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On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote: snip Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them. He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop. I ignore most of his stances on everything. Cheers Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal rather than material... LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I find no value in anything he writes. The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want to reconsider their position. I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you understand why people might not want to copy what you do. Crap, I just drilled and tapped my fork crown for the mood light. Speaking of dynos, a guy at the rack asked me about my light. I told him what it was; he asked about what it costs, and when I told him, he kind of rolled his eyes and rode away with his little all-in-one. I get the feeling that he lives pretty close to my office because he has a fixie with flat bars and rides in civies, so I don't see him much on rainy days. He's perfectly content with his battery light, and I didn't try to convert him, being that I'm not getting a kick-back from Shutter Precision or B&M. I was kind of amazed this guy didn't know about dynos because is bike is a rather unique fixie built around an old Raleigh International frame with hammered metal fenders, leather bar grips and one of those really expensive dinger bells. It's kind of a collector's bike -- the sort of thing that screams out for a mood light. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms
wrote: On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote: snip Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them. He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop. I ignore most of his stances on everything. Cheers Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal rather than material... LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I find no value in anything he writes. The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want to reconsider their position. I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you understand why people might not want to copy what you do. Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames. Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you differently. As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show you. I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate their, imagined, image as an expert. IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle. Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory, be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the many clamps that are available. Prudent? How so? You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so successfully. You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you. -- cheers, John B. |
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On 2/8/2020 4:56 PM, jbeattie wrote:
snip Crap, I just drilled and tapped my fork crown for the mood light. Speaking of dynos, a guy at the rack asked me about my light. I told him what it was; he asked about what it costs, and when I told him, he kind of rolled his eyes and rode away with his little all-in-one. I get the feeling that he lives pretty close to my office because he has a fixie with flat bars and rides in civies, so I don't see him much on rainy days. He's perfectly content with his battery light, and I didn't try to convert him, being that I'm not getting a kick-back from Shutter Precision or B&M. I was kind of amazed this guy didn't know about dynos because is bike is a rather unique fixie built around an old Raleigh International frame with hammered metal fenders, leather bar grips and one of those really expensive dinger bells. It's kind of a collector's bike -- the sort of thing that screams out for a mood light. It won't be an issue on the fork. The way you go through warranty replacement frames would make wary though, since you never know what kind of excuse the manufacturer will come up with for denying a claim. Of course you could sue them at little cost to you, but the rest of us are not so fortunate. Be careful about mentioning brand names, you may get accused by Frank of getting money from SP or B&M. I just deposited those multi-million dollar checks from companies making battery powered lights so I don't have to work for a long time. As I said earlier, I'm pretty certain that my garage holds the most dynamo wheels in my entire city. My city probably has the largest number of bicycles with dyno wheels, per capita, of any city in the United States, thanks to the big fruit company in town and their huge fleet of lovely Mixte frame bicycles. The one time I rode one, while visiting "the Spaceship" my host and I got yelled at by security because he didn't know that guests are not allowed on the company bicycles. i was at a reception at the Spaceship a couple of months ago and I suggested that a new product that Apple should launch is an iBike e-Bike. It's the perfect consumer product for them: high-margin, huge untapped market, and they could easily source it from a factory in China. |
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On 2/8/2020 7:48 PM, John B. wrote:
snip Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames. Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you differently. It's pretty clear that you've never visited a bicycle factory and seen how frame tubes are manufactured and drilled. snip You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you. You'd be better off sticking to factual data than engaging in that sort of rhetoric. You're reminding us of our U.S. president. |
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On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms wrote: On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote: snip Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them. He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop. I ignore most of his stances on everything. Cheers Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal rather than material... LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I find no value in anything he writes. The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want to reconsider their position. I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you understand why people might not want to copy what you do. Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames. Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you differently. As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show you. I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate their, imagined, image as an expert. IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle. Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory, be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the many clamps that are available. Prudent? How so? You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so successfully. You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you. Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who prove he spouts a lot of nonsense. It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la la, I can't hear you!" Very mature! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 7:27:52 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/8/2020 10:48 PM, John B. wrote: On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:56:25 -0800, sms wrote: On 2/8/2020 3:14 PM, John B. wrote: snip Yes, he used to engage in quite aggressive guerilla marketing of those flashlights as bicycle lights as well as the assorted kludged mounts for them. He still avows that you can't drill a hole for and install a Rivnut without destroying the bike unless you have a fully equipped machine shop. I ignore most of his stances on everything. Cheers Another example of "mine" is better than "yours", except it is verbal rather than material... LOL, wow, Sir Ridesalot ignores my stances on everything, but still reads it voraciously! OTOH he's been in my filter list for years since I find no value in anything he writes. The key thing is to lead by example. Don't try to tell people what to do, explain to them why you made the choices you made. If they are making bad choices maybe gently explain, with cites, why they might want to reconsider their position. I.e., your obsession with drilling holes in your frame may be fine for you, but it's pretty important that people understand why they shouldn't grab their power drill and do the same thing. Citing the opinions of experts, as well as explaining the frame warranty policies of the bicycle manufacturers, may upset you, but I'm pretty certain that you understand why people might not want to copy what you do. Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames. Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you differently. As for an expert opinion? I believe that you are quoting Brandt who rode a bicycle that had holes in the frame, as any photo will show you. I have no desire for people to copy what I do, but I do have a great deal of dislike for those who tell lies simply to attempt to inflate their, imagined, image as an expert. IMVAIO, the Zefal Gizmo Clamps, the KLICKFix Bottle Fix, and the Minoura bottle cage holder, are solutions to the problem that do not have the downside of weakening the frame or allowing water to get inside the frame. They look no worse that the various clamps that hold other accessories, such as computers, onto the bicycle. Everyone would prefer that their frame has cage bosses from the factory, be they braze-ons or factory installed Rivnuts. When this is not the case, the prudent method for adding bottle mounts is to use one of the many clamps that are available. Prudent? How so? You lack the physical dexterity and the knowledge to successfully drill a hole in a tube? . Or perhaps you lack the tools (a ruler) and the knowledge to accurately locate the desired holes? Certainly in that case I would suggest that you don't drill a hole So yes, it is very possible that you should not drill holes in bicycle frames as you appear to lack the skill and knowledge to do so successfully. You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you. Careful, John! You're one step away from joining Sir, me and several others on Scharf's "filter list." It's what he does with people who prove he spouts a lot of nonsense. It's the internet equivalent of covering one's ears and singing "La la la, I can't hear you!" Very mature! -- - Frank Krygowski You and John B act like a 12 year old. Bringing up the drilling holes, one preference about bycycle lights, guerilla marketing again and again. People have opinions, preferences which can change over time, make mistakes, say dumb things etc. Let it rest and respond to the actual post which was quite reasonable IMO. Lou |
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 09:21:42 -0800, sms
wrote: On 2/8/2020 7:48 PM, John B. wrote: snip Firstly, a fact. Bicycle manufacturers drill holes in bike frames. Do you believe that there are special tubes made, and used, when a hole is to be placed in a frame? If you are that ignorant than a perusal of any tube maker's catalogs will certainly teach you differently. It's pretty clear that you've never visited a bicycle factory and seen how frame tubes are manufactured and drilled. No, I have never visited a bicycle factory. My qualifications include: completion of an apprenticeship as a journeyman machinist in 1950, graduation from a 2 year engineering school, more then 10 years experience in managing metal working shops for the U.S. Air Force. I was also a qualified welder for both TIG welding on stainless, magnesium, aluminum and titanium, and conventional stick welding - flat, corner, upright, overhead. etc., as well as pipe welding for both gas and liquids. And while I have never visited a bicycle factory I have built complete bicycles from tubes and fittings. Oh! By the way, bicycle factories don't manufacture frame tubes, they buy them from a specialized company and simply cut them to length. So, yes, I do suggest that I may well be qualified to talk about drilling holes in tubes. Care to furnish some details about your qualifications to discuss the matter? snip You are really a very pitiful person, aren't you. You'd be better off sticking to factual data than engaging in that sort of rhetoric. You're reminding us of our U.S. president. Well, yes,. I am guilty of voicing my personal opinion of you so just lay out your qualifications to discuss drilling holes in bicycle frames - maybe your vast experience in metal working? Engineering and stress analysis? Bicycle repairs? Managing a bicycle shop? Common sense? -- cheers, John B. |
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