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about f'ing time (bike rule enforcement)
In article 6Mfsk.640$w51.227@trnddc01,
Peter Cole wrote: max wrote: yesterday we were at the Lincoln restaurant at Lincoln and Irving Park, directly across the street from the ghost bike they erekted for that alley cat dude (Manger Lynch??) that got splattered during a "race" through that intersection. As i sat there, eating my greek salad and broody maly, I couldn't help thinking that "victimhood" carries with it a certain ethic/moral component and that this guy wasn't a victim. Casualty, yes, but victim? From what I've read, not even the other alley cat racers considered him a victim. I guess you interpret the ghost bike as some sort of implicit victimhood claim, but you could just as easily consider it a reminder to the alley cats and others that riding like that carries fatal risks. i disagree, emphatically. I walked that intersection after lunch and scoped the sightlines. I was soo tempted to make a sign that said DUMBASS for the ghost bike, although barb restrained me. But her message "stupid people die in stupid ways" would have taken too much foamboard. I can't imagine any life that hasn't included some really stupid moments, they're usually not fatal, thankfully. This guy had the misfortune of paying the ultimate price. Apparently that wasn't enough for you? i made it pretty clear: these bikes little shrines need to have some kind of context. this one is so far away from the intersection (and on the wrong side of the street) that it looks like the guy got splattered coming out of a Starbucks. in the context of the trib story, it's that plenty of the city's cyclists think he _is_ a victim. I can find you about a dozen in the apt. building next door who think the Lincoln/Irving park bike represents some biker who got splattered by YA inattentive cager. they have no. clue. Without context it becomes whatever treacly legend one's mind comes up with. More generally, i'm not real keen on memorializing every location in the city where someone dies. Chicago has a lot of people. They die. What makes one person's stupid death on the sidewalk/street more deserving of memorialization than another's? Will there be a ribbon for the cop that shot himself at Milwaukee and Logan this week? ..max -- This signature can be appended to your outgoing mesages. Many people include in their signatures contact information, and perhaps a joke or quotation. |
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about f'ing time (bike rule enforcement)
On 2008-08-24, max wrote:
In article , Geoff Gass wrote: max wrote: Chicago is ramping up RotR and equipment enforcement on cyclists http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ckdown-webaug2 2,0,3716423.story Based on a survey in the Logan Square neighborhood between 9 and 11 tonight, about 90% of the cyclists in Chicago don't have any kind of lighting at all, and damn few (less than 50%) even have reflectors. Out rage us. I estimate traffic control compliance much better, at about 80% for lights, but only about 2% for stop signs. I get not stopping at stop signs when there's noone around or timing them so you hit the sign at the same time a car going your direction is going so you don't have to stop. Technically illegal, sure, but not unsafe. ya. i don't get too cranked-up about that. What I don't get is the ****ers like the guy I almost hit by DePaul who blasted the stop sign as I'm already in the middle of the intersection, so I had to panic stop not to hit him and then flipped me off. agreed. this lighting stuf (no lights + ironic hipster blaque) really annoys me. That guy deserves to get hit, but the person who will hit him doesn't deserve to go through that. That kind of Critical Masshole needs to get a damned clue. yesterday we were at the Lincoln restaurant at Lincoln and Irving Park, directly across the street from the ghost bike they erekted for that alley cat dude (Manger Lynch??) that got splattered during a "race" through that intersection. As i sat there, eating my greek salad and broody maly, I couldn't help thinking that "victimhood" carries with it a certain ethic/moral component and that this guy wasn't a victim. Casualty, yes, but victim? I walked that intersection after lunch and scoped the sightlines. I was soo tempted to make a sign that said DUMBASS for the ghost bike, although barb restrained me. But her message "stupid people die in stupid ways" would have taken too much foamboard. .max Shoulda posted. I live about 2 minutes' walk from the Lincoln. Not the best diner in the 'hood, but passable. -- smr |
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about f'ing time (bike rule enforcement)
Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Geoff Gass" wrote: I get not stopping at stop signs when there's noone around or timing them so you hit the sign at the same time a car going your direction is going so you don't have to stop. Technically illegal, sure, but not unsafe. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actually SAFER than stopping and waiting for the next opportunity, AND less disruptive to traffic. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, you could argue (at the illogical extreme) that it would be safer to wait for a real break in traffic, but at some intersections, that could be a long time. You're absolutely right about less disruptive to traffic. A lot of cyclists I see are pretty good at it. A little coast as you approach the intersection to read the cars, then zoom through with one. (clip) Critical Masshole (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I love it :-))) I take no credit, that's mercilessly stolen from some other poster. |
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Peter Cole wrote:
max wrote: yesterday we were at the Lincoln restaurant at Lincoln and Irving Park, directly across the street from the ghost bike they erekted for that alley cat dude (Manger Lynch??) that got splattered during a "race" through that intersection. As i sat there, eating my greek salad and broody maly, I couldn't help thinking that "victimhood" carries with it a certain ethic/moral component and that this guy wasn't a victim. Casualty, yes, but victim? From what I've read, not even the other alley cat racers considered him a victim. I guess you interpret the ghost bike as some sort of implicit victimhood claim, but you could just as easily consider it a reminder to the alley cats and others that riding like that carries fatal risks. There was at least one guy quoted in the press saying that the dead guy was a victim. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=5986557 I can't imagine any life that hasn't included some really stupid moments, they're usually not fatal, thankfully. This guy had the misfortune of paying the ultimate price. Apparently that wasn't enough for you? That's not his point at all. His point is that the guy shouldn't be memorialized as a victim of car culture or whatever such BS is being put out with this ghost bike. Try giving that kind of treatment to people who deserve it, like Thomas McBride. (I know I'm going back a couple years on that, but that was a big case for cyclists here). |
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Peter Cole" wrote: (clip) I can't imagine any life that hasn't included some really stupid moments, they're usually not fatal, thankfully. This guy had the misfortune of paying the ultimate price. Apparently that wasn't enough for you? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ With all due respect, Peter, I take a slightly different view. He did not learn from this experience. The comments being offered cannot help him and cannot hurt him further. But the rest of us should learn to avoid such "really stupid moments." The comments are directed at helping the rest of us stay alive. If it was your son would you want to see "DUMBASS" on a ghost bike? |
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max wrote:
In article 6Mfsk.640$w51.227@trnddc01, Peter Cole wrote: max wrote: yesterday we were at the Lincoln restaurant at Lincoln and Irving Park, directly across the street from the ghost bike they erekted for that alley cat dude (Manger Lynch??) that got splattered during a "race" through that intersection. As i sat there, eating my greek salad and broody maly, I couldn't help thinking that "victimhood" carries with it a certain ethic/moral component and that this guy wasn't a victim. Casualty, yes, but victim? From what I've read, not even the other alley cat racers considered him a victim. I guess you interpret the ghost bike as some sort of implicit victimhood claim, but you could just as easily consider it a reminder to the alley cats and others that riding like that carries fatal risks. i disagree, emphatically. I walked that intersection after lunch and scoped the sightlines. I was soo tempted to make a sign that said DUMBASS for the ghost bike, although barb restrained me. But her message "stupid people die in stupid ways" would have taken too much foamboard. I can't imagine any life that hasn't included some really stupid moments, they're usually not fatal, thankfully. This guy had the misfortune of paying the ultimate price. Apparently that wasn't enough for you? i made it pretty clear: these bikes little shrines need to have some kind of context. this one is so far away from the intersection (and on the wrong side of the street) that it looks like the guy got splattered coming out of a Starbucks. It wasn't clear to me, you wrote: "yesterday we were at the Lincoln restaurant at Lincoln and Irving Park, directly across the street from the ghost bike they erekted for that alley cat dude (Manger Lynch??) that got splattered during a "race" through that intersection. " in the context of the trib story, it's that plenty of the city's cyclists think he _is_ a victim. Which Trib story? The one you cited didn't mention the incident. I can find you about a dozen in the apt. building next door who think the Lincoln/Irving park bike represents some biker who got splattered by YA inattentive cager. they have no. clue. Perhaps not. I'm sure most people don't know what a white painted bike means, either. Without context it becomes whatever treacly legend one's mind comes up with. I'm sure it wouldn't to the 50 or so participants in the race he was in. More generally, i'm not real keen on memorializing every location in the city where someone dies. Chicago has a lot of people. They die. What makes one person's stupid death on the sidewalk/street more deserving of memorialization than another's? Will there be a ribbon for the cop that shot himself at Milwaukee and Logan this week? It's a free country (more or less). If some citizen (or group of citizens) wants to put up white painted bikes at the site of cyclist fatalities I guess it's their business. |
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In chi.general smr wrote:
On 2008-08-24, max wrote: In article , Geoff Gass wrote: max wrote: Chicago is ramping up RotR and equipment enforcement on cyclists http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ckdown-webaug2 2,0,3716423.story Based on a survey in the Logan Square neighborhood between 9 and 11 tonight, about 90% of the cyclists in Chicago don't have any kind of lighting at all, and damn few (less than 50%) even have reflectors. Out rage us. I estimate traffic control compliance much better, at about 80% for lights, but only about 2% for stop signs. I get not stopping at stop signs when there's noone around or timing them so you hit the sign at the same time a car going your direction is going so you don't have to stop. Technically illegal, sure, but not unsafe. ya. i don't get too cranked-up about that. What I don't get is the ****ers like the guy I almost hit by DePaul who blasted the stop sign as I'm already in the middle of the intersection, so I had to panic stop not to hit him and then flipped me off. agreed. this lighting stuf (no lights + ironic hipster blaque) really annoys me. That guy deserves to get hit, but the person who will hit him doesn't deserve to go through that. That kind of Critical Masshole needs to get a damned clue. yesterday we were at the Lincoln restaurant at Lincoln and Irving Park, directly across the street from the ghost bike they erekted for that alley cat dude (Manger Lynch??) that got splattered during a "race" through that intersection. As i sat there, eating my greek salad and broody maly, I couldn't help thinking that "victimhood" carries with it a certain ethic/moral component and that this guy wasn't a victim. Casualty, yes, but victim? I walked that intersection after lunch and scoped the sightlines. I was soo tempted to make a sign that said DUMBASS for the ghost bike, although barb restrained me. But her message "stupid people die in stupid ways" would have taken too much foamboard. .max Shoulda posted. I live about 2 minutes' walk from the Lincoln. Not the best diner in the 'hood, but passable. there's some weird vibes in that place, but the food seemed ok. |
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Geoff Gass wrote:
Peter Cole wrote: max wrote: yesterday we were at the Lincoln restaurant at Lincoln and Irving Park, directly across the street from the ghost bike they erekted for that alley cat dude (Manger Lynch??) that got splattered during a "race" through that intersection. As i sat there, eating my greek salad and broody maly, I couldn't help thinking that "victimhood" carries with it a certain ethic/moral component and that this guy wasn't a victim. Casualty, yes, but victim? From what I've read, not even the other alley cat racers considered him a victim. I guess you interpret the ghost bike as some sort of implicit victimhood claim, but you could just as easily consider it a reminder to the alley cats and others that riding like that carries fatal risks. There was at least one guy quoted in the press saying that the dead guy was a victim. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=5986557 Yeah, it was the guy's friend & organizer of the event. He went off on some anti-car rant -- film at 11:00. I can't imagine any life that hasn't included some really stupid moments, they're usually not fatal, thankfully. This guy had the misfortune of paying the ultimate price. Apparently that wasn't enough for you? That's not his point at all. His point is that the guy shouldn't be memorialized as a victim of car culture or whatever such BS is being put out with this ghost bike. Try giving that kind of treatment to people who deserve it, like Thomas McBride. (I know I'm going back a couple years on that, but that was a big case for cyclists here). Ghost bikes are hardly like Nobel prizes or Congressional Medals of Honor, there's no committee. Anybody can paint a bike white & chain it to a street post. |
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about f'ing time (bike rule enforcement)
"max" wrote in message
... Chicago is ramping up RotR and equipment enforcement on cyclists http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ckdown-webaug2 2,0,3716423.story Based on a survey in the Logan Square neighborhood between 9 and 11 tonight, about 90% of the cyclists in Chicago don't have any kind of lighting at all, and damn few (less than 50%) even have reflectors. Out rage us. I estimate traffic control compliance much better, at about 80% for lights, but only about 2% for stop signs. [writing from r.b.m., but living in Chicago. Is chi.general worth reading again, or it is still low in information content?] A little education never hurt nobody. This year there are a lot of newby's out there, and also cyclists who haven't been on a bicycle much since they got their driver's license. There's a lot of bad cycling behavior to be seen, and if giving people a traffic fine will maybe save their lives, I'm all for it. Based on my riding down Elston, I'd estimate lights at about 40%. But that's a major commuter route, and a lot of the cyclists there are regulars. If you observed 20 cyclists in Logan Square and 18 didn't have lighting, I wouldn't be surprised. Motorist compliance at stop signs (4 way stop type of intersections, in the absence of cross-traffic) isn't that far above 2% in terms of coming to a complete stop. There's a lot of "rolling through while looking" on the motorist side as well. The sight lines on a bicycle are much better than in a car (because you don't have an engine in front of you), so it makes some sense that cyclists would roll through more. |
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about f'ing time (bike rule enforcement)
ZBicyclist wrote:
"max" wrote in message ... Chicago is ramping up RotR and equipment enforcement on cyclists http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ckdown-webaug2 2,0,3716423.story Based on a survey in the Logan Square neighborhood between 9 and 11 tonight, about 90% of the cyclists in Chicago don't have any kind of lighting at all, and damn few (less than 50%) even have reflectors. Out rage us. I estimate traffic control compliance much better, at about 80% for lights, but only about 2% for stop signs. [writing from r.b.m., but living in Chicago. Is chi.general worth reading again, or it is still low in information content?] we're in the middle of a name change proposition chi.jon.nelson.general |
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