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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
"Eric S. Sande" wrote in message ... We are the driving force behind Al Qaeda. That's deep, Jobst. I have no argument with it other than to suggest that we need to come to terms with our enemy and end the killing. As a good first step, eradication of AQ would do. Negotiation with "terrorists" is not our way. And I'm not a spokesman for Ariel Sharon. You will be aware that Al Qaeda offered negotiation with the EU after the Madrid train station bombing, it was rejected. It is possible that a dialogue could be established with these people. That would be a good first step. I disagree. Things are well beyond the negotiation phase. I feel that unless the USA hears from Bin Laden personally (and on VIDEO, with a refutable time/date reference) that they are willing to back down, this is going to be played to its end. |
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Eric S. Sande writes:
We are the driving force behind Al Qaeda. That's deep, Jobst. I have no argument with it other than to suggest that we need to come to terms with our enemy and end the killing. Negotiation with "terrorists" is not our way. This is not a negotiation situation. 9-11 was a response to the USA financing of demeaning and humiliation of primarily Palestinians and secondarily support of dictators like the Shah Pahlavi and Saddam Hussein just as we supported Fulgencio Battista in Cuba and Trujillo and Manuel Noriega in Panama and the assassination of Salvador Allende to be replaced by Augusto Pinochet: http://www.neravt.com/left/allende.htm http://tinyurl.com/2np65 And I'm not a spokesman for Ariel Sharon. I am not either but our enemies in the middle east know that Sharon is nothing without support from Washington. You will be aware that Al Qaeda offered negotiation with the EU after the Madrid train station bombing, it was rejected. What is there to negotiate? The USA needs to back of world domination under the guise of liberating people from their government and religion, when actually business interests are the driving force. In Vietnam it was suspected offshore oil. http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/vietnam.html It is possible that a dialogue could be established with these people. That would be a good first step. You see what sort of dialog would ensue, considering the cover-up about the prisoner treatment where "pfc guilty" is being brought to trial. When a ship runs aground in port the captain is relieved of duty. When this sort of interrogation occurs in prison, officers fairly high in the chain of command are guilty along with the top man who denies knowing anything about it. Liar liar pants on fire, is about all people outside the USA can say. This is in face of international Red Cross detailed reports. The situation has reached a state that is difficult to recover. To me it is apparent that the Bush administration cannot resolve the crisis without admitting huge errors in judgment and diplomacy and lies that got us into the situation. That alone means we must change leaders in November if not sooner, but that still does not get us out of where we are. There is no military solution. That should be clear to anyone who can read history and project the course we are on. We have dismantled the Iraqi military, police and other government functions, and cannot turn the nation over to anyone to run it if we pull out. What would follow is mayhem worse than what occurred after the defeat of the army. There was destruction and looting in magnitudes not seen even in WWII. This was allowed to occur by Mr. Rumsfeld to "punish the Iraqis" as if they had a hand in the causing anything that affected the USA. I spent time in the US Army and the subject of civil order after military victory was high priority. Highly important after defeating an enemy force in cities was re-establishing to law and order. What happened in Iraq is outlined in military texts in detail. If Rummy says he didn't know or expect that, then he is unbelievably uneducated or lying. Jobst Brandt |
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Eric S. Sande writes:
We are the driving force behind Al Qaeda. That's deep, Jobst. I have no argument with it other than to suggest that we need to come to terms with our enemy and end the killing. Negotiation with "terrorists" is not our way. This is not a negotiation situation. 9-11 was a response to the USA financing of demeaning and humiliation of primarily Palestinians and secondarily support of dictators like the Shah Pahlavi and Saddam Hussein just as we supported Fulgencio Battista in Cuba and Trujillo and Manuel Noriega in Panama and the assassination of Salvador Allende to be replaced by Augusto Pinochet: http://www.neravt.com/left/allende.htm http://tinyurl.com/2np65 And I'm not a spokesman for Ariel Sharon. I am not either but our enemies in the middle east know that Sharon is nothing without support from Washington. You will be aware that Al Qaeda offered negotiation with the EU after the Madrid train station bombing, it was rejected. What is there to negotiate? The USA needs to back of world domination under the guise of liberating people from their government and religion, when actually business interests are the driving force. In Vietnam it was suspected offshore oil. http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/vietnam.html It is possible that a dialogue could be established with these people. That would be a good first step. You see what sort of dialog would ensue, considering the cover-up about the prisoner treatment where "pfc guilty" is being brought to trial. When a ship runs aground in port the captain is relieved of duty. When this sort of interrogation occurs in prison, officers fairly high in the chain of command are guilty along with the top man who denies knowing anything about it. Liar liar pants on fire, is about all people outside the USA can say. This is in face of international Red Cross detailed reports. The situation has reached a state that is difficult to recover. To me it is apparent that the Bush administration cannot resolve the crisis without admitting huge errors in judgment and diplomacy and lies that got us into the situation. That alone means we must change leaders in November if not sooner, but that still does not get us out of where we are. There is no military solution. That should be clear to anyone who can read history and project the course we are on. We have dismantled the Iraqi military, police and other government functions, and cannot turn the nation over to anyone to run it if we pull out. What would follow is mayhem worse than what occurred after the defeat of the army. There was destruction and looting in magnitudes not seen even in WWII. This was allowed to occur by Mr. Rumsfeld to "punish the Iraqis" as if they had a hand in the causing anything that affected the USA. I spent time in the US Army and the subject of civil order after military victory was high priority. Highly important after defeating an enemy force in cities was re-establishing to law and order. What happened in Iraq is outlined in military texts in detail. If Rummy says he didn't know or expect that, then he is unbelievably uneducated or lying. Jobst Brandt |
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The situation has reached a state that is difficult to recover.
No ****. -- _______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly, the Texas Elvis"------------------ in.edu__________ |
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Recover what, exactly?
I think Jobst was alluding to terrorists in the same sense I was, there wasn't any special reference implied. -- _______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly, the Texas Elvis"------------------ in.edu__________ |
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In article ,
Baka Dasai writes: The use of the word "sport" here seems to fall into the same trap that is being complained about - the phony attempt to legitimate cycling as something serious. Bicycling is not necessarily a sport - it can be basic transport, or just a fun pastime. Not necessarily /a/ sport, but maybe it inherently /is/ sport, like wearing a favourite hat, or hanging around the harbour & ship-spotting, or playing dominoes for nickels? Come to think of it, I rather like the notion of cycling being sport[ing] while it's busy being all the other things it is, too. cheers, Tom -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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Recover what, exactly?
I think Jobst was alluding to terrorists in the same sense I was, there wasn't any special reference implied. -- _______________________ALL AMIGA IN MY MIND_______________________ ------------------"Buddy Holly, the Texas Elvis"------------------ in.edu__________ |
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"Eric S. Sande" wrote:
You will be aware that Al Qaeda offered negotiation with the EU after the Madrid train station bombing, it was rejected. It is possible that a dialogue could be established with these people. That would be a good first step. Great idea. Teach the radical fringe elements of the world that if they cause enough damage, we'll give them an inordinate amount of power to influence our society. There are only two ways to deal with the terrorists. 1) Kill them 2) End the brainwashing of the young terrorist candidates before they are convinced that strapping explosives around their chests and going for a bus ride is a good idea. The Arab media / leadership wants to continue to blame the US and Israel for everything that's wrong with their culture, when in fact the main problem is the Arab media / leadership. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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