Don't hassle me - I'm riding my bike

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?



N.B. Tom in Oakland, tagline: "I fear no tramp."

more, many with folding trigger for pocket carry:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bicycle+pi...ages&ia=images

That said, urban environments present almost infinite
possibilities for trouble and for liability.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:12:13 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

N.B. Tom in Oakland, tagline: "I fear no tramp."

more, many with folding trigger for pocket carry:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bicycle+pi...ages&ia=images

That said, urban environments present almost infinite
possibilities for trouble and for liability.
--

I can't remember the last time I needed or wanted to pull a gun on someone, at least not since quitting ambulance work 40 years ago. I would be better off carrying a spare crank arm since I've broken more cranks than encountered homicidal tramps.

BTW, I inherited a .32 cal Browning 1910 that was taken off a Japanese officer in WWII (they loved the Brownings). The thing weighs like a pound and a half -- and its small. I can get a Time frame that weighs less than that gun. If I got a gun, I'd want super light-weight one -- with features that would make it otherwise useful, like a fold out pocket tool and maybe GPS. I'd want to talk to my gun -- "gun, call home." "Gun, shoot tramp." "Gun, call lawyer." "Gun, plot course to Mexico."

-- Jay Beattie.

John B. writes:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?

I've got one right now (bib overalls). Anyone wearing 5 pocket jeans
has one as well, although it might be a little skimpy for a 3"
pistol.

On 7/3/2020 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?

You don't?? That's it, buddy - your retrogrouch card is revoked!

Actually, the shorts I'm wearing as I type this have even better. It's
an additional side pocket sized for a cell phone. One of those pistols
could easily fit there. Not that I ride far in these...


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 7/3/2020 6:36 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 3:12:13 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

N.B. Tom in Oakland, tagline: "I fear no tramp."

more, many with folding trigger for pocket carry:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bicycle+pi...ages&ia=images

That said, urban environments present almost infinite
possibilities for trouble and for liability.
--

I can't remember the last time I needed or wanted to pull a gun on someone, at least not since quitting ambulance work 40 years ago. I would be better off carrying a spare crank arm since I've broken more cranks than encountered homicidal tramps.

BTW, I inherited a .32 cal Browning 1910 that was taken off a Japanese officer in WWII (they loved the Brownings). The thing weighs like a pound and a half -- and its small. I can get a Time frame that weighs less than that gun. If I got a gun, I'd want super light-weight one -- with features that would make it otherwise useful, like a fold out pocket tool and maybe GPS. I'd want to talk to my gun -- "gun, call home." "Gun, shoot tramp." "Gun, call lawyer." "Gun, plot course to Mexico."

-- Jay Beattie.


I've been in some dangerous situations, some scary
situations and on the short end of some fights over the
years, but I have never been in a situation were shooting a
man dead would have made things better at net.

Therefore I do not carry on my bicycle. I also don't ride in
downtown Detroit. YMMV.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/3/2020 7:36 PM, jbeattie wrote:

I can't remember the last time I needed or wanted to pull a gun on someone, at least not since quitting ambulance work 40 years ago. I would be better off carrying a spare crank arm since I've broken more cranks than encountered homicidal tramps.

I recall two incidents (in over 45 years) where an angry motorist got
out of a car and walked toward me threateningly. Both backed down when I
stood my ground. In one case I had my can of "Halt" dog spray in my
hand. in the other it was clipped to my handlebar bag (!) but I was
ready to grab it if needed.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:29:52 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

John B. writes:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?

I've got one right now (bib overalls). Anyone wearing 5 pocket jeans
has one as well, although it might be a little skimpy for a 3"
pistol.

Is this a style sort of thing? Bib Overalls? I haven't seen those for
50 years or so and when they were common they were, like a mechanic's
"coveralls", primarily work clothing. I certainly don't remember
seeing farm folks in town for the Saturday shopping wearing overalls.
As for 5 pocket jeans, I guess the Levi's 501 still have a watch
pocket :-)


But more to the point, are Levi's 501 or bib overalls, for that
matter, acceptable bicycling clothes :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 20:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/3/2020 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?

You don't?? That's it, buddy - your retrogrouch card is revoked!

Actually, the shorts I'm wearing as I type this have even better. It's
an additional side pocket sized for a cell phone. One of those pistols
could easily fit there. Not that I ride far in these...


But side pockets and or (what do they call 'em?) britches with pockets
on the legs? "Cargo Pants? Aren't "watch pockets. Unless, of course
you consider an alarm clock a "watch" :-)

And besides the traditional method for a gentleman to carry a "pocket"
pistol is in his vest pocket. Ladies, of course, can easily carry one
in their muff :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 20:53:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/3/2020 7:36 PM, jbeattie wrote:

I can't remember the last time I needed or wanted to pull a gun on someone, at least not since quitting ambulance work 40 years ago. I would be better off carrying a spare crank arm since I've broken more cranks than encountered homicidal tramps.

I recall two incidents (in over 45 years) where an angry motorist got
out of a car and walked toward me threateningly. Both backed down when I
stood my ground. In one case I had my can of "Halt" dog spray in my
hand. in the other it was clipped to my handlebar bag (!) but I was
ready to grab it if needed.

I was in a situation once where, if I had a gun, I would certainly
have shot someone. The situation resolved itself with no injuries to
anyone and had I shot, and probably killed the guy, I would have
undoubtedly been charged with murder.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 7/3/2020 8:21 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 20:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/3/2020 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?

You don't?? That's it, buddy - your retrogrouch card is revoked!

Actually, the shorts I'm wearing as I type this have even better. It's
an additional side pocket sized for a cell phone. One of those pistols
could easily fit there. Not that I ride far in these...


But side pockets and or (what do they call 'em?) britches with pockets
on the legs? "Cargo Pants? Aren't "watch pockets. Unless, of course
you consider an alarm clock a "watch" :-)

And besides the traditional method for a gentleman to carry a "pocket"
pistol is in his vest pocket. Ladies, of course, can easily carry one
in their muff :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.


Oh dear how our language has changed.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971