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  #11  
Old September 14th 18, 07:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 14/09/18 14:27, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/13/2018 9:06 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:21:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:

I am not using it for heavy loads, just for sensitive ones. For heavy
loads I have cinch straps and heavy duty bungees.


You should put your delicate cargo in a pannier.


Grant Peterson recently publicized an interesting trick. In his example,
the delicate cargo was an expensive camera of some kind.

He was using a bike with a metal front basket. He used two cargo nets.
One he stretched across the top of the basket to form a sort of
trampoline. The camera sat on top of that net, suspended above the baset
floor. The other net went above the camera to hold it down and keep it
from bouncing out.


Sounds good for shaking something up by amplfying every bump.

It seemed to me that would work pretty well, assuming you had a basket
on your bike.


I always preferred to carry my camera in a snout bag mounted on my chest
supported by a pair of straps going over shoulders and crossing on the
back. My legs tend to be very good at smoothing out bumps.

Second preference was the handlebar bags that mount on a forward
projection holder. A couple of short shock cords to the front rack
damped bounces.

(It wouldn't work for Joerg, of course.)

If you need more capacity, buy a trailer.* I'm sure your wife would
allow you to buy a bicycle trailer, maybe.


Maybe...


Alternatively, you can build one. Yet Another B&*&$% Bicycle Trailer
seems to be a common meme on youtube.



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Old September 14th 18, 04:36 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/14/2018 2:15 AM, news18 wrote:
On 14/09/18 14:27, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/13/2018 9:06 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:21:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:

I am not using it for heavy loads, just for sensitive ones. For heavy
loads I have cinch straps and heavy duty bungees.

You should put your delicate cargo in a pannier.


Grant Peterson recently publicized an interesting trick. In his
example, the delicate cargo was an expensive camera of some kind.

He was using a bike with a metal front basket. He used two cargo nets.
One he stretched across the top of the basket to form a sort of
trampoline. The camera sat on top of that net, suspended above the
baset floor. The other net went above the camera to hold it down and
keep it from bouncing out.


Sounds good for shaking something up by amplfying every bump.


You're trying to minimize acceleration, not amplitude. With Grant's
scheme, the camera will move more (greater amplitude) but will endure
far less acceleration.

I always preferred to carry my camera in a snout bag mounted on my chest
supported by a pair of straps going over shoulders and crossing on the
back. My legs tend to be very good at smoothing out bumps.


In the days of mechanical cameras, I did something similar. I had the
straps worked out to where I could easily unclip one and shoot as I rode.

Now that my camera's tiny and digital, it's usually in the mesh side
pocket of my handlebar bag. I think it's much more rugged than my old
film camera. This one has almost no mechanical moving parts.

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Old September 14th 18, 06:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-09-13 18:06, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:21:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-13 12:51, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:30:13 AM UTC-4, Joerg
wrote:
On 2018-09-12 17:21, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:19:00 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Does anyone know where to buy ESGE bicycle rack straps
like this in the US without costing more than the whole
rack?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uIcAA...Bv/s-l1600.jpg



They are rubber which the blistering sun has now shot. In
Europe these used to cost $4-5. Adjustment is without any
excess rubber dangling into spokes and stuff.

Or maybe something similar that has such seamlessly
adjustable rubber straps. Bungees or Arno straps are not so
cool for sensitive loads.

Adjustable Flat Bungee Cord? See Amazon, about $3.50 each.
https://www.amazon.com/Keeper-06119-.../dp/B0044FPNIG






Bingo! I didn't know they made adjustable bungees which is exactly the
function I was looking for. It's on our Amazon shopping list
now. Thanks, John.

Frank and Sir: This does work for me. Reason why Arno strap
won't work well for this particular job is that I often carry
softer materials and sometimes even a large fruit or vegetable.
A bursting plastic malt syrup jug would be real fun on a bike.
Arno straps or cinch-down straps can be adjusted but their
pressure comes on hard so I'd have to carry buffer material.
For the rack I need something with flex that can be adjusted in
tension, no extra buffer material needed.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Meantime your rubber bungee cord expands on bumps and thus you
risk it coming off if the hook lets go. Then you might lose your
load.


I am not using it for heavy loads, just for sensitive ones. For
heavy loads I have cinch straps and heavy duty bungees.


You should put your delicate cargo in a pannier.



Those are nearly always full. The right one with tools, lock, phone,
spare tube, battery and stuff. The left one with water, electrolyte mix,
food.


... If you need more
capacity, buy a trailer. I'm sure your wife would allow you to buy a
bicycle trailer, maybe.


The only trailer that would work for me is the Bob trailer with
suspension. Yeah, I could buy one. However, flexible straps cost a lot less.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Old September 18th 18, 02:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:27:20 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Grant Peterson recently publicized an interesting trick. In his example,
the delicate cargo was an expensive camera of some kind.

He was using a bike with a metal front basket. He used two cargo nets.
One he stretched across the top of the basket to form a sort of
trampoline. The camera sat on top of that net, suspended above the baset
floor. The other net went above the camera to hold it down and keep it
from bouncing out.

It seemed to me that would work pretty well, assuming you had a basket
on your bike.


I used a similar trick to carry a ripe tomato over Smith Street before
they paved it. (And narrowed it by painting a fog line a couple of
feet inside the other fog line and calling the space between a "bike
lane", but that is another story.)


The tomato was in a plastic bag in the bottom of a pannier.

I put the hooks of a bungee out through the holes in the wire pannier,
one end on each side of the reflector bolted through the hinge,
brought the ends over the top of the basket, and hooked them to the
other end. Then I lifted the middle of the outside bungee over the
middle of the inside bungee, repeating until it was twisted so tightly
that the eyelet in the middle was just barely big enough to pull the
handles of the plastic bag through. I pulled on the handles until the
tomato was snug against the bungee, then tied the handles to the rack
to keep it there. This naturally pulled the tomato toward the rack,
so I fastened the other bungee by its middle to the middle of a side
the same way I'd attached the first bungee to an end, brought it over
the top of the side, and hooked the ends over the twisted bungee to
pull it back the other way.

Nowadays I use the trick for delicates too large to be kept from
swinging into the sides of the pannier, so instead of using a second
bungee, I damp the oscillations by lightly stuffing a plastic bag with
crumpled plastic bags, putting the handles through a hole close to
where the cargo might bump, and tying off elsewhere to hold them in
place. Wedged in by the cushions, the cargo doesn't swing.

It's lucky that I don't need this trick very often; it cuts way down
on what else I can carry in that pannier.

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Old September 21st 18, 10:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-09-12 16:19, Joerg wrote:
Does anyone know where to buy ESGE bicycle rack straps like this in the
US without costing more than the whole rack?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uIcAA...Bv/s-l1600.jpg

They are rubber which the blistering sun has now shot. In Europe these
used to cost $4-5. Adjustment is without any excess rubber dangling into
spokes and stuff.

Or maybe something similar that has such seamlessly adjustable rubber
straps. Bungees or Arno straps are not so cool for sensitive loads.


Some feedback in case someone else needs rack straps. I found this and
ordered a set of straps:

https://www.rivbike.com/products/dutch-double-top-strap

It looks even better than the original ESGE straps because the hooks are
metal. The small plastic ones were always leaving that iffy feeling and
frequent head turns to see if the load was still there.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Old September 22nd 18, 07:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Adjustable rubber rack straps, where to buy?

On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 5:50:54 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-12 16:19, Joerg wrote:
Does anyone know where to buy ESGE bicycle rack straps like this in the
US without costing more than the whole rack?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uIcAA...Bv/s-l1600.jpg

They are rubber which the blistering sun has now shot. In Europe these
used to cost $4-5. Adjustment is without any excess rubber dangling into
spokes and stuff.

Or maybe something similar that has such seamlessly adjustable rubber
straps. Bungees or Arno straps are not so cool for sensitive loads.


Some feedback in case someone else needs rack straps. I found this and
ordered a set of straps:

https://www.rivbike.com/products/dutch-double-top-strap

It looks even better than the original ESGE straps because the hooks are
metal. The small plastic ones were always leaving that iffy feeling and
frequent head turns to see if the load was still there.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


A heck of a lot more complicated than a couple of Arno straps and not nearly as secure either.

Cheers
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Old September 22nd 18, 03:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-09-21 23:30, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 5:50:54 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-12 16:19, Joerg wrote:
Does anyone know where to buy ESGE bicycle rack straps like this
in the US without costing more than the whole rack?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uIcAA...Bv/s-l1600.jpg

They are rubber which the blistering sun has now shot. In Europe
these used to cost $4-5. Adjustment is without any excess rubber
dangling into spokes and stuff.

Or maybe something similar that has such seamlessly adjustable
rubber straps. Bungees or Arno straps are not so cool for
sensitive loads.


Some feedback in case someone else needs rack straps. I found this
and ordered a set of straps:

https://www.rivbike.com/products/dutch-double-top-strap

It looks even better than the original ESGE straps because the
hooks are metal. The small plastic ones were always leaving that
iffy feeling and frequent head turns to see if the load was still
there.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


A heck of a lot more complicated than a couple of Arno straps and not
nearly as secure either.


For some loads such as vegetables in a bag Arno straps aren't good
because they have no flex and would squish stuff. I'll use them for bus
rack strapping as you had suggested. And for very large loads like a box
to the Fedex depot.

What's complicated about the Dutch straps? Move the slider to adjust
tension to load size, hook in, done. I have used them for decades. Most
of the time the just sit strapped and flat. You can slide newspapers
underneath or books for a meeting without doing anything.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Old September 22nd 18, 05:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 10:19:29 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
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For some loads such as vegetables in a bag Arno straps aren't good
because they have no flex and would squish stuff. I'll use them for bus
rack strapping as you had suggested. And for very large loads like a box
to the Fedex depot.

What's complicated about the Dutch straps? Move the slider to adjust
tension to load size, hook in, done. I have used them for decades. Most
of the time the just sit strapped and flat. You can slide newspapers
underneath or books for a meeting without doing anything.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Gee I didn't know about Arno straps being no good for securing vegetables in a bag. I guess I'd better stop doing that huh? I mean, I've only been doing that for the past 40 odd years whenever I go go grocery shopping. That's not to mention all t he delicate stuff I've secured to my MTB off road touring bike when on a two week trip and used those very same Arno straps to secure the stuff. One thing about Arno straps is there's NO WORRY at all about some fiddly plastic thingie breaking at an inopportune time. Arno straps are probably the easiest strap to adjust too.

Use what you like but don't be surprised if all that stretching of the straps causes damage to your delicate items and or food during your rough rides..

Cheers
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Old September 28th 18, 10:43 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-09-21 14:51, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-12 16:19, Joerg wrote:
Does anyone know where to buy ESGE bicycle rack straps like this in the
US without costing more than the whole rack?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uIcAA...Bv/s-l1600.jpg

They are rubber which the blistering sun has now shot. In Europe these
used to cost $4-5. Adjustment is without any excess rubber dangling into
spokes and stuff.

Or maybe something similar that has such seamlessly adjustable rubber
straps. Bungees or Arno straps are not so cool for sensitive loads.


Some feedback in case someone else needs rack straps. I found this and
ordered a set of straps:

https://www.rivbike.com/products/dutch-double-top-strap

It looks even better than the original ESGE straps because the hooks are
metal. The small plastic ones were always leaving that iffy feeling and
frequent head turns to see if the load was still there.


Arrived and works great. Yesterday it carried a ream of paper. The metal
clasps are unfortunately square instead of round so it'll rattle a lot
on metal racks when on a bumpy road. I stripped two 1" sections of
jacket from large TV coax cable, slit lengthwise, slid over the last
rack cross member (where the clasps grab onto), secured the jackets with
electrical tape - no rattling.

IME this is the fastest way to secure a casual load on top of a rack. I
am using this method since 1982. The slider adapts to the load size in a
second and no excess cord tangles down into the spokes and needs to be
tucked like it does on regular loading straps. Since this double strap
flexes it also won't cause brown or mushy spots on a load of pears in a
bag or other fruits and vegetables.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
 




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