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Old February 7th 20, 03:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Old February 7th 20, 04:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 7:04:32 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ld-in-england/

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What do you want to bet with mandatory helmets in case the kids fall down on the grass?
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Old February 7th 20, 10:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 08:39:42 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 7:04:32 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ycle-training-

for-every-child-in-england/

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What do you want to bet with mandatory helmets in case the kids fall
down on the grass?


Yep. We have a dinky bicycle education centre provided by our local
government body and "dinky" is the word. It is so small that no adult
rider would be able to ride the circuit.

I'm not sure what it actually teaches in relation to real world bicycling.

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Old February 7th 20, 10:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 09:04:13 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ld-in-england/


My own experience isn't dissimilar- I started racing because I lived
riding so much and training was an excuse to ride bike every day but to
not be some kind of slacker ("I'm training for a race" rather than "I'm
going for a bike ride"). Over the next nine years it brought me to
despise riding a bike. I was so relieved when I stopped racing.
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Old February 8th 20, 01:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/7/2020 10:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ld-in-england/


In general, I'm in favor of education instead of ignorance. I don't see
why learning the rules of the road has to suck the joy out of bicycling.
I'm sure riding facing traffic is no more fun than doing things right.

I'm more troubled by Chris Boardman's insinuation in that article that
bicycling is dangerous unless Brits build segregated cattle chutes
everywhere. He should know better.

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Old February 8th 20, 01:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 3:04:32 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ld-in-england/

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We have a cycle training ground for kids -- and for adults who haven't grown up -- in the town park. It consists of a series of concrete ramps you can ride up and jump down from. Kids are trained but the pain of their falls. Much more effective.

Andre Jute
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Old February 8th 20, 03:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:11:27 -0800, Andre Jute wrote:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 3:04:32 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ycle-training-

for-every-child-in-england/

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Andrew Muzi
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We have a cycle training ground for kids -- and for adults who haven't
grown up -- in the town park. It consists of a series of concrete ramps
you can ride up and jump down from. Kids are trained but the pain of
their falls. Much more effective.


Over here we call that a skate park.
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Old February 8th 20, 04:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 20:01:45 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 2/7/2020 10:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ld-in-england/


In general, I'm in favor of education instead of ignorance. I don't see
why learning the rules of the road has to suck the joy out of bicycling.
I'm sure riding facing traffic is no more fun than doing things right.

I'm more troubled by Chris Boardman's insinuation in that article that
bicycling is dangerous unless Brits build segregated cattle chutes
everywhere. He should know better.


If one builds bicycle lanes in a similar manner as foot paths are
being built in Bangkok with no surface road crossings but bridges over
the roadway (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0ghLc6lrY ) than
I'm sure that they would work fine.... except of course for the
complaints about the "hills", but having the beautiful bike path
terminate on a busy road crossing seems to me to be simply inviting
calamity.

Another point of thought. Do many bicycle accidents occur on the
stretch of road between intersections? In other words, assuming that
the bike lane is successful will it prevent a large portion of bicycle
accidents or only a tiny fraction?

And another thought comes to mind. In the Odense bike light study it
was found that the always on lighting system also reduced the number
of single vehicle crashes. Would bike lanes have a similar effect?
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Old February 8th 20, 05:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 7:29:32 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:11:27 -0800, Andre Jute wrote:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 3:04:32 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ycle-training-

for-every-child-in-england/

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


We have a cycle training ground for kids -- and for adults who haven't
grown up -- in the town park. It consists of a series of concrete ramps
you can ride up and jump down from. Kids are trained but the pain of
their falls. Much more effective.


Over here we call that a skate park.


We have multiple kiddie bicycle entertainment venues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_qMfS_Io08 (used to be a bowling alley). Look at all those rug rats! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcqNvotLPrQ They also run them around on the track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmCe099jt5g&t=26s (I like the guy climbing up the bank at 1:35).

I don't know if it gets kids on the streets, but at least it is some sort of outlet and teaches physical skills. I don't know if it sucks the fun out of riding -- it might if daddy or mommy is some sort of little league parent.

-- Jay Beattie.

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Old February 9th 20, 04:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 09:04:13 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/governm...ld-in-england/


My own experience isn't dissimilar- I started racing because I lived
riding so much and training was an excuse to ride bike every day but to
not be some kind of slacker ("I'm training for a race" rather than "I'm
going for a bike ride"). Over the next nine years it brought me to
despise riding a bike. I was so relieved when I stopped racing.


I was going to go for a 30 mile ride this morning but I managed to get 3/4ths of a mile before the wind blew me into the middle of the street twice and was clocking around 360 degrees at 50 mph. They were reporting 40 mph on the peaks but from racing sailboats I have a pretty good grasp of wind speeds. When I turned around and got back I opened the side door of the garage and the gusts were flexing the insulated garage door as long as the side door was open. So much for my Sunday ride.
 




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