, TMS320 wrote: On 28/06/2020 15:29, JNugent wrote: On 28/06/2020 11:34, TMS320 wrote: It's not difficult to notice most drivers don't have a clue. Even if that were true (it isn't), it wouild not be relevant. Don't be stupid. The "big boys do it" defence is not valid. Then you admit the big boys do it. Then big boys shouldn't point their finger. Which part of "even if it were true" were you unable to understand? It is true. Of course it isn't. It's just another one of those little fabrications you "think" is clever to trot out. You have variously claimed to be a "pedestrian". You are lying. How stupid can *you* possibly be? You are excelling yourself with that one. Every single one of us - except for those cyclists incapable of using footways without riding a bike along them - is a pedestrian, first and foremost. Travel by vehicle is something everyone but the most hard-working of professional drivers does for a small minority of their time. This is a rather silly way to go about convincing anybody about your habits. It is what is known as "the truth". Not, of course, that you would know anything about that. On Top Gear several years ago, I recall someone mentioning that most people never go more than something like 200 yards from their vehicle. I believe Jeremy Clarkson expressed surprise that it was even as far as that. I haven't driven a vehicle for three days (as I write). And that was a ten minute journey each way. ...which tells us nothing about how far you walk. So what? But even if it were true (it isn't), it would not be relevant. The "big boys [also] do it" defence is not valid. You also can't read. You really are proving yourself to be an idiot. I gave my answer. Repeating your statement changes nothing. You really have proven yourself to be an idiot. More than once. Why don't you *calm* *down* and try to post while exercising a little common sense? I know you find it difficult, but you'll never succeed unless and until you *try*. Yes, it is difficult for me to... ....act reasonably and responsibly. |
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