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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it



 
 
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Old February 3rd 10, 04:23 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Default I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing uswith it

On Feb 3, 4:13*am, delboy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:01, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote:

Hi IQ is not required for high office. It may be a hindrance. She (Sarah Palin) only
needs to lead the sheep...


I think George W. Bush has already proved that point!

DC


Yep, this lady has all the qualities of a good shepherd. Now all she
needs is a sheep dog... and some wolves to scare them.
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Old February 3rd 10, 04:42 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Default I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing uswith it

On Feb 3, 9:45 am, Sebastian wrote:
Of course the big companies will do this whether the doubt is well-
founded or not. So the mere act of them doing it actually tells us
very little about what is really happening.

But one thing has to be considered: We know for a fact that global
warming has been happening. The temperatures have gone up in a
relatively rapid fashion. What we do not know for a fact is that the
cause of it is human activity. There are many natural processes
affecting the global temperatures. Atmosphere is big, coupled with
many other factors (like oceans and land). This makes it very
complicated to understand. So we do not even know the governing
equation(s) of the atmospheric changes let alone their solutions.
Numerical models inevitably do not take certain factors into account
(and in some cases important ones, like water vapour - see sayhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/29/water-vapour-climat...).
These problems are significant and so currently we do not actually
know for a fact what is going on.


Once you "understand" it (if you ever can something so complex) it'll
be too late. It's simpler to allow people like me to ride a bike as
means of prevention, than to allow the SUVs to keep spewing CO2.

OK, let's apply some science to it...

(I quote)

How much carbon dioxide does a typical SUV release into the
atmosphere, and how many trees does it take to absorb all that CO2?
The answer is anybody's guess, but here's my take on it:

One gallon of gasoline weighs about 8 lbs. Of that, about 7 lbs. is
carbon (the rest is hydrogen). If a typical SUV gets 15 mpg on the
highway and is driven 15,000 miles a year, it will burn 1,000 gallons
of gas. That puts about 7,000 lbs. of carbon into the atmosphere
(combined with oxygen as CO2).

A mature tree 40 to 50 feet high weighs around 10,000 lbs. Of that, at
least 7,000 lbs. is organic carbon compounds (the exact amount will
vary depending on the species and the density of the wood). To reach
this size, most trees need 30 to 40 years of growing time. This too
will vary depending on the species of tree, its geographical location,
soil conditions and weather. Trees in hot, wet tropical climates grow
a lot faster than trees in northern climates.

Assuming these estimates are reasonably accurate, one mature tree
contains about as much carbon as the 1,000 gallons of gasoline burned
by a typical SUV in a year. But remember it takes 30 to 40 years for
the tree to absorb all that carbon from the atmosphere. Photosynthesis
takes time. It doesn't happen overnight. In fact, leaves use sunlight
and water during the daytime only to convert CO2 from the atmosphere
into tree sap (glucose) that the tree then uses to grow and build more
wood fiber. The tree's average carbon uptake, therefore, may only be
about 200 lbs. of carbon a year.

To offset the carbon released by driving a SUV 15,000 miles a year,
therefore, it takes at least 35 medium-sized healthy trees to convert
CO2 into wood.

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2001/cm50120.htm

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Old February 3rd 10, 05:23 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Default I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with it

delboy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:01, TheTibetanMonkey
showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in- the-jungle
wrote:

Hi IQ is not required for high office. It may be a hindrance. She
(Sarah Palin) only needs to lead the sheep...


I think George W. Bush has already proved that point!


http://vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm


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Old February 3rd 10, 10:55 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Default I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it

Bill Sornson wrote:
delboy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:01, TheTibetanMonkey
showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in- the-jungle
wrote:
Hi IQ is not required for high office. It may be a hindrance. She
(Sarah Palin) only needs to lead the sheep...


I think George W. Bush has already proved that point!


http://vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm


Goes to show what a decade or so of coke and booze will do. By the
time he was president he must have killed off most of his brain. There's
little evidence that he gave anything he did much thought.

Pretty much all seat of the pants and kicking it down the road when
the ideology failed.

Jeff

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Old February 4th 10, 02:51 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Default I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with it

jeff wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
delboy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:01, TheTibetanMonkey
showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in- the-jungle
wrote:
Hi IQ is not required for high office. It may be a hindrance. She
(Sarah Palin) only needs to lead the sheep...


I think George W. Bush has already proved that point!


http://vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm


Goes to show what a decade or so of coke and booze will do. By the
time he was president he must have killed off most of his brain.
There's little evidence that he gave anything he did much thought.

Pretty much all seat of the pants and kicking it down the road when
the ideology failed.

Jeff


Yeah, and Gore flunked out of divinity school and ripped off the country to
the tune of hundreds of millions on the natch. Obama smoked dope and did
coke (admitted). Where are HIS college records?


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Old February 4th 10, 04:31 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Default I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it

Bill Sornson wrote:
jeff wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
delboy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:01, TheTibetanMonkey
showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in- the-jungle
wrote:
Hi IQ is not required for high office. It may be a hindrance. She
(Sarah Palin) only needs to lead the sheep...


I think George W. Bush has already proved that point!
http://vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm

Goes to show what a decade or so of coke and booze will do. By the
time he was president he must have killed off most of his brain.
There's little evidence that he gave anything he did much thought.

Pretty much all seat of the pants and kicking it down the road when
the ideology failed.

Jeff


Yeah, and Gore flunked out of divinity school and ripped off the country to
the tune of hundreds of millions on the natch. Obama smoked dope and did
coke (admitted). Where are HIS college records?


None of those ran the country straight into the ditch while they were
being ideologues.

8 years of essentially zero job growth. The stock market about where
it was when he took office. The worst terrorist incident on his watch
and then he lets the master mind get away while he is avenging Daddies
honor in Iraq.

Not one thing improved on his watch if you don't count the rich
getting richer. Mind you, he took the country to two wars off budget and
pushed through that prescription drug benefit without the least thought
to how to pay for it.

And he left the financial system in shambles, most branches of the
government in disfunction and the country in the worst recession since
the 30's.

Or did you forget all that? You think it is just a coincidence it all
happened on his watch?

What you got besides fear, hatred and innuendo?

Jeff



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Old February 4th 10, 05:30 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
Bill Sornson[_5_]
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Default I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with it

jeff wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
jeff wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
delboy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:01, TheTibetanMonkey
showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in- the-jungle
wrote:
Hi IQ is not required for high office. It may be a hindrance. She
(Sarah Palin) only needs to lead the sheep...


I think George W. Bush has already proved that point!
http://vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm

Goes to show what a decade or so of coke and booze will do. By the
time he was president he must have killed off most of his brain.
There's little evidence that he gave anything he did much thought.

Pretty much all seat of the pants and kicking it down the road
when the ideology failed.

Jeff


Yeah, and Gore flunked out of divinity school and ripped off the
country to the tune of hundreds of millions on the natch. Obama
smoked dope and did coke (admitted). Where are HIS college records?


None of those ran the country straight into the ditch while they
were being ideologues.

8 years of essentially zero job growth. The stock market about where
it was when he took office. The worst terrorist incident on his watch
and then he lets the master mind get away while he is avenging Daddies
honor in Iraq.

Not one thing improved on his watch if you don't count the rich
getting richer. Mind you, he took the country to two wars off budget
and pushed through that prescription drug benefit without the least
thought to how to pay for it.

And he left the financial system in shambles, most branches of the
government in disfunction and the country in the worst recession since
the 30's.

Or did you forget all that? You think it is just a coincidence it all
happened on his watch?

What you got besides fear, hatred and innuendo?

Jeff


Dude, you're delusional. Unemployment was under 5% (technically "full
employment") for record number of quarters under Bush. It's no coincidence
that the economy started going to hell when the Dems took control of
Congress in the 2006 elections. (And yes, the most ideological president in
history -- then Senator Barrack H. Obama -- voted for all the spending bills
and complained that they weren't enough.) Bush's biggest mistake was not
vetoing a ton of ****. (He did try 18 separate and distinct times to reform
Fanny and Freddie; see "Burning Down the House" unless Obama has had it
removed from the internet like he just did a Reuters article on new "back
door taxes".)

Out, BS


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Old February 4th 10, 05:53 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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On Feb 3, 11:30*pm, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
jeff wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
jeff wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
delboy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:01, TheTibetanMonkey
showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in- the-jungle
wrote:
Hi IQ is not required for high office. It may be a hindrance. She
(Sarah Palin) only needs to lead the sheep...


I think George W. Bush has already proved that point!
http://vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm


* Goes to show what a decade or so of coke and booze will do. By the
time he was president he must have killed off most of his brain.
There's little evidence that he gave anything he did much thought.


* Pretty much all seat of the pants and kicking it down the road
when the ideology failed.


* Jeff


Yeah, and Gore flunked out of divinity school and ripped off the
country to the tune of hundreds of millions on the natch. *Obama
smoked dope and did coke (admitted). *Where are HIS college records?


* None of those ran the country straight into the ditch while they
were being ideologues.


* 8 years of essentially zero job growth. The stock market about where
it was when he took office. The worst terrorist incident on his watch
and then he lets the master mind get away while he is avenging Daddies
honor in Iraq.


* Not one thing improved on his watch if you don't count the rich
getting richer. Mind you, he took the country to two wars off budget
and pushed through that prescription drug benefit without the least
thought to how to pay for it.


* And he left the financial system in shambles, most branches of the
government in disfunction and the country in the worst recession since
the 30's.


*Or did you forget all that? You think it is just a coincidence it all
happened on his watch?


* What you got besides fear, hatred and innuendo?


* Jeff


Dude, you're delusional. *Unemployment was under 5% (technically "full
employment") for record number of quarters under Bush. *It's no coincidence
that the economy started going to hell when the Dems took control of
Congress in the 2006 elections. *(And yes, the most ideological president in
history -- then Senator Barrack H. Obama -- voted for all the spending bills
and complained that they weren't enough.) *Bush's biggest mistake was not
vetoing a ton of ****. *(He did try 18 separate and distinct times to reform
Fanny and Freddie; see "Burning Down the House" unless Obama has had it
removed from the internet like he just did a Reuters article on new "back
door taxes".)

Out, BS- Hide quoted text -

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I can live with any president that has 3 lovers, smokes pot, and has
an ugly family, but not with one that ignores the issues, particularly
the role of cycling in fighting climate change.

Let me know when you find one like that.
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Old February 4th 10, 11:27 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Bill Sornson wrote:


Dude, you're delusional. Unemployment was under 5% (technically "full
employment") for record number of quarters under Bush. It's no coincidence
that the economy started going to hell when the Dems took control of
Congress in the 2006 elections. (And yes, the most ideological president in
history -- then Senator Barrack H. Obama -- voted for all the spending bills
and complained that they weren't enough.) Bush's biggest mistake was not
vetoing a ton of ****. (He did try 18 separate and distinct times to reform
Fanny and Freddie; see "Burning Down the House" unless Obama has had it
removed from the internet like he just did a Reuters article on new "back
door taxes".)

Out, BS




Amazing - biggest case of denial I've seen yet. You may want to
actually get some facts, but reality is obviously not something to which
you will apparently ever admit.

Poor GW - nothing was his fault (none of his numerous failings were ever
his fault - through he's whole life he's just been a victim of
circumstances).

Meanwhile, it'll be many years before the US recovers from the
disastrous results of the GW years / decisions.

Hint - it's no coincidence that the US began falling apart almost to the
day he was appointed president as business & investors ran to the
sidelines for the safety of CDs & bonds while minimizing / reducing
expansion plans.

Meanwhile, eight years later the country saw a loss in employment, lose
in real wages, a significantly reduced stock market value, a $1T
off-the-budget, bill of borrowed money for a ****ing contest in Iraq,
increased terrorism as the real terrorists were essentially left alone
to strengthen, etc. Did he ever veto any spending bill (even when
republicans controlled both the senate and congress)? GW's extensive
spending makes Obama seem a fiscally conservative.

Come to think of it, can you name even one success of the eight GW
years. I can think of only one - He was so inept that he opened the
door for the first minority in US history to be elected president.

If you don't like Obama being president, you can thank GW - His inept
leadership made it all possible.

Although GW made numerous mistakes, his biggest were likely tinkering
with a successful tax code (his rebates for the wealthy were all made
with borrowed money and failed to add any jobs), failing to curtail any
spending, invading Iraq (100% with again borrowed money) and allowing
the 9/11 terrorists to essentially run free only to strengthen in
numbers and force. Is there any doubt this loser will go down in
history as the #1 worst president?

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Old February 4th 10, 05:48 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Bill Sornson wrote:
jeff wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
jeff wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote:
delboy wrote:
On 3 Feb, 04:01, TheTibetanMonkey
showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in- the-jungle
wrote:
Hi IQ is not required for high office. It may be a hindrance. She
(Sarah Palin) only needs to lead the sheep...


I think George W. Bush has already proved that point!
http://vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm

Goes to show what a decade or so of coke and booze will do. By the
time he was president he must have killed off most of his brain.
There's little evidence that he gave anything he did much thought.

Pretty much all seat of the pants and kicking it down the road
when the ideology failed.

Jeff
Yeah, and Gore flunked out of divinity school and ripped off the
country to the tune of hundreds of millions on the natch. Obama
smoked dope and did coke (admitted). Where are HIS college records?

None of those ran the country straight into the ditch while they
were being ideologues.

8 years of essentially zero job growth. The stock market about where
it was when he took office. The worst terrorist incident on his watch
and then he lets the master mind get away while he is avenging Daddies
honor in Iraq.

Not one thing improved on his watch if you don't count the rich
getting richer. Mind you, he took the country to two wars off budget
and pushed through that prescription drug benefit without the least
thought to how to pay for it.

And he left the financial system in shambles, most branches of the
government in disfunction and the country in the worst recession since
the 30's.

Or did you forget all that? You think it is just a coincidence it all
happened on his watch?

What you got besides fear, hatred and innuendo?

Jeff


Dude, you're delusional. Unemployment was under 5% (technically "full
employment") for record number of quarters under Bush.



Unemployment rate is a fictional number that comes in many flavors. The
figure you quote doesn't include those that have given up looking.

How many people are employed can be more accurately determined:

132,469K when he took office
134,333K when he left

Now, natural job growth due to population increase should be about
2,000K a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_cr...idential_terms


It's no coincidence
that the economy started going to hell when the Dems took control of
Congress in the 2006 elections.



Mind you that the Iraq War was in freefall under Rumsfeld, when the Dems
came in and forced Bush to change to Gates who Obama retained.

Everything that Bush and the Republican congress did was a house of
cards. Largely unfunded. And both wars off budget. No wonder it has all
unwound. No problem spending, you just need another tax break for the
rich to pay for it. Crazy, huh? The Deficit nearly tripled under W.

Obama put the wars in the budget. So you have real numbers, not
fantasy. But you like the fantasy.

(And yes, the most ideological president in
history -- then Senator Barrack H. Obama -- voted for all the spending bills
and complained that they weren't enough.)


Historically money is put away for a rainy day. In the relatively good
days of W the debt kept rising. Nothing but debt was left when the house
of cards fell. Historically you spend your way out of a recession, the
most notable exception was Hoover's policies at the start of the Great
Depression.

And just where did all those tax breaks for the rich go? They didn't
go to building a better economy, they went into all those exotic
financial instruments that wrecked the economy.

Bush's biggest mistake was not
vetoing a ton of ****. (He did try 18 separate and distinct times to reform
Fanny and Freddie; see "Burning Down the House" unless Obama has had it
removed from the internet like he just did a Reuters article on new "back
door taxes".)


Fanny and Freddie are not the main reasons the economy collapsed. It
was bad oversite in just about every department. Your conservative
buddies had done a fine job of dismantling all the safeguards and
removing the watch dogs. When W left office almost every department was
leaderless down through the top several rungs and had been that way for
a while. Broken government and a broken economy is what W delivered.

Obama has done nothing less than save the economy from freefall. The
TARP money spent under Obama has largely been recovered or will be, much
of the money spent under W is lost.

But you think he did everything right. That is as delusional as you get.

Now go run away and hide like you so want to.

Jeff



Out, BS


 




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