the future

Evans: will never win Tour (age + Contador)
Sast got his victory (now it's over)
Menchov: will never win tour (has La vuelta)
VDV: will never win tour (might get caught for doping)
Kohl: who the hell is he? (will get caught for doping)
Valverde: might win tour one day (cause he's Spanish)
Cunego: will never win Tour (cause he's Italian)
Sanchez: will win tour one day (fill in....)
Devolder: will win tour one day (it will be a death match with
Contador)
Monfort: will probably win in 2 or 3 years (might be clean and
improving..a rarity)
A. Schleck: will never win tour ( I don't think white jerseys have
done too good years after)
F. Schleck : I have no idea...
Kreuziger .....has to be doping; if not, I apologize to him and assume
him a great rider
Tens Dam: Has to win the tour one day (Holland has to have a champion)


Andre

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Andre wrote:

Evans: will never win Tour (age + Contador)
Sast got his victory (now it's over)
Menchov: will never win tour (has La vuelta)
VDV: will never win tour (might get caught for doping)
Kohl: who the hell is he? (will get caught for doping)
Valverde: might win tour one day (cause he's Spanish)
Cunego: will never win Tour (cause he's Italian)
Sanchez: will win tour one day (fill in....)
Devolder: will win tour one day (it will be a death match with
Contador)
Monfort: will probably win in 2 or 3 years (might be clean and
improving..a rarity)
A. Schleck: will never win tour ( I don't think white jerseys have
done too good years after)
F. Schleck : I have no idea...
Kreuziger .....has to be doping; if not, I apologize to him and assume
him a great rider
Tens Dam: Has to win the tour one day (Holland has to have a champion)


Andre

I am convinced by this analysis that in the future, no riders will win
the Tour.

And really, the odds of any one doing so are so small, even in the
aggregate it must be impossible,

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Andre wrote:
A. Schleck: will never win tour ( I don't think white jerseys have
done too good years after)

White jersey winners that have also won the Tour in the same year:

Fignon
Ullrich
Contador

White jersey winners that won a later Tour

Lemond
Pantani
Ullrich

White jersey winners that have won other grand tours:

Hampsten
Basso
Menchov
Cunego
Moser

When you consider that the white jersey has only been
awarded since 1975 I think it has a pretty good
record as a predictor of grand tour success.

Bob Schwartz

On Jul 27, 12:39*pm, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
Andre wrote:
A. Schleck: will never win tour ( I don't think white jerseys have
done too good years after)

White jersey winners that have also won the Tour in the same year:

Fignon
Ullrich
Contador

White jersey winners that won a later Tour

Lemond
Pantani
Ullrich

White jersey winners that have won other grand tours:

Hampsten
Basso
Menchov
Cunego
Moser

When you consider that the white jersey has only been
awarded since 1975 I think it has a pretty good
record as a predictor of grand tour success.

Bob Schwartz

Tell that to Karpets, Cunego, Sevilla, and a dozen others I can't
remember. Let me search for that list, I'll be right back. And you
have to take Ullrich, Hampsten, and Basso off the list...we know why
they won.

On Jul 27, 1:15*pm, Andre wrote:
On Jul 27, 12:39*pm, Bob Schwartz
wrote:





Andre wrote:
A. Schleck: will never win tour ( I don't think white jerseys have
done too good years after)

White jersey winners that have also won the Tour in the same year:

Fignon
Ullrich
Contador

White jersey winners that won a later Tour

Lemond
Pantani
Ullrich

White jersey winners that have won other grand tours:

Hampsten
Basso
Menchov
Cunego
Moser

When you consider that the white jersey has only been
awarded since 1975 I think it has a pretty good
record as a predictor of grand tour success.

Bob Schwartz

Tell that to Karpets, Cunego, Sevilla, and a dozen others I can't
remember. Let me search for that list, I'll be right back. And you
have to take Ullrich, Hampsten, and Basso off the list...we know why
they won.- Hide quoted text -

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1976 Enrique Martinez-Heredia Spain Kas-Campagnolo 23rd
1977 Dietrich Thurau Germany TI-Raleigh 5th
1978 Henk Lubberding Netherlands TI-Raleigh 8th
1979 Jean-Rene Bernaudeau France Renault 5th
1980 Johan Van der Velde Netherlands TI-Raleigh 12th
1981 Peter Winnen Netherlands Capri Sonne 5th
1982 Phil Anderson Australia Peugeot 5th
1983 Laurent Fignon France Renault 1st
1984 Greg LeMond United States Renault 3rd
1985 Fabio Parra Colombia Cafe de Colombia 8th

1987 Raúl Alcalá Mexico 7-11 9th
1988 Erik Breukink Netherlands Panasonic 12th
1989 Fabrice Philipot France Toshiba 24th
1990 Gilles Delion France Helvetia 15th
1991 Álvaro Mejía Colombia Ryalco 19th
1992 Eddy Bouwmans Netherlands Panasonic 14th
1993 Antonio Martín Velasco Spain Amaya Seguros 12th

1999 Benoît Salmon France Casino 16th
2000 Francisco Mancebo Spain Banesto 9th
2001 Oscar Sevilla Spain Kelme 7th


2004 Vladimir Karpets Russia Illes Balears 13th
2005 Yaroslav Popovych

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
I am convinced by this analysis that in the future, no riders will win the
Tour.

And really, the odds of any one doing so are so small, even in the
aggregate it must be impossible,

Might as well cancel it then and have a fatty master criterium
around the Champs-Élysées (as a matter of morbid interest, how
do your American commentators pronounce Champs-Élysées ?).

Andre wrote:
On Jul 27, 1:15 pm, Andre wrote:
On Jul 27, 12:39 pm, Bob Schwartz
wrote:





Andre wrote:
A. Schleck: will never win tour ( I don't think white jerseys have
done too good years after)
White jersey winners that have also won the Tour in the same year:
Fignon
Ullrich
Contador
White jersey winners that won a later Tour
Lemond
Pantani
Ullrich
White jersey winners that have won other grand tours:
Hampsten
Basso
Menchov
Cunego
Moser
When you consider that the white jersey has only been
awarded since 1975 I think it has a pretty good
record as a predictor of grand tour success.
Bob Schwartz
Tell that to Karpets, Cunego, Sevilla, and a dozen others I can't
remember. Let me search for that list, I'll be right back. And you
have to take Ullrich, Hampsten, and Basso off the list...we know why
they won.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

1976 Enrique Martinez-Heredia Spain Kas-Campagnolo 23rd
1977 Dietrich Thurau Germany TI-Raleigh 5th
1978 Henk Lubberding Netherlands TI-Raleigh 8th
1979 Jean-Rene Bernaudeau France Renault 5th
1980 Johan Van der Velde Netherlands TI-Raleigh 12th
1981 Peter Winnen Netherlands Capri Sonne 5th
1982 Phil Anderson Australia Peugeot 5th
1983 Laurent Fignon France Renault 1st
1984 Greg LeMond United States Renault 3rd
1985 Fabio Parra Colombia Cafe de Colombia 8th

1987 Raúl Alcalá Mexico 7-11 9th
1988 Erik Breukink Netherlands Panasonic 12th
1989 Fabrice Philipot France Toshiba 24th
1990 Gilles Delion France Helvetia 15th
1991 Álvaro Mejía Colombia Ryalco 19th
1992 Eddy Bouwmans Netherlands Panasonic 14th
1993 Antonio Martín Velasco Spain Amaya Seguros 12th

1999 Benoît Salmon France Casino 16th
2000 Francisco Mancebo Spain Banesto 9th
2001 Oscar Sevilla Spain Kelme 7th


2004 Vladimir Karpets Russia Illes Balears 13th
2005 Yaroslav Popovych

You forgot to edit out Lemond and Fignon.

Breukink, Sevilla, Mancebo, and Popovych have all
finished on a grand tour podium.

So out of the 30 white jersey winners, 10 have also
won a grand tour. And 13 of them at least made it onto
a grand tour podium.

I agree with you completely that the white jersey is
a good predictor of grand tour success.

Bob Schwartz

On Jul 27, 8:16*am, Andre wrote:

Devolder: *will win tour one day (it will be a death match with
Contador)



Dumbass -


Devolder? No way.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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Donald Munro wrote:

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
I am convinced by this analysis that in the future, no riders will win the
Tour.

And really, the odds of any one doing so are so small, even in the
aggregate it must be impossible,

Might as well cancel it then and have a fatty master criterium
around the Champs-Élysées (as a matter of morbid interest, how
do your American commentators pronounce Champs-Élysées ?).

I listen to Phil and Paul on the Outdoor Life Network:

http://www.tsn.ca/oln/

So they pronounce it like I do.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."