A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????

Freewheeling wrote:

If we can't agree that it's time to end tyranny and totalitarianism it's
doubtful that we'll ever be able to coordinate resolution of any of these
other "wicked problems" that face us.

The real threats are integrated headsets, ISO 587-mm (700D) tires, and
top posting to Usenet groups.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Freewheeling wrote:

The Copperheads during the Civil War weren't really "pro-slavery," but the
effect of their policies would have been to extend the institution of
slavery more or less indefinitely. There are two things about the western
left that drives their politics. One is rage at the utter bankruptcy of the
socialist demonstration projects (and the relative success of the
demonstration projects for market capitalism, especially in Chile and other
parts of the southern cone). The other is the conviction that
Islamo/Fascism will be easy to control once the US is out of the way....

I see you just can't help ****ing on the newsgroup with your right-wing
opinions.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Didn't start it, Ace.

--
--Scott
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Freewheeling wrote:

The Copperheads during the Civil War weren't really "pro-slavery," but
the effect of their policies would have been to extend the institution of
slavery more or less indefinitely. There are two things about the
western left that drives their politics. One is rage at the utter
bankruptcy of the socialist demonstration projects (and the relative
success of the demonstration projects for market capitalism, especially
in Chile and other parts of the southern cone). The other is the
conviction that Islamo/Fascism will be easy to control once the US is out
of the way....

I see you just can't help ****ing on the newsgroup with your right-wing
opinions.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

I'm curious as to why you didn't attempt to redirect or hijack the thread at
a point where someone on the left had made some lame observation about blood
for oil, or something? That doesn't seem to catch your attention.

My point is very simple, and I thought rather nonpartisan. I can, frankly,
find no reason why the notion of national sovereignty seems so sacrosanct to
the left only when the "intruder" is a democratic regime change, but they
apparently haven't raised much of a stink over the fate of Lebanon all these
years, which is, even by their standards, an illegitimate occupation without
even the pretense of national determination. I've watched various people on
the left and it seems to me that although a very small minority are
consistent on this sort of issue (Kouchner and Hitchens, for example) most
are not. Now it seems to me that if democracy were really as important to
the "Democracy Now" folks as they claim, they'd be able to tolerate the kind
of intervention by the US that deposes a tyrant, at least to the point that
the citizens of that country make what appears to be a reasonably uncoerced
choice.

But they don't.

And I therefore have to conclude... am forced do conclude, that "democracy"
is only considered a good thing if it makes politically correct choices.
Otherwise its some sort of "false consciousness."

So anyway, the topic of this thread is what it is. If you don't like it,
you don't have to read it.

--
--Scott
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Freewheeling wrote:

If we can't agree that it's time to end tyranny and totalitarianism it's
doubtful that we'll ever be able to coordinate resolution of any of
these other "wicked problems" that face us.

The real threats are integrated headsets, ISO 587-mm (700D) tires, and top
posting to Usenet groups.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Freewheeling wrote:

Didn't start it, Ace.

No, but you changed the subject from oil to taking potshots at those who
disagree with your OPINIONS on market capitalism and US military
intervention in foreign countries.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Nomad never said that.


Error is inconsistent with my prime functions.

Wrong newsgroup, pal. Take it elsewhere. Don't bother responding; I won't
see it.

R

p-p-p-plonkage

"Freewheeling" wrote in message
...
I'm curious as to why you didn't attempt to redirect or hijack the thread
at a point where someone on the left had made some lame observation about
blood for oil, or something? That doesn't seem to catch your attention.

My point is very simple, and I thought rather nonpartisan. I can,
frankly, find no reason why the notion of national sovereignty seems so
sacrosanct to the left only when the "intruder" is a democratic regime
change, but they apparently haven't raised much of a stink over the fate
of Lebanon all these years, which is, even by their standards, an
illegitimate occupation without even the pretense of national
determination. I've watched various people on the left and it seems to me
that although a very small minority are consistent on this sort of issue
(Kouchner and Hitchens, for example) most are not. Now it seems to me
that if democracy were really as important to the Democracy Now" folks as
they claim, they'd be able to tolerate the kind of intervention by the US
that deposes a tyrant, at least to the point that the citizens of that
country make what appears to be a reasonably uncoerced choice.

But they don't.

And I therefore have to conclude... am forced do conclude, that
"democracy" is only considered a good thing if it makes politically
correct choices. Otherwise its some sort of "false consciousness."

So anyway, the topic of this thread is what it is. If you don't like it,
you don't have to read it.

--
--Scott
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Freewheeling wrote:

If we can't agree that it's time to end tyranny and totalitarianism it's
doubtful that we'll ever be able to coordinate resolution of any of
these other "wicked problems" that face us.

The real threats are integrated headsets, ISO 587-mm (700D) tires, and
top posting to Usenet groups.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Subject: A.R.B.R. ain't dead yet??????
Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
= rocketman = wrote:

Sorry, G.M. Though there is considerable disagreement about the near-term
effects of peak oil, virtually everyone agrees that there is no way to
prevent the collapse of "modern" societies as we know them.

Well yes, the decline of every society that was/is "modern" is inevitable. The
USA just happens to be in the "limelight" right now. I figure She has another
few centuries to go before "the tables are turned".


(BTW that term "limelight" originated because crushed limestone, 'calcium
carbonate' gives off light energy when heated, it was used to light theater
stages in the 19'th century. Also referred to as a 'magic lantern', actors that
did night shows in that illumination were "in the limelight".)



When the oil
runs out, the party is over.

The author is not really talking about oil "running out", he is pointing out a
cost-to-benefit ratio that is fiscally unsound to pump more oil.



It's extremely unlikely (read: damned near
impossible) that a new technology or new gigantic oil reserve will stave off
the demise of modern society.

Oh yeah? What do base that on?


I figure by 2015, I'll be amazed if ordinary
Americans can afford to drive SUV's and heat their McMansions. By that time,
100,000+ US soldiers will have died securing oil for our dying empire, under
the cynical guise of fighting the "war on terror." Social security will be
gone. Don't plan for it.


Who's being "cynical" now? There are alternative sources of energy looming, but
even the best prospect, hydrogen fuel cells, need more fossil fuel to produce
then make them economically (and environmentally) feasible.



Think about what the US was like before oil and the combustion engine. Plan
for that scenario. You'll need some horses, chickens, a couple of cows or
goats, a wood stove, a few reliable all-terrain bikes, some land to plant a
garden, and a well for water. Having a big stand of trees nearby would be
extremely useful if you live in a cold climate. If you live in a big house,
better get used to the cold. You probably won't be able to heat it. If you
have a drug-dependent life threatening illness, I'm sorry for you.

I see our world in 50-100 years, that mines critical elements from outside of
our planet. There are a host of prime materials, that can be mined, that orbit
us on asteroids. Additionally, solar power collecting methods have not yet been
tuned to be a viable replacement for fossil fuel. Nuclear fusion is on the
brink of discovery, and usefulness. If the pricks wouldn't have cancelled the
Supercollider project in Texas we would be well on our way. I wonder how CERN
is doing with theirs?





Personally, I'm not worried about being poor. I grew up poor. Subsistence
is sustainable, as billions of people around the world have proven since
time immemorial. However, I am concerned about making sure I end up living
around sane people with a commitment to help each another get through the
rough times by sharing resources, working together, and protecting each
other. Do you know any people like that? I don't know very many.


Don't come to my bunker. I'll shoot ya.


--

-Graham

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Freewheeling wrote:

Well, there are countries experimenting successufully with privatized
road systems. I can direct you to some literature if you like. But
I seriously doubt that such a non-subsidized or minimally subsidized
system would have much room for bicycles.

I am, however, reliably informed that following King Ken the First's
introduction of road pricing in central London, "traffic" dropped by 15-18%
while cycling increased by 33%. Admittedly we actually had a summer in 2003
but even during the dismally damp winter which followed, cycle usage was 20%
higher than before, and Brompton are laughing all the way to the bank.

--

Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

"rocketman" wrote in message
news:z_USd.43912$tl3.20581@attbi_s02...
Wrong newsgroup, pal. Take it elsewhere. Don't bother responding; I
won't see it.

R

p-p-p-plonkage

"Freewheeling" wrote in message
...
I'm curious as to why you didn't attempt to redirect or hijack the thread
at a point where someone on the left had made some lame observation about
blood for oil, or something? That doesn't seem to catch your attention.

My point is very simple, and I thought rather nonpartisan. I can,
frankly, find no reason why the notion of national sovereignty seems so
sacrosanct to the left only when the "intruder" is a democratic regime
change, but they apparently haven't raised much of a stink over the fate
of Lebanon all these years, which is, even by their standards, an
illegitimate occupation without even the pretense of national
determination. I've watched various people on the left and it seems to
me that although a very small minority are consistent on this sort of
issue (Kouchner and Hitchens, for example) most are not. Now it seems to
me that if democracy were really as important to the Democracy Now" folks
as they claim, they'd be able to tolerate the kind of intervention by the
US that deposes a tyrant, at least to the point that the citizens of that
country make what appears to be a reasonably uncoerced choice.

But they don't.

And I therefore have to conclude... am forced do conclude, that
"democracy" is only considered a good thing if it makes politically
correct choices. Otherwise its some sort of "false consciousness."

So anyway, the topic of this thread is what it is. If you don't like it,
you don't have to read it.

--
--Scott
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Freewheeling wrote:

If we can't agree that it's time to end tyranny and totalitarianism
it's doubtful that we'll ever be able to coordinate resolution of any
of these other "wicked problems" that face us.

The real threats are integrated headsets, ISO 587-mm (700D) tires, and
top posting to Usenet groups.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth






Fortunately or unfortunately, however you might view it, I find myself
slipping into this schadedfreude thing by having warm fuzzy feelings about
the misery of
Rocketman/Sherman.

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