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Another impatient driver
On Nov 14, 10:08*am, "GT" wrote:
"Mr. Benn" wrote in message ... "Simon Mason" *wrote in message .uk... Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little old lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost" time back, then has to slam on the anchors at a zebra where I pass him anyway. What is that all about? http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv ====================================== Same as you. *He's doing a time trial. At 17 seconds, there was a lady waiting to cross the road. Had you any anticipation or been reading the road, you should have stopped. At 27 seconds the car was correctly stopped at the zebra crossing for a pedestrian. You went through the crossing while the person was still crossing. The only reason you went past the car at that point (which you promote) is because you were failing to observe the rules. The rule on overtaking at zig zag lines only applies to motor vehicles, look it up. At 34 seconds you nearly ran down a pedestrian in exactly the same way as your complaint about the car at the beginning. Yes, of course I did. I am always "nearly" running people over - I never have hit anyone in 80000 miles though. This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads. What are you on about? I passed my motorcycle test in 1977 after having had no training nor a single lesson. In 1981, I passed my car test with no school lessons either, it was very common in those days. In contrast, I passed two cycling proficiency tests, so I have had more training for riding my bike than I ever did for a car or motorbike. -- Simon Mason |
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Another impatient driver
On 14/11/2011 10:08, GT wrote:
"Mr. wrote in message ... "Simon Mason" wrote in message . uk... Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little old lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost" time back, then has to slam on the anchors at a zebra where I pass him anyway. What is that all about? http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv ====================================== Same as you. He's doing a time trial. At 17 seconds, there was a lady waiting to cross the road. Had you any anticipation or been reading the road, you should have stopped. At 27 seconds the car was correctly stopped at the zebra crossing for a pedestrian. You went through the crossing while the person was still crossing. The only reason you went past the car at that point (which you promote) is because you were failing to observe the rules. At 34 seconds you nearly ran down a pedestrian in exactly the same way as your complaint about the car at the beginning. This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads. Not a bad idea but it would be even better of drivers had to undergo cycle training too. How many cyclists kill and injure drivers? How many drivers kill and injure cyclists? How many cyclists kill and injure pedestrians? How many drivers kill and injure pedestrians? How many cyclists kill and injure kids going to school? How many drivers kill and injure kids going to school? There may be issues with cyclists, but in contrast the bigger issue is crap drivers on the road. And there are a lot of them. -- Simon For personal replies, please use my reply-to address. |
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Another impatient driver
"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
... On 14/11/2011 10:08, GT wrote: This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads. Not a bad idea but it would be even better of drivers had to undergo cycle training too. How many cyclists kill and injure drivers? How many drivers kill and injure cyclists? How many cyclists kill and injure pedestrians? How many drivers kill and injure pedestrians? How many cyclists kill and injure kids going to school? How many drivers kill and injure kids going to school? There may be issues with cyclists, but in contrast the bigger issue is crap drivers on the road. And there are a lot of them. ========================================= There are a lot of bad drivers on the road which is a good reason cyclists should ride defensively, not aggressively. |
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Another impatient driver
On 14/11/2011 10:43, Mr. Benn wrote:
"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message ... On 14/11/2011 10:08, GT wrote: This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads. Not a bad idea but it would be even better of drivers had to undergo cycle training too. How many cyclists kill and injure drivers? How many drivers kill and injure cyclists? How many cyclists kill and injure pedestrians? How many drivers kill and injure pedestrians? How many cyclists kill and injure kids going to school? How many drivers kill and injure kids going to school? There may be issues with cyclists, but in contrast the bigger issue is crap drivers on the road. And there are a lot of them. ========================================= There are a lot of bad drivers on the road which is a good reason cyclists should ride defensively, not aggressively. I agree. Problem is, what one cyclist may see as defensive, a driver without knowledge of cycling might see as arrogant. That’s why we need better training for drivers. -- Simon For personal replies, please use my reply-to address. |
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Another impatient driver
On 14/11/2011 10:43, Mr. Benn wrote:
"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message ... On 14/11/2011 10:08, GT wrote: This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads. Not a bad idea but it would be even better of drivers had to undergo cycle training too. How many cyclists kill and injure drivers? How many drivers kill and injure cyclists? How many cyclists kill and injure pedestrians? How many drivers kill and injure pedestrians? How many cyclists kill and injure kids going to school? How many drivers kill and injure kids going to school? There may be issues with cyclists, but in contrast the bigger issue is crap drivers on the road. And there are a lot of them. ========================================= There are a lot of bad drivers on the road which is a good reason cyclists should ride defensively, not aggressively. FWIW I also have received formal training on bikes and motorbikes which is backed up with years of experience gained over a lot of miles. I also am licensed to drive cars and have an unrestricted motorcycle licence. Most drivers cannot say they are as experienced or qualified as I am as a cyclist. They are not. Most do not cycle. Most have no motorcycle experience. Most it seems, have had no formal training in either. -- Simon For personal replies, please use my reply-to address. |
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Another impatient driver
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:58:53 +0000, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:00:08 +0000, Adam Lea wrote: On 13/11/11 10:51, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:12:40 -0000, "Mr. Benn" wrote: "Simon Mason" wrote in message ... On Nov 13, 9:55 am, Tony wrote: On 13/11/2011 08:54, Simon Mason wrote: Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little old lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost" time back, then has to slam on the anchors at a zebra where I pass him anyway. What is that all about? http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv Remind me, what's the rule about overtaking on the zig zags of a crossing? The rule is that it only applies to motor vehicles as you well know :-) It has been done to death on this NG for many years. ============================================= Is overtaking on zig-zags considered to be good cycling practice? If done safely, yes. The head of a traffic queue is the safest place to be in a traffic queue. I do wonder about this, surely if you are at the head of the queue then you have more vehicles behind trying to get past you when the lights go green than if you were to wait in the queue? Not to mention the additional risk of getting to the front in the first place. I suppose the back of a traffic queue is even safer, but at some point a cyclist is going to want to make progress, and better to filter past stationary cars than have moving cars filter past a moving cyclist. Why use the word "filter" when what you mean is "overtake"? |
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Another impatient driver
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:10:32 +0000, Bertie Wooster wrote:
snip Filtering on the inside past side roads is fraught with dangers. I'd certa You keep using this term "filtering" - could you perhaps point me to the official definition of what it means please. |
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Another impatient driver
On Nov 14, 10:54*am, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote: On 14/11/2011 10:43, Mr. Benn wrote: "Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message ... On 14/11/2011 10:08, GT wrote: This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads. Not a bad idea but it would be even better of drivers had to undergo cycle training too. How many cyclists kill and injure drivers? How many drivers kill and injure cyclists? How many cyclists kill and injure pedestrians? How many drivers kill and injure pedestrians? How many cyclists kill and injure kids going to school? How many drivers kill and injure kids going to school? There may be issues with cyclists, but in contrast the bigger issue is crap drivers on the road. And there are a lot of them. ========================================= There are a lot of bad drivers on the road which is a good reason cyclists should ride defensively, not aggressively. I agree. Problem is, what one cyclist may see as defensive, a driver without knowledge of cycling might see as arrogant. That’s why we need better training for drivers. -- Simon For personal replies, please use my reply-to address.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Maybe the answer is compulsory IAM sponsored advanced driver training like the ones my employer insists on. We have to do a refresher course every 3 years. -- Simon Mason |
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Another impatient driver
Judith wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:58:53 +0000, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:00:08 +0000, Adam Lea wrote: On 13/11/11 10:51, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:12:40 -0000, "Mr. Benn" wrote: "Simon Mason" wrote in message ... On Nov 13, 9:55 am, Tony wrote: On 13/11/2011 08:54, Simon Mason wrote: Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little old lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost" time back, then has to slam on the anchors at a zebra where I pass him anyway. What is that all about? http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv Remind me, what's the rule about overtaking on the zig zags of a crossing? The rule is that it only applies to motor vehicles as you well know :-) It has been done to death on this NG for many years. ============================================= Is overtaking on zig-zags considered to be good cycling practice? If done safely, yes. The head of a traffic queue is the safest place to be in a traffic queue. I do wonder about this, surely if you are at the head of the queue then you have more vehicles behind trying to get past you when the lights go green than if you were to wait in the queue? Not to mention the additional risk of getting to the front in the first place. I suppose the back of a traffic queue is even safer, but at some point a cyclist is going to want to make progress, and better to filter past stationary cars than have moving cars filter past a moving cyclist. Why use the word "filter" when what you mean is "overtake"? "Filtering" is when selfish cyclists weave in and out and between and past vehicles, often causing damage, danger and annoyance in the process. |
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Another impatient driver
"Simon Mason" wrote in message
... On Nov 14, 10:08 am, "GT" wrote: "Mr. Benn" wrote in message ... "Simon Mason" wrote in message .uk... Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little old lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost" time back, then has to slam on the anchors at a zebra where I pass him anyway. What is that all about? http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv ====================================== Same as you. He's doing a time trial. At 17 seconds, there was a lady waiting to cross the road. Had you any anticipation or been reading the road, you should have stopped. At 27 seconds the car was correctly stopped at the zebra crossing for a pedestrian. You went through the crossing while the person was still crossing. The only reason you went past the car at that point (which you promote) is because you were failing to observe the rules. The rule on overtaking at zig zag lines only applies to motor vehicles, look it up. == reply == I didn't mention the rule about overtaking on 'zig zag' lines. I was talking about you breaking rule 198 in the HC. At 34 seconds you nearly ran down a pedestrian in exactly the same way as your complaint about the car at the beginning. Yes, of course I did. I am always "nearly" running people over - I never have hit anyone in 80000 miles though. == reply == the car driver that you complain about didn't hit the lady either, so I don't see why you complain about the car doing the same as you? If you are always "nearly" running people over, then you should drive/ride less aggresively and try to use some anticipation. I would suggest a few lessons with a person qualified to use the public highway should help you. This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads. What are you on about? I passed my motorcycle test in 1977 after having had no training nor a single lesson. In 1981, I passed my car test with no school lessons either, it was very common in those days. In contrast, I passed two cycling proficiency tests, so I have had more training for riding my bike than I ever did for a car or motorbike. == reply == A simple refresher course should be fine to bring you back up to standard then. The videos you post does not demonstrate safe HC standards. Not even legal standards at times. |
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