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  #11  
Old July 11th 19, 04:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:38 +1000, James wrote:


(In most of Australia it is a legal requirement to wear a helmet. That
in itself could be said to be a change to what you're wearing.)


Unless you've just been up a ladder.
Bacxkground; men over 60 feature significantly in deaths from falling off
a ladder in Australia and I consider a bicycle helment of better use than
those plastic "construction hats".


Ladder manufacturers are too smart to accept promotion of ladder helmets. It
will make use of ladders seem too dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

- Frank Krygowski



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Old July 12th 19, 10:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 2:02:53 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 7:53:10 PM UTC+1, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Some here disparage everyone who dons any bicycling specific clothing. I don't get why they do that disparaging.


It makes them feel superior in the exact proportion the which they can denigrate someone else. It is the sign of a deep inferiority complex.

For the record, I cycle in what I'm wearing, which is usually khaki or cords or a tracksuit, or in a suit and tie if that is what I'm wearing (my bike has been developed to be perfectly clean, zero oil to rub off). The Lycra I like is long trousers that Lidl and Aldi (supermarkets) offer twice a year among bicycle gear of good German quality in at prices where you just give or throw it away if you get it home and it doesn't fit or you don't like it after a trial. The stuff in the "sports" shops which are basically just high priced fashion goods is always inferior to the German stuff. The long lycra pants are cool at the height of the summer. I always wear cotton on top for cycling, in summer a dress shirt with the tails hanging out, in winter longsleeved woodsman's shirts. A proper cycling jacket of a commuting style with adequate pockets is good for carrying a wallet, phone, even my smallest pochade box (a postcard-sized complete painting kit), though in fact I rarely take the pannier basket off my bike, because it is so useful to throw things into, and it also fends off the Range Rover Kamikaze.

If it is so cold that I need to wear long underwear, for long johns I like the Lycra tights sold to motorcyclists, and they've been so successful that I've recently bought some long-sleeved vests in the material as well. My doctor, a cycling pal, put me onto them. The idea is that the pressure increases the flow of blood to your legs. It works. Also, compression stockings, which are similar, are prescribed for high blood pressure, so it works for that as well. All of these benefits from just trying to extend the cycling season without getting chilled to the bone...

Andre Jute
Half-Lycra Louts Unite!


Most of my rides are demanding and nothing is worse than wearing cotton and drenching it with sweat. So I always wear bicycle specific clothing.

But what a person wears on a bike is their business and not mine so I cannot understand why anyone would disparage the clothing of another.
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Old July 13th 19, 08:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Bicycling specific clothing = why not?

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 10:06:19 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:38 +1000, James wrote:


(In most of Australia it is a legal requirement to wear a helmet. That
in itself could be said to be a change to what you're wearing.)


Unless you've just been up a ladder.
Bacxkground; men over 60 feature significantly in deaths from falling off
a ladder in Australia and I consider a bicycle helment of better use than
those plastic "construction hats".


Ladder manufacturers are too smart to accept promotion of ladder helmets. It
will make use of ladders seem too dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

- Frank Krygowski


Mr. Anderon is somewhat interesting.

He tends to drag things out.

So I only watched half of it.

If he believes we should not wear a helmet while biking, I can give him names of folks permanently injured because they chose not to wear a helmet.

I found myself under a ladies car. I am sure that not having a helmet on caused the 5 staples in my head and a concussion and my head bleeding.

Fortunately, a bystander had a handkerchief for the blood and the ambulance was very quick.

Probably would not have helped with my broken wrist

I cringe when I see motorcyclists without helmets. :-(

When looking at videos, always consider the source.

Andy
  #14  
Old July 13th 19, 09:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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Default Bicycling specific clothing = why not?

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:17:11 PM UTC-4, AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 10:06:19 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:38 +1000, James wrote:


(In most of Australia it is a legal requirement to wear a helmet. That
in itself could be said to be a change to what you're wearing.)

Unless you've just been up a ladder.
Bacxkground; men over 60 feature significantly in deaths from falling off
a ladder in Australia and I consider a bicycle helment of better use than
those plastic "construction hats".


Ladder manufacturers are too smart to accept promotion of ladder helmets. It
will make use of ladders seem too dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

- Frank Krygowski


Mr. Anderon is somewhat interesting.

He tends to drag things out.

So I only watched half of it.

If he believes we should not wear a helmet while biking, I can give him names of folks permanently injured because they chose not to wear a helmet.


I can give names of people who died of brain injuries - at least, that was the
most likely cause of death - and who didn't wear helmets. But all the ones I
personally knew were inside cars at the time. That's not unusual, given the
roughly 40,000 annual motorist deaths in this country.

I had one friend who used to ride a motorcycle almost identical to mine, an
antique BMW. He died while wearing a helmet.

I know that the number of pedestrians killed annually in the U.S., Canada,
Britain, Australia (and probably more countries) greatly exceeds the number of
bicyclists killed. As an example, the recent U.S. pedestrian fatality counts
have been approaching 6000. (Bicyclist fatalities are about 800.) I've seen
NEISS data showing that the percentage of fatalities due to brain injury are
about 45% for bikes, about 40% for pedestrians. That means _lots_ more ped
TBI deaths. And other data shows that the pedestrians are at more risk per
mile traveled, too.

And I've had friends who suffered pretty severe (as in, rush to the ER) head
injuries from just walking. They each tripped and fell on their face. Another
good friend just had the same thing happen, but didn't go to ER; she just dealt
with the resulting facial bruises on her own.

When, oh when, are we going to get helmet promotion for pedestrians and motorists?

- Frank Krygowski
  #15  
Old July 13th 19, 10:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:17:11 PM UTC-4, AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 10:06:19 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:38 +1000, James wrote:


(In most of Australia it is a legal requirement to wear a helmet. That
in itself could be said to be a change to what you're wearing.)

Unless you've just been up a ladder.
Bacxkground; men over 60 feature significantly in deaths from falling off
a ladder in Australia and I consider a bicycle helment of better use than
those plastic "construction hats".

Ladder manufacturers are too smart to accept promotion of ladder helmets. It
will make use of ladders seem too dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

- Frank Krygowski


Mr. Anderon is somewhat interesting.

He tends to drag things out.

So I only watched half of it.

If he believes we should not wear a helmet while biking, I can give him names of folks permanently injured because they chose not to wear a helmet.


I can give names of people who died of brain injuries - at least, that was the
most likely cause of death - and who didn't wear helmets. But all the ones I
personally knew were inside cars at the time. That's not unusual, given the
roughly 40,000 annual motorist deaths in this country.

I had one friend who used to ride a motorcycle almost identical to mine, an
antique BMW. He died while wearing a helmet.

I know that the number of pedestrians killed annually in the U.S., Canada,
Britain, Australia (and probably more countries) greatly exceeds the number of
bicyclists killed. As an example, the recent U.S. pedestrian fatality counts
have been approaching 6000. (Bicyclist fatalities are about 800.) I've seen
NEISS data showing that the percentage of fatalities due to brain injury are
about 45% for bikes, about 40% for pedestrians. That means _lots_ more ped
TBI deaths. And other data shows that the pedestrians are at more risk per
mile traveled, too.

And I've had friends who suffered pretty severe (as in, rush to the ER) head
injuries from just walking. They each tripped and fell on their face. Another
good friend just had the same thing happen, but didn't go to ER; she just dealt
with the resulting facial bruises on her own.

When, oh when, are we going to get helmet promotion for pedestrians and motorists?

- Frank Krygowski


Do forgot the cats and dogs too. :-)

Andy
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Old July 13th 19, 11:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Bicycling specific clothing = why not?

On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 12:17:10 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 10:06:19 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:38 +1000, James wrote:


(In most of Australia it is a legal requirement to wear a helmet. That
in itself could be said to be a change to what you're wearing.)

Unless you've just been up a ladder.
Bacxkground; men over 60 feature significantly in deaths from falling off
a ladder in Australia and I consider a bicycle helment of better use than
those plastic "construction hats".


Ladder manufacturers are too smart to accept promotion of ladder helmets. It
will make use of ladders seem too dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

- Frank Krygowski


Mr. Anderon is somewhat interesting.

He tends to drag things out.

So I only watched half of it.

If he believes we should not wear a helmet while biking, I can give him names of folks permanently injured because they chose not to wear a helmet.

I found myself under a ladies car. I am sure that not having a helmet on caused the 5 staples in my head and a concussion and my head bleeding.

Fortunately, a bystander had a handkerchief for the blood and the ambulance was very quick.

Probably would not have helped with my broken wrist

I cringe when I see motorcyclists without helmets. :-(

Why? cyclists of both species rode their two wheeled devices for far
more many years without helmets than with.


When looking at videos, always consider the source.

Andy

--
cheers,

John B.

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Old July 13th 19, 11:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Bicycling specific clothing = why not?

On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:17:11 PM UTC-4, AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 10:06:19 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:38 +1000, James wrote:


(In most of Australia it is a legal requirement to wear a helmet. That
in itself could be said to be a change to what you're wearing.)

Unless you've just been up a ladder.
Bacxkground; men over 60 feature significantly in deaths from falling off
a ladder in Australia and I consider a bicycle helment of better use than
those plastic "construction hats".

Ladder manufacturers are too smart to accept promotion of ladder helmets. It
will make use of ladders seem too dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

- Frank Krygowski


Mr. Anderon is somewhat interesting.

He tends to drag things out.

So I only watched half of it.

If he believes we should not wear a helmet while biking, I can give him names of folks permanently injured because they chose not to wear a helmet.


I can give names of people who died of brain injuries - at least, that was the
most likely cause of death - and who didn't wear helmets. But all the ones I
personally knew were inside cars at the time. That's not unusual, given the
roughly 40,000 annual motorist deaths in this country.

I had one friend who used to ride a motorcycle almost identical to mine, an
antique BMW. He died while wearing a helmet.

I know that the number of pedestrians killed annually in the U.S., Canada,
Britain, Australia (and probably more countries) greatly exceeds the number of
bicyclists killed. As an example, the recent U.S. pedestrian fatality counts
have been approaching 6000. (Bicyclist fatalities are about 800.) I've seen
NEISS data showing that the percentage of fatalities due to brain injury are
about 45% for bikes, about 40% for pedestrians. That means _lots_ more ped
TBI deaths. And other data shows that the pedestrians are at more risk per
mile traveled, too.

And I've had friends who suffered pretty severe (as in, rush to the ER) head
injuries from just walking. They each tripped and fell on their face. Another
good friend just had the same thing happen, but didn't go to ER; she just dealt
with the resulting facial bruises on her own.

When, oh when, are we going to get helmet promotion for pedestrians and motorists?

- Frank Krygowski


I read somewhere that some 450 USians die annually from falling out of
bed. It is apparent that "bed Helmets" or at least safety belts
should be required.

Why don't our leaders do something to stop this carnage!
--
cheers,

John B.

  #18  
Old July 14th 19, 12:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_4_]
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Default Bicycling specific clothing = why not?

John B. wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:17:11 PM UTC-4, AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 10:06:19 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:38 +1000, James wrote:


(In most of Australia it is a legal requirement to wear a helmet. That
in itself could be said to be a change to what you're wearing.)

Unless you've just been up a ladder.
Bacxkground; men over 60 feature significantly in deaths from falling off
a ladder in Australia and I consider a bicycle helment of better use than
those plastic "construction hats".

Ladder manufacturers are too smart to accept promotion of ladder helmets. It
will make use of ladders seem too dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

- Frank Krygowski

Mr. Anderon is somewhat interesting.

He tends to drag things out.

So I only watched half of it.

If he believes we should not wear a helmet while biking, I can give him
names of folks permanently injured because they chose not to wear a helmet.


I can give names of people who died of brain injuries - at least, that was the
most likely cause of death - and who didn't wear helmets. But all the ones I
personally knew were inside cars at the time. That's not unusual, given the
roughly 40,000 annual motorist deaths in this country.

I had one friend who used to ride a motorcycle almost identical to mine, an
antique BMW. He died while wearing a helmet.

I know that the number of pedestrians killed annually in the U.S., Canada,
Britain, Australia (and probably more countries) greatly exceeds the number of
bicyclists killed. As an example, the recent U.S. pedestrian fatality counts
have been approaching 6000. (Bicyclist fatalities are about 800.) I've seen
NEISS data showing that the percentage of fatalities due to brain injury are
about 45% for bikes, about 40% for pedestrians. That means _lots_ more ped
TBI deaths. And other data shows that the pedestrians are at more risk per
mile traveled, too.

And I've had friends who suffered pretty severe (as in, rush to the ER) head
injuries from just walking. They each tripped and fell on their face. Another
good friend just had the same thing happen, but didn't go to ER; she just dealt
with the resulting facial bruises on her own.

When, oh when, are we going to get helmet promotion for pedestrians and motorists?

- Frank Krygowski


I read somewhere that some 450 USians die annually from falling out of
bed. It is apparent that "bed Helmets" or at least safety belts
should be required.

Why don't our leaders do something to stop this carnage!
--
cheers,

John B.



How many times will you post that? I’m tired of explaining to you about
universe of discourse. What percentage of those sleeping in beds die from
falling out of bed?

Let me give you a hint. 300 or so million Americans sleep in beds. 450
die falling out of them. The math is not complicated.

700 or so die cycling. How many cycle? See where I’m going with this? I
guess not..l

--
duane
  #19  
Old July 14th 19, 12:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 7:13:10 PM UTC-4, Duane wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:17:11 PM UTC-4, AK wrote:


If he believes we should not wear a helmet while biking, I can give him
names of folks permanently injured because they chose not to wear a helmet.

I can give names of people who died of brain injuries - at least, that was the
most likely cause of death - and who didn't wear helmets. But all the ones I
personally knew were inside cars at the time. That's not unusual, given the
roughly 40,000 annual motorist deaths in this country.

I had one friend who used to ride a motorcycle almost identical to mine, an
antique BMW. He died while wearing a helmet.

I know that the number of pedestrians killed annually in the U.S., Canada,
Britain, Australia (and probably more countries) greatly exceeds the number of
bicyclists killed. As an example, the recent U.S. pedestrian fatality counts
have been approaching 6000. (Bicyclist fatalities are about 800.) I've seen
NEISS data showing that the percentage of fatalities due to brain injury are
about 45% for bikes, about 40% for pedestrians. That means _lots_ more ped
TBI deaths. And other data shows that the pedestrians are at more risk per
mile traveled, too.

And I've had friends who suffered pretty severe (as in, rush to the ER) head
injuries from just walking. They each tripped and fell on their face. Another
good friend just had the same thing happen, but didn't go to ER; she just dealt
with the resulting facial bruises on her own.

When, oh when, are we going to get helmet promotion for pedestrians and motorists?

- Frank Krygowski


I read somewhere that some 450 USians die annually from falling out of
bed. It is apparent that "bed Helmets" or at least safety belts
should be required.

Why don't our leaders do something to stop this carnage!
--
cheers,

John B.



How many times will you post that? I’m tired of explaining to you about
universe of discourse. What percentage of those sleeping in beds die from
falling out of bed?

Let me give you a hint. 300 or so million Americans sleep in beds. 450
die falling out of them. The math is not complicated.

700 or so die cycling. How many cycle? See where I’m going with this? I
guess not..l


AK started this sub-thread with his statement that he knew head injured cyclists,
and his implication that therefore bicyclists should wear helmets.

Nobody has suitably explained why that logic applies only for bicyclists, who
are NOT at unusual individual risk, and who make up only a microscopic percentage
of serious brain injuries nationally.

So where ARE you going? Are you back to claiming that all bicyclists should wear
helmets? And that nobody should post any data skeptical of helmets?

Perhaps you should just let people post what they like, and read only what
interests you. And perhaps you should let each person make their own choice of
hat style. Or gosh, maybe even ride without hats!

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/07...-02_grande.jpg

- Frank Krygowski
  #20  
Old July 14th 19, 12:52 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Bicycling specific clothing = why not?

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 2:12:53 PM UTC-7, AK wrote:
On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 3:17:11 PM UTC-4, AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 10:06:19 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:38 +1000, James wrote:


(In most of Australia it is a legal requirement to wear a helmet. That
in itself could be said to be a change to what you're wearing.)

Unless you've just been up a ladder.
Bacxkground; men over 60 feature significantly in deaths from falling off
a ladder in Australia and I consider a bicycle helment of better use than
those plastic "construction hats".

Ladder manufacturers are too smart to accept promotion of ladder helmets. It
will make use of ladders seem too dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07o-TASvIxY

- Frank Krygowski

Mr. Anderon is somewhat interesting.

He tends to drag things out.

So I only watched half of it.

If he believes we should not wear a helmet while biking, I can give him names of folks permanently injured because they chose not to wear a helmet.


I can give names of people who died of brain injuries - at least, that was the
most likely cause of death - and who didn't wear helmets. But all the ones I
personally knew were inside cars at the time. That's not unusual, given the
roughly 40,000 annual motorist deaths in this country.

I had one friend who used to ride a motorcycle almost identical to mine, an
antique BMW. He died while wearing a helmet.

I know that the number of pedestrians killed annually in the U.S., Canada,
Britain, Australia (and probably more countries) greatly exceeds the number of
bicyclists killed. As an example, the recent U.S. pedestrian fatality counts
have been approaching 6000. (Bicyclist fatalities are about 800.) I've seen
NEISS data showing that the percentage of fatalities due to brain injury are
about 45% for bikes, about 40% for pedestrians. That means _lots_ more ped
TBI deaths. And other data shows that the pedestrians are at more risk per
mile traveled, too.

And I've had friends who suffered pretty severe (as in, rush to the ER) head
injuries from just walking. They each tripped and fell on their face. Another
good friend just had the same thing happen, but didn't go to ER; she just dealt
with the resulting facial bruises on her own.

When, oh when, are we going to get helmet promotion for pedestrians and motorists?

- Frank Krygowski


Do forgot the cats and dogs too. :-)

Andy


http://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html

It is important to understand that a helmet WILL NOT "save your life" except in an extremely unlikely event. What a helmet will do though is to keep your head from suffering minor injuries in the most common "accidents" - falling off of your bike at low speed due to any number of things.

There are articles - not any real scientific studies - that say that only an insignificant number of fatalities on bicycles are those who are wearing helmets. Of course that is the case - most people that are involved in serious auto accidents on a bicycle do not know how to ride properly. How to obey the traffic laws and even simple things like riding bicycles on the wrong side of the street so that collisions combine the speeds of the car and the bicycle rather than the opposite if you are riding in the correct direction.

At ANY speed of collision over 10 mph a helmet offers NO protection against collision.

Hardshell motorcycle helmets do not work either. They were designed REALLY for racing. Most racing accidents are "slide-outs" where you lose traction in close proximity to the road while cornering. The hardshell prevents your head from being ground off at quite high speeds. In my case as high as 80+ mph in a right angle turn in the Mojave Desert racetrack with blowing sand changing traction conditions from lap to lap. Plus I'm a big man and motorcycle road racing is a small man's sport.
 




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