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  #31  
Old October 28th 18, 07:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default If Canada can do it

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:38:17 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2018 15:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 10:28:11 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 21:35, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 9:08:53 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 17:09, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 12:37:10 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 00:01, TMS320 wrote:
On 23/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 23/10/2018 17:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:27:59 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/10/2018 21:34, Simon Jester wrote:

Why not UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45806255

Legal weed in Leftpondia has been proven to reduce drink and drug
driving.

Is stoned driving better than drink-driving? They're equally risky and
both illegal (in the UK and USA, and almost certainly also in Canada).

Ah, of course - if our lords and masters have decided to make something
illegal it must be wrong.

Define "wrong".

And your point?

It's obviously too complicated for you, but for a normal person ought
to be more obvious: there is no gain in swapping drunk drivers for
drugged drivers.

Even you ought to be able to work out why.

I have never knowingly taken cannabis products (does this mean I don't
qualify as a normal person?). No doubt you can explain why there is no
gain in swapping drunk drivers for drugged drivers.

Neither category is in full control of the vehicle, of course.

Are you feeling alright?

What makes you so certain legal weed will result in drink drivers becoming drug drivers?

Nothing makes me certain of that.

So why did you claim it does?


But *you* insisted that legalising illegal drugs reduces the incidence
of drink-driving.

Empirical evidence from USA proves it.

You are the one who is certain of it. I have questioned y0ur certainty.


And I have provided evidence to support my position.



*You* are saying that there is a connection between
the two, and that connection can only be people moving from
drink-driving to drug-driving.

*You* are saying that, not me.

You are saying the first part of it. The second p[art of it is an
inescable conclusion from what you are saying.


No it is not. *You* are assuming adults who use the recreational drug THC have less self control than those who use the recreational drug Ethanol.
Do you have any basis for that assumption?


Well, unles the drugs so incapacitate its
victims that they can't find their keys.

Drugs like alcohol, you mean.

Yes... well... we have a law against that.

No one is proposing Weed Bars where you can go and get high then drive home, as happens with alcohol.
No one is suggesting you should be able to order 'A selection a rustic breads with cannabis infused olive oil dip' in a restaurant.

This is how it works in Colorado.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZSJiFMExQ
Those interested in FACTS can skip to 2:50.
Those wishing to maintain their ignorant, uniformed prejudices can say 'I'm not going to click on that link.'

It's up to you to put your argument. I shall not be doing any part of
your Youtube research for you.

I have done my research. Both research and real world data show legal weed is beneficial to society.
The only argument against it is 'Nanny knows best.'

So tell the government.


They already know. The government has admitted there is no reason for weed to remain illegal but they are going to keep it illegal anyway.


I'd like a citation for that claim, please.

A nice big explicit one.


Life is full of disappointment.


It should be easy if what you say is true.


Then why not try doing your own research for a change?


I am not in a position to assist you even if I were prepared to.


Why do you care if my after dinner coffee in my own home contains a shot of THC rather than Dark Rum?


Who says I do?


So you are in favour of legal weed.


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  #32  
Old October 28th 18, 10:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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Default If Canada can do it

On 28/10/2018 18:57, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:38:17 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2018 15:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 10:28:11 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 21:35, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 9:08:53 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 17:09, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 12:37:10 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 00:01, TMS320 wrote:
On 23/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 23/10/2018 17:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:27:59 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/10/2018 21:34, Simon Jester wrote:

Why not UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45806255

Legal weed in Leftpondia has been proven to reduce drink and drug
driving.

Is stoned driving better than drink-driving? They're equally risky and
both illegal (in the UK and USA, and almost certainly also in Canada).

Ah, of course - if our lords and masters have decided to make something
illegal it must be wrong.

Define "wrong".

And your point?

It's obviously too complicated for you, but for a normal person ought
to be more obvious: there is no gain in swapping drunk drivers for
drugged drivers.

Even you ought to be able to work out why.

I have never knowingly taken cannabis products (does this mean I don't
qualify as a normal person?). No doubt you can explain why there is no
gain in swapping drunk drivers for drugged drivers.

Neither category is in full control of the vehicle, of course.

Are you feeling alright?

What makes you so certain legal weed will result in drink drivers becoming drug drivers?

Nothing makes me certain of that.

So why did you claim it does?


But *you* insisted that legalising illegal drugs reduces the incidence
of drink-driving.

Empirical evidence from USA proves it.

You are the one who is certain of it. I have questioned y0ur certainty.

And I have provided evidence to support my position.



*You* are saying that there is a connection between
the two, and that connection can only be people moving from
drink-driving to drug-driving.

*You* are saying that, not me.

You are saying the first part of it. The second p[art of it is an
inescable conclusion from what you are saying.

No it is not. *You* are assuming adults who use the recreational drug THC have less self control than those who use the recreational drug Ethanol.
Do you have any basis for that assumption?


Well, unles the drugs so incapacitate its
victims that they can't find their keys.

Drugs like alcohol, you mean.

Yes... well... we have a law against that.

No one is proposing Weed Bars where you can go and get high then drive home, as happens with alcohol.
No one is suggesting you should be able to order 'A selection a rustic breads with cannabis infused olive oil dip' in a restaurant.

This is how it works in Colorado.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZSJiFMExQ
Those interested in FACTS can skip to 2:50.
Those wishing to maintain their ignorant, uniformed prejudices can say 'I'm not going to click on that link.'

It's up to you to put your argument. I shall not be doing any part of
your Youtube research for you.

I have done my research. Both research and real world data show legal weed is beneficial to society.
The only argument against it is 'Nanny knows best.'

So tell the government.

They already know. The government has admitted there is no reason for weed to remain illegal but they are going to keep it illegal anyway.


I'd like a citation for that claim, please.

A nice big explicit one.


Life is full of disappointment.


Indeed. But not in thise case. All you have done is confirm that your
assertiuon (and a silly one at that) was made-up.

It should be easy if what you say is true.


Then why not try doing your own research for a change?


You don't understand this discussion and debate business, do you?

The onus is on th person asserting to prove that their assertion is not
unsupported.

If you say that 3 + 4 = 9 and can prove it, you've won.

If you can't prove it, you haven't won.

"The government has admitted there is no reason for [am illegal drug]
to remain illegal"!

You'd have been better asserting something less incredible, such as
Elvis working at the chip shop down the bottom of your street.

I am not in a position to assist you even if I were prepared to.

Why do you care if my after dinner coffee in my own home contains a shot of THC rather than Dark Rum?


Who says I do?


So you are in favour of legal weed.


I am not.
  #33  
Old October 28th 18, 10:51 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Posts: 2,727
Default If Canada can do it

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 9:27:05 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 18:57, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:38:17 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2018 15:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 10:28:11 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 21:35, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 9:08:53 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 17:09, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 12:37:10 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 00:01, TMS320 wrote:
On 23/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 23/10/2018 17:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:27:59 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/10/2018 21:34, Simon Jester wrote:

Why not UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45806255

Legal weed in Leftpondia has been proven to reduce drink and drug
driving.

Is stoned driving better than drink-driving? They're equally risky and
both illegal (in the UK and USA, and almost certainly also in Canada).

Ah, of course - if our lords and masters have decided to make something
illegal it must be wrong.

Define "wrong".

And your point?

It's obviously too complicated for you, but for a normal person ought
to be more obvious: there is no gain in swapping drunk drivers for
drugged drivers.

Even you ought to be able to work out why.

I have never knowingly taken cannabis products (does this mean I don't
qualify as a normal person?). No doubt you can explain why there is no
gain in swapping drunk drivers for drugged drivers.

Neither category is in full control of the vehicle, of course.

Are you feeling alright?

What makes you so certain legal weed will result in drink drivers becoming drug drivers?

Nothing makes me certain of that.

So why did you claim it does?


But *you* insisted that legalising illegal drugs reduces the incidence
of drink-driving.

Empirical evidence from USA proves it.

You are the one who is certain of it. I have questioned y0ur certainty.

And I have provided evidence to support my position.



*You* are saying that there is a connection between
the two, and that connection can only be people moving from
drink-driving to drug-driving.

*You* are saying that, not me.

You are saying the first part of it. The second p[art of it is an
inescable conclusion from what you are saying.

No it is not. *You* are assuming adults who use the recreational drug THC have less self control than those who use the recreational drug Ethanol.
Do you have any basis for that assumption?


Well, unles the drugs so incapacitate its
victims that they can't find their keys.

Drugs like alcohol, you mean.

Yes... well... we have a law against that.

No one is proposing Weed Bars where you can go and get high then drive home, as happens with alcohol.
No one is suggesting you should be able to order 'A selection a rustic breads with cannabis infused olive oil dip' in a restaurant.

This is how it works in Colorado.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZSJiFMExQ
Those interested in FACTS can skip to 2:50.
Those wishing to maintain their ignorant, uniformed prejudices can say 'I'm not going to click on that link.'

It's up to you to put your argument. I shall not be doing any part of
your Youtube research for you.

I have done my research. Both research and real world data show legal weed is beneficial to society.
The only argument against it is 'Nanny knows best.'

So tell the government.

They already know. The government has admitted there is no reason for weed to remain illegal but they are going to keep it illegal anyway.

I'd like a citation for that claim, please.

A nice big explicit one.


Life is full of disappointment.


Indeed. But not in thise case. All you have done is confirm that your
assertiuon (and a silly one at that) was made-up.

It should be easy if what you say is true.


Then why not try doing your own research for a change?


You don't understand this discussion and debate business, do you?

The onus is on th person asserting to prove that their assertion is not
unsupported.

If you say that 3 + 4 = 9 and can prove it, you've won.


In Watership Down 3+4 was Hrair, 9 was Hrair therefore 3+4=9.

1/0=infinity, 2/0=infinity therefore all numbers are equal.

I seem to have won.



  #34  
Old October 28th 18, 11:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_10_]
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Posts: 350
Default If Canada can do it

On 28/10/2018 21:51, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 9:27:05 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 28/10/2018 18:57, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:38:17 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 26/10/2018 15:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 10:28:11 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 21:35, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 9:08:53 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 17:09, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 12:37:10 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 25/10/2018 00:01, TMS320 wrote:
On 23/10/18 18:27, JNugent wrote:
On 23/10/2018 17:24, Simon Jester wrote:
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:27:59 AM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 22/10/2018 21:34, Simon Jester wrote:

Why not UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45806255

Legal weed in Leftpondia has been proven to reduce drink and drug
driving.

Is stoned driving better than drink-driving? They're equally risky and
both illegal (in the UK and USA, and almost certainly also in Canada).

Ah, of course - if our lords and masters have decided to make something
illegal it must be wrong.

Define "wrong".

And your point?

It's obviously too complicated for you, but for a normal person ought
to be more obvious: there is no gain in swapping drunk drivers for
drugged drivers.

Even you ought to be able to work out why.

I have never knowingly taken cannabis products (does this mean I don't
qualify as a normal person?). No doubt you can explain why there is no
gain in swapping drunk drivers for drugged drivers.

Neither category is in full control of the vehicle, of course.

Are you feeling alright?

What makes you so certain legal weed will result in drink drivers becoming drug drivers?

Nothing makes me certain of that.

So why did you claim it does?


But *you* insisted that legalising illegal drugs reduces the incidence
of drink-driving.

Empirical evidence from USA proves it.

You are the one who is certain of it. I have questioned y0ur certainty.

And I have provided evidence to support my position.



*You* are saying that there is a connection between
the two, and that connection can only be people moving from
drink-driving to drug-driving.

*You* are saying that, not me.

You are saying the first part of it. The second p[art of it is an
inescable conclusion from what you are saying.

No it is not. *You* are assuming adults who use the recreational drug THC have less self control than those who use the recreational drug Ethanol.
Do you have any basis for that assumption?


Well, unles the drugs so incapacitate its
victims that they can't find their keys.

Drugs like alcohol, you mean.

Yes... well... we have a law against that.

No one is proposing Weed Bars where you can go and get high then drive home, as happens with alcohol.
No one is suggesting you should be able to order 'A selection a rustic breads with cannabis infused olive oil dip' in a restaurant.

This is how it works in Colorado.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZSJiFMExQ
Those interested in FACTS can skip to 2:50.
Those wishing to maintain their ignorant, uniformed prejudices can say 'I'm not going to click on that link.'

It's up to you to put your argument. I shall not be doing any part of
your Youtube research for you.

I have done my research. Both research and real world data show legal weed is beneficial to society.
The only argument against it is 'Nanny knows best.'

So tell the government.

They already know. The government has admitted there is no reason for weed to remain illegal but they are going to keep it illegal anyway.

I'd like a citation for that claim, please.

A nice big explicit one.

Life is full of disappointment.


Indeed. But not in thise case. All you have done is confirm that your
assertiuon (and a silly one at that) was made-up.

It should be easy if what you say is true.

Then why not try doing your own research for a change?


You don't understand this discussion and debate business, do you?

The onus is on th person asserting to prove that their assertion is not
unsupported.

If you say that 3 + 4 = 9 and can prove it, you've won.


In Watership Down 3+4 was Hrair, 9 was Hrair therefore 3+4=9.

1/0=infinity, 2/0=infinity therefore all numbers are equal.

I seem to have won.


In your world, as different from reality as it obviously is, nothing is
impossible.
  #35  
Old October 29th 18, 09:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bret Cahill
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Default If Canada can do it

Legal weed in the US has led to a reduction in both drink and drug driving.

Prove it.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.73d0ca0e1d90


Don't know how it affects driving but Neurontin, an anti seizure, anti-anxiety nerve disorder drug has a lot of the same minor side effects as pot, i.e., increased appetite.

It also works for getting off alcohol, a consideration after last summer's Lancet study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3920987/

The only danger is if you take a lot, say 300 mg X 3 times/day and then go cold turkey you may have a seizure.

But if you only take 100mg once in the evening it's safer than aspirin. You'll fall asleep before you get 2 drinks.

I was taking it for a herniated neck a few years ago and it gave the best nightmares, far better than any horror movie. In one I went surfing down a 300 m waterfall, another facing an execution style murder . . . After I woke up I could not believe the incredibly intelligent people I met in my dreams.

One side effect: you don't try quite as hard physically. That's when I realized that some anxiety may be a good thing.

I posted that years ago and last week the _New York Times_ repeated that theme.


Bret Cahill

 




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