Another impatient driver

On Nov 14, 4:25*pm, "GT" wrote:


What are you on about?
I passed my motorcycle test in 1977 after having had no training nor a
single lesson. In 1981, I passed my car test with no school lessons
either, it was very common in those days. In contrast, I passed two
cycling proficiency tests, so I have had more training for riding my
bike than I ever did for a car or motorbike.

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A simple refresher course should be fine to bring you back up to standard
then. The videos you post does not demonstrate safe HC standards. Not even
legal standards at times.- Hide quoted text -

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I have to do a IAM full day advanced driving course every 3 years as a
condition set by my employers.
I always pass with flying colours, no doubt due to the experience I
have gained in driving in 33 different European countries with all of
their different rules and laws.

--
Simon Mason

On 14/11/2011 16:03, Mrcheerful wrote:
Judith wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:58:53 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:00:08 +0000, Adam
wrote:

On 13/11/11 10:51, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:12:40 -0000, "Mr. Benn"
wrote:

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
...

On Nov 13, 9:55 am, Tony
wrote:
On 13/11/2011 08:54, Simon Mason wrote:

Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little
old lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost"
time back, then has to slam on the anchors at a zebra where I
pass him anyway.

What is that all about?

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv

Remind me, what's the rule about overtaking on the zig zags of a
crossing?

The rule is that it only applies to motor vehicles as you well
know :-)
It has been done to death on this NG for many years.
=============================================

Is overtaking on zig-zags considered to be good cycling practice?

If done safely, yes. The head of a traffic queue is the safest
place to be in a traffic queue.

I do wonder about this, surely if you are at the head of the queue
then you have more vehicles behind trying to get past you when the
lights go green than if you were to wait in the queue? Not to
mention the additional risk of getting to the front in the first
place.

I suppose the back of a traffic queue is even safer, but at some
point a cyclist is going to want to make progress, and better to
filter past stationary cars than have moving cars filter past a
moving cyclist.


Why use the word "filter" when what you mean is "overtake"?

"Filtering" is when selfish cyclists weave in and out and between and past
vehicles, often causing damage, danger and annoyance in the process.



Sorry Mr C but filtering is simply where two wheeled vehicles pass slow
or stationary traffic to get ahead of the traffic. Needs to be done with
caution, needs to be done with care. Strange as it may seem, it does
actually annoy some drivers who are stuck in traffic as they see it as
“unfair”. Simple answer is to get a bike.

--
Simon
For personal replies, please use my reply-to address.

Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 14/11/2011 16:03, Mrcheerful wrote:
Judith wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:58:53 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:00:08 +0000, Adam
wrote:

On 13/11/11 10:51, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:12:40 -0000, "Mr. Benn"
wrote:

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
...

On Nov 13, 9:55 am, Tony
wrote:
On 13/11/2011 08:54, Simon Mason wrote:

Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little
old lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost"
time back, then has to slam on the anchors at a zebra where I
pass him anyway.

What is that all about?

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv

Remind me, what's the rule about overtaking on the zig zags of
a crossing?

The rule is that it only applies to motor vehicles as you well
know :-)
It has been done to death on this NG for many years.
=============================================

Is overtaking on zig-zags considered to be good cycling
practice?

If done safely, yes. The head of a traffic queue is the safest
place to be in a traffic queue.

I do wonder about this, surely if you are at the head of the queue
then you have more vehicles behind trying to get past you when the
lights go green than if you were to wait in the queue? Not to
mention the additional risk of getting to the front in the first
place.

I suppose the back of a traffic queue is even safer, but at some
point a cyclist is going to want to make progress, and better to
filter past stationary cars than have moving cars filter past a
moving cyclist.


Why use the word "filter" when what you mean is "overtake"?

"Filtering" is when selfish cyclists weave in and out and between
and past vehicles, often causing damage, danger and annoyance in the
process.

Sorry Mr C but filtering is simply where two wheeled vehicles pass
slow or stationary traffic to get ahead of the traffic. Needs to be
done with caution, needs to be done with care. Strange as it may
seem, it does actually annoy some drivers who are stuck in traffic as
they see it as “unfair”. Simple answer is to get a bike.

in which case it would be called overtaking, it is called filtering because
of the similarity to pouring liguid through a filter medium, it twists and
turns finding the gaps between to travel through.

"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
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On 14/11/2011 10:43, Mr. Benn wrote:
"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
...

On 14/11/2011 10:08, GT wrote:

This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same
testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads.



Not a bad idea but it would be even better of drivers had to undergo
cycle training too. How many cyclists kill and injure drivers? How many
drivers kill and injure cyclists? How many cyclists kill and injure
pedestrians? How many drivers kill and injure pedestrians? How many
cyclists kill and injure kids going to school? How many drivers kill and
injure kids going to school? There may be issues with cyclists, but in
contrast the bigger issue is crap drivers on the road. And there are a
lot of them.
=========================================

There are a lot of bad drivers on the road which is a good reason
cyclists should ride defensively, not aggressively.

I agree.

Problem is, what one cyclist may see as defensive, a driver without
knowledge of cycling might see as arrogant. That’s why we need better
training for drivers.
============================

I agree. And mandatory training for cyclists which I hope you'll agree
with.

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
...

On Nov 14, 10:54 am, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote:
On 14/11/2011 10:43, Mr. Benn wrote:





"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
...

On 14/11/2011 10:08, GT wrote:

This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the
same
testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads.

Not a bad idea but it would be even better of drivers had to undergo
cycle training too. How many cyclists kill and injure drivers? How many
drivers kill and injure cyclists? How many cyclists kill and injure
pedestrians? How many drivers kill and injure pedestrians? How many
cyclists kill and injure kids going to school? How many drivers kill and
injure kids going to school? There may be issues with cyclists, but in
contrast the bigger issue is crap drivers on the road. And there are a
lot of them.
=========================================

There are a lot of bad drivers on the road which is a good reason
cyclists should ride defensively, not aggressively.

I agree.

Problem is, what one cyclist may see as defensive, a driver without
knowledge of cycling might see as arrogant. That’s why we need better
training for drivers.

--
Simon
For personal replies, please use my reply-to address.- Hide quoted text -

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Maybe the answer is compulsory IAM sponsored advanced driver training
like the ones my employer insists on.
We have to do a refresher course every 3 years.
==========================================

What the **** is going on? I agree with you.

GT wrote:
"Simon Mason" wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 10:08 am, "GT" wrote:
"Mr. Benn" wrote in message

...

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
. uk...

Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little old
lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost" time back,
then has to
slam on the anchors at a zebra where I pass him anyway.

What is that all about?

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv
======================================

Same as you. He's doing a time trial.

At 17 seconds, there was a lady waiting to cross the road. Had you
any anticipation or been reading the road, you should have stopped.
At 27 seconds the car was correctly stopped at the zebra crossing
for a pedestrian. You went through the crossing while the person was
still crossing. The only reason you went past the car at that point
(which you promote) is because you were failing to observe the rules.

The rule on overtaking at zig zag lines only applies to motor
vehicles, look it up.

== reply ==
I didn't mention the rule about overtaking on 'zig zag' lines. I was
talking about you breaking rule 198 in the HC.

At 34 seconds you
nearly ran down a pedestrian in exactly the same way as your
complaint about
the car at the beginning.

Yes, of course I did. I am always "nearly" running people over - I
never have hit anyone in 80000 miles though.

== reply ==
the car driver that you complain about didn't hit the lady either, so
I don't see why you complain about the car doing the same as you? If
you are always "nearly" running people over, then you should
drive/ride less aggresively and try to use some anticipation. I would
suggest a few lessons with a person qualified to use the public
highway should help you.

This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the
same testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads.

What are you on about?
I passed my motorcycle test in 1977 after having had no training nor a
single lesson. In 1981, I passed my car test with no school lessons
either, it was very common in those days. In contrast, I passed two
cycling proficiency tests, so I have had more training for riding my
bike than I ever did for a car or motorbike.


== reply ==
A simple refresher course should be fine to bring you back up to
standard then. The videos you post does not demonstrate safe HC
standards. Not even legal standards at times.

Overtaking on zigzags by bicycles can still be prosecuted as dangerous or
careless cycling (2,500 or 1000 pounds fine)

On 14/11/2011 16:59, Mr. Benn wrote:
"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
...

On 14/11/2011 10:43, Mr. Benn wrote:
"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
...

On 14/11/2011 10:08, GT wrote:

This is another video demonstrating why cyclists should undergo the same
testing as car drivers before being allowed on the public roads.



Not a bad idea but it would be even better of drivers had to undergo
cycle training too. How many cyclists kill and injure drivers? How many
drivers kill and injure cyclists? How many cyclists kill and injure
pedestrians? How many drivers kill and injure pedestrians? How many
cyclists kill and injure kids going to school? How many drivers kill and
injure kids going to school? There may be issues with cyclists, but in
contrast the bigger issue is crap drivers on the road. And there are a
lot of them.
=========================================

There are a lot of bad drivers on the road which is a good reason
cyclists should ride defensively, not aggressively.

I agree.

Problem is, what one cyclist may see as defensive, a driver without
knowledge of cycling might see as arrogant. That’s why we need better
training for drivers.
============================

I agree. And mandatory training for cyclists which I hope you'll agree
with.

I do, and the reason I do is because cyclists are a danger to themselves
when they mingle with traffic and do not have a clue what they are
doing. In this case, having a driving licence really is not enough. They
really do need cycle or motorcycle training.

--
Simon
For personal replies, please use my reply-to address.

On 14/11/2011 16:59, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 14/11/2011 16:03, Mrcheerful wrote:
Judith wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:58:53 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:00:08 +0000, Adam
wrote:

On 13/11/11 10:51, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:12:40 -0000, "Mr. Benn"
wrote:

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
...

On Nov 13, 9:55 am, Tony
wrote:
On 13/11/2011 08:54, Simon Mason wrote:

Boy racer hurtles away from the lights, nearly hits a little
old lady crossing the road, then floors it to get the "lost"
time back, then has to slam on the anchors at a zebra where I
pass him anyway.

What is that all about?

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/impatient.wmv

Remind me, what's the rule about overtaking on the zig zags of
a crossing?

The rule is that it only applies to motor vehicles as you well
know :-)
It has been done to death on this NG for many years.
=============================================

Is overtaking on zig-zags considered to be good cycling
practice?

If done safely, yes. The head of a traffic queue is the safest
place to be in a traffic queue.

I do wonder about this, surely if you are at the head of the queue
then you have more vehicles behind trying to get past you when the
lights go green than if you were to wait in the queue? Not to
mention the additional risk of getting to the front in the first
place.

I suppose the back of a traffic queue is even safer, but at some
point a cyclist is going to want to make progress, and better to
filter past stationary cars than have moving cars filter past a
moving cyclist.


Why use the word "filter" when what you mean is "overtake"?

"Filtering" is when selfish cyclists weave in and out and between
and past vehicles, often causing damage, danger and annoyance in the
process.

Sorry Mr C but filtering is simply where two wheeled vehicles pass
slow or stationary traffic to get ahead of the traffic. Needs to be
done with caution, needs to be done with care. Strange as it may
seem, it does actually annoy some drivers who are stuck in traffic as
they see it as “unfair”. Simple answer is to get a bike.

in which case it would be called overtaking, it is called filtering because
of the similarity to pouring liguid through a filter medium, it twists and
turns finding the gaps between to travel through.



No, filtering is filtering. It is entirely different with a different
set of hazards. Which motorcycle training course did you attend?

Don’t tell me, you have not attended one …


--
Simon
For personal replies, please use my reply-to address.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:21:35 +0000, Judith
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:10:32 +0000, Bertie Wooster wrote:

snip


Filtering on the inside past side roads is fraught with dangers. I'd
certa

You keep using this term "filtering" - could you perhaps point me to the
official definition of what it means please.

fil·ter/'filter/
Verb:
Pass (a bike, tricycle or other human powered machine) past a queue of
slow moving or stationary motor vehicles.

On Nov 14, 5:36 pm, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:21:35 +0000, Judith
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:10:32 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip

Filtering on the inside past side roads is fraught with dangers. I'd
certa

You keep using this term "filtering" - could you perhaps point me to the
official definition of what it means please.

fil·ter/'filter/
Verb:
Pass (a bike, tricycle or other human powered machine) past a queue of
slow moving or stationary motor vehicles.

And of course now fully sanctioned in the latest Highway Code.

--
Simon Mason