"Shut it Up Popo"* - Popovych says he knows nothing !

On Nov 5, 12:21*pm, Ben Trovato wrote:

Are you referring to Texas (incl. "liberal" Austin) being a right-to-
carry state?
Well, I might be confused, but to me, right-to-carry *is* "liberal",
as opposed to being rigidly controlled and outlawed, when only the
outlaws (and police) can carry guns g.

Yeah! *Damn right! *9/11 woulda never happened if all the passengers
had been armed!

Better, if the mighty titans of industry had simply put locks on the
cockpit doors, as had been practice in Europe for some time...
(Just a little hubris, everyone-- I mean, we don't want to be like
those weakling socialist europeans, do we?)

Then Gordon Bethune came on TV and begged for money. Well, they got
the money, still laid off the workers, and spent the money to buy
fleets of very profitable charter planes, while old white men with hip
replacements were forced to take off their pants behind flimsy screens
set up in airports coast-to-coast.
--D-y

In article ,
BLafferty wrote:

On 11/5/2010 1:45 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
In articlexL2dnQ0B2sQHvknRnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews. com,
wrote:

On 11/5/2010 10:17 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:39 pm, wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/popo...ing-doping?ns_...

And that from the man who was total crap at Lotto...I guess that
helped him not joining the ranks of the ex-uniballer mountain henchmen
to fall for doping, I guess there aren't too many around, let's
see...Rubiera only comes to mind for now.

Yeah, this theory that all of LA's teammates were going to be so
terrified of the GJ that they'd all just roll over and spill the beans
just isn't working out, is it?

Brad Anders

Brad, could you post a copy of the grand jury transcript of Popo's
testimony? You really have no idea what's going down in the Grand Jury
room. It's not at all unusual for co-conspirators to all lie in their
testimony. Now, I'm not saying Popo lied because I don't know what he
said. But, it's possible.

Candyass.


You should also consider that there are times when a witness testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on leaving the
room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly amongst some
folks engaged in criminal activity.

Tonight Popo sleeps with the fishes.

More likely with his girlfriend.

Candyass.

--
Old Fritz

On Nov 5, 12:51*pm, Frederick the Great wrote:
In article ,
*BLafferty wrote:
On 11/5/2010 1:45 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:

Brad, could you post a copy of the grand jury transcript of Popo's
testimony? You really have no idea what's going down in the Grand Jury
room. It's not at all unusual for co-conspirators to all lie in their
testimony. *Now, I'm not saying Popo lied because I don't know what he
said. But, it's possible.

Candyass.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on leaving the
room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly amongst some
folks engaged in criminal activity.

Tonight Popo sleeps with the fishes.

More likely with his girlfriend.

Candyass.

I've been trying to figure out why Lafferty wanted to
see a photo of Popovych being served with his
grand jury subpoena - I mean, what could such a
picture possibly prove, or how could it be used as
evidence in the Crusade?

I finally figured it out. The picture is important because
Lafferty thinks (not unreasonably) that it might tell us
whether Popo's girlfriend looks like Lance's Mom.

Fredmaster Ben

On Nov 5, 9:51*pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:

I've been trying to figure out why Lafferty wanted to
see a photo of Popovych being served with his
grand jury subpoena - I mean, what could such a
picture possibly prove, or how could it be used as
evidence in the Crusade?

I finally figured it out. *The picture is important because
Lafferty thinks (not unreasonably) that it might tell us
whether Popo's girlfriend looks like Lance's Mom.

I think L'enema will have to find new wanking material elsewhere.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonath..._b_778654.html

R

BLafferty" wrote in message
... On 11/5/2010
12:23 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 11/5/2010 10:17 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:39 pm, wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/popo...ing-doping?ns_...

And that from the man who was total crap at Lotto...I guess that
helped him not joining the ranks of the ex-uniballer mountain
henchmen
to fall for doping, I guess there aren't too many around, let's
see...Rubiera only comes to mind for now.

Yeah, this theory that all of LA's teammates were going to be so
terrified of the GJ that they'd all just roll over and spill the
beans
just isn't working out, is it?

Brad Anders

Brad, could you post a copy of the grand jury transcript of Popo's
testimony? You really have no idea what's going down in the Grand
Jury
room. It's not at all unusual for co-conspirators to all lie in
their
testimony. Now, I'm not saying Popo lied because I don't know what
he
said. But, it's possible.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness
testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on leaving
the room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly amongst
some folks engaged in criminal activity.

Most deadly scenes are unpleasant, for at least one of the parties
involved.

If you're right, the feds have better orchestrate serving Lance like
they did Popo, and make sure to do so in a liberal state where it's
less
likely Lance will be surrounded by supporters with guns.

So were you holding back on this scenario or what? I don't recall you
previously suggesting that Lance's accusers could meet an untimely
demise.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


I haven't suggested any such think. My reference was to certain folks
involved in another type of organized crime.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness
testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on leaving
the room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly amongst
some folks engaged in criminal activity.

So then this was *not* one of those times where someone might not be
truthful about how he/she testified?

I get the point that you're trying to construct a scenario in which the
grand jury participant is scared to talk about what he said. But you
haven't explained why that would be the case for this situation. You've
only produced an over-the-top situation that you say isn't appropriate.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

On 11/6/2010 4:06 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
... On 11/5/2010
12:23 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 11/5/2010 10:17 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:39 pm, wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/popo...ing-doping?ns_...

And that from the man who was total crap at Lotto...I guess that
helped him not joining the ranks of the ex-uniballer mountain
henchmen
to fall for doping, I guess there aren't too many around, let's
see...Rubiera only comes to mind for now.

Yeah, this theory that all of LA's teammates were going to be so
terrified of the GJ that they'd all just roll over and spill the
beans
just isn't working out, is it?

Brad Anders

Brad, could you post a copy of the grand jury transcript of Popo's
testimony? You really have no idea what's going down in the Grand
Jury
room. It's not at all unusual for co-conspirators to all lie in
their
testimony. Now, I'm not saying Popo lied because I don't know what
he
said. But, it's possible.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness
testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on leaving
the room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly amongst
some folks engaged in criminal activity.

Most deadly scenes are unpleasant, for at least one of the parties
involved.

If you're right, the feds have better orchestrate serving Lance like
they did Popo, and make sure to do so in a liberal state where it's
less
likely Lance will be surrounded by supporters with guns.

So were you holding back on this scenario or what? I don't recall you
previously suggesting that Lance's accusers could meet an untimely
demise.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


I haven't suggested any such think. My reference was to certain folks
involved in another type of organized crime.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness
testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on leaving
the room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly amongst
some folks engaged in criminal activity.

So then this was *not* one of those times where someone might not be
truthful about how he/she testified?

Don't know. We have no idea what he actually said to the Grand Jury.
Sometimes, GJ witnesses inadvertently give the government additional
leads to pursue. So really, there are just a lot of questions.
Eventually, the GJ testimony will all come out.

I get the point that you're trying to construct a scenario in which the
grand jury participant is scared to talk about what he said. But you
haven't explained why that would be the case for this situation. You've
only produced an over-the-top situation that you say isn't appropriate.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

On 11/6/2010 1:42 AM, RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 5, 9:51 pm, Fredmaster of wrote:

I've been trying to figure out why Lafferty wanted to
see a photo of Popovych being served with his
grand jury subpoena - I mean, what could such a
picture possibly prove, or how could it be used as
evidence in the Crusade?

I finally figured it out. The picture is important because
Lafferty thinks (not unreasonably) that it might tell us
whether Popo's girlfriend looks like Lance's Mom.

I think L'enema will have to find new wanking material elsewhere.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonath..._b_778654.html

R

Mr. Littman is very much a Lance apologist in the guise of curmudgeon.
Look at his 9/30 piece and my comment to it.

On Nov 6, 8:06*am, BLafferty wrote:
On 11/6/2010 1:42 AM, RicodJour wrote:





On Nov 5, 9:51 pm, Fredmaster of *wrote:

I've been trying to figure out why Lafferty wanted to
see a photo of Popovych being served with his
grand jury subpoena - I mean, what could such a
picture possibly prove, or how could it be used as
evidence in the Crusade?

I finally figured it out. *The picture is important because
Lafferty thinks (not unreasonably) that it might tell us
whether Popo's girlfriend looks like Lance's Mom.

I think L'enema will have to find new wanking material elsewhere.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonath...mstrong-ambush...

R

Mr. Littman is very much a Lance apologist in the guise of curmudgeon.
Look at his 9/30 piece and my comment to it.

I saw your comment didn't garner you any fans, Brian. I guess most
people don't appreciate gestapo-style intimidation tactics.
"A casually dressed woman flashed a badge" after two vehicles stopped
Popo's car. Wow. That's why those in the public eye tend to hire
bodyguards.

I also saw the "hubris" part. Good, you are in touch with your real
motivations here. The list of alleged offenses is just a means to an
end.
Novitsky is known to have a similar hatred (to yours for Lance
Armstrong) of Barry Bonds.
So, here we are, back to square one: "Brian Lafferty doesn't like
Lance Armstrong because Lance Armstrong has a big head in the opinion
of Brian Lafferty".

Following the description of events given: "Agents" who don't identify
themselves, grab door handles, block free passage? How many unlawful
acts were committed in a simple serving of papers? Along with
Novitsky's illegally seizing evidence and then holding on to said
evidence in spite of repeated "requests" to give it up, bragging about
book deals, intimidation of witnesses, it would appear there is enough
hubris to go around in this affair.

And threats jail sentences, too. Well, OK: Let's start with Lemond.
How much of that potential year in the slammer should Greggo get for
taping Stephanie without her permission, and then making the content
public, Brian? How about a month or so behind bars, just to make it
real, and then 400 hours of supervised community service? No, not
riding his bicycle in some self-serving bull**** "giving back"
publicity stunt, but dressed in an orange jump suit and assigned to
pick up trash along his adopted hometown's roadways?

Sounds good to me. "He broke the law!"
--D-y

"BLafferty" wrote in message
...
On 11/6/2010 4:06 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
... On 11/5/2010
12:23 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 11/5/2010 10:17 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:39 pm, wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/popo...ing-doping?ns_...

And that from the man who was total crap at Lotto...I guess that
helped him not joining the ranks of the ex-uniballer mountain
henchmen
to fall for doping, I guess there aren't too many around, let's
see...Rubiera only comes to mind for now.

Yeah, this theory that all of LA's teammates were going to be so
terrified of the GJ that they'd all just roll over and spill the
beans
just isn't working out, is it?

Brad Anders

Brad, could you post a copy of the grand jury transcript of Popo's
testimony? You really have no idea what's going down in the Grand
Jury
room. It's not at all unusual for co-conspirators to all lie in
their
testimony. Now, I'm not saying Popo lied because I don't know
what
he
said. But, it's possible.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness
testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on
leaving
the room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly
amongst
some folks engaged in criminal activity.

Most deadly scenes are unpleasant, for at least one of the parties
involved.

If you're right, the feds have better orchestrate serving Lance
like
they did Popo, and make sure to do so in a liberal state where it's
less
likely Lance will be surrounded by supporters with guns.

So were you holding back on this scenario or what? I don't recall
you
previously suggesting that Lance's accusers could meet an untimely
demise.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


I haven't suggested any such think. My reference was to certain
folks
involved in another type of organized crime.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness
testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on
leaving
the room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly
amongst
some folks engaged in criminal activity.

So then this was *not* one of those times where someone might not be
truthful about how he/she testified?

Don't know. We have no idea what he actually said to the Grand Jury.
Sometimes, GJ witnesses inadvertently give the government additional
leads to pursue. So really, there are just a lot of questions.
Eventually, the GJ testimony will all come out.

And there's always the possibility that a somewhat-confused witness, one
without a great grasp of English, might be prone to saying something he
really would have thought better of otherwise. Even if that weren't the
case, the room for literal "interpretation" of what he said or meant
might give a lot more ammunition for a prosecutor.


I get the point that you're trying to construct a scenario in which
the
grand jury participant is scared to talk about what he said. But you
haven't explained why that would be the case for this situation.
You've
only produced an over-the-top situation that you say isn't
appropriate.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

On 11/6/2010 11:45 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 11/6/2010 4:06 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
... On 11/5/2010
12:23 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 11/5/2010 10:17 AM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Nov 4, 12:39 pm, wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/popo...ing-doping?ns_...

And that from the man who was total crap at Lotto...I guess that
helped him not joining the ranks of the ex-uniballer mountain
henchmen
to fall for doping, I guess there aren't too many around, let's
see...Rubiera only comes to mind for now.

Yeah, this theory that all of LA's teammates were going to be so
terrified of the GJ that they'd all just roll over and spill the
beans
just isn't working out, is it?

Brad Anders

Brad, could you post a copy of the grand jury transcript of Popo's
testimony? You really have no idea what's going down in the Grand
Jury
room. It's not at all unusual for co-conspirators to all lie in
their
testimony. Now, I'm not saying Popo lied because I don't know
what
he
said. But, it's possible.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness
testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on
leaving
the room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly
amongst
some folks engaged in criminal activity.

Most deadly scenes are unpleasant, for at least one of the parties
involved.

If you're right, the feds have better orchestrate serving Lance
like
they did Popo, and make sure to do so in a liberal state where it's
less
likely Lance will be surrounded by supporters with guns.

So were you holding back on this scenario or what? I don't recall
you
previously suggesting that Lance's accusers could meet an untimely
demise.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


I haven't suggested any such think. My reference was to certain
folks
involved in another type of organized crime.

You should also consider that there are times when a witness
testifies
one way in the room, and denies having testified that way on
leaving
the room. It delays an unpleasant scene which can be deadly
amongst
some folks engaged in criminal activity.

So then this was *not* one of those times where someone might not be
truthful about how he/she testified?

Don't know. We have no idea what he actually said to the Grand Jury.
Sometimes, GJ witnesses inadvertently give the government additional
leads to pursue. So really, there are just a lot of questions.
Eventually, the GJ testimony will all come out.

And there's always the possibility that a somewhat-confused witness, one
without a great grasp of English, might be prone to saying something he
really would have thought better of otherwise. Even if that weren't the
case, the room for literal "interpretation" of what he said or meant
might give a lot more ammunition for a prosecutor.

I have no doubt that Popo was provided with a court certified translator.