Economics not bicycle tech

with AMuzi wrote:
On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:

*SKIP*
You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give
thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world.
It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)


As I understand it, at the very beginning it was (probably futile, I
haven't seen exact instructions) rush to collect resources to make
facemasks. And things just avalanched from there.

--
Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

On 4/8/2020 10:21 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 21:31:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/8/2020 9:07 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 08:45:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/7/2020 10:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 02:35:18 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Perhaps the problem is that while the U.S. exports some $188 million
worth of toilet paper it imports some $375 million worth. A short fall
of some 187 million dollars worth of toilet paper. Perhaps there
really is a shortage.


I know nothing about it but it way well be that, like
bicycles and crude oil, the export product and the import
product are very different, hence 'volume' in both
directions for different markets.

In steel for example we import raw slab and export
stainless, maraging and other alloys, finished roll and so
on. To an outside observer the numbers look like 'steel in,
steel out'.

The problem is, like the toilet paper, that in 2012, for example, the
US produced some 89 million metric tons and consumed 97 million tons.
As for stainless, in 2018 the U.S. shipped 4.3% of the world's
stainless.

Right. A very different thing from most of the steel we
import. My point being that there are usually qualitative
differences in import vs export within a commodity, not a
simple arithmetic exercise. Bicycles are a perfect example
in that what few we export are significantly different in
kind from those we import. Subtracting one from the other
misses the nuance of two different markets. I suspect that
the TP industry also varies, like brown coal vs coking coal
and so on.

And of course you are correct. Although (here come the squirming) the
world wide steel usage is something like 51% for structures, 15% for
machines and mechanical and 12% for autos. I suggest that an all
encompassing statement may not be so far off target.

It might also be interesting that in industries where many types of
the same basic product are sold the type is always stated, Prices for
Brent Crude - 33.30, W.Texas Intermediate - 25.73, Louisiana Light -
19.54.
--
cheers,

John B.


Which is why US produced Gulf Coast oil ships to the Dutch
Caribbean for refining and comes back as gasoline, jet fuel,
etc.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/8/2020 10:29 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 20:55:16 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495 deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/

Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

I just had this discussion with a good friend who is living a boat in
the Philippines. I raised the question that "if the boom swings over,
hits you on the head and you fall overboard and drown while
unconscious, what caused your death?" The boom or the water?

My last comment was that it is a "Chicken or Egg" problem. He hasn't
replied yet :-)


It's significant because the total number of deaths from all
causes is lower in NYC and NY State, than last year at the
moment, so purposefully fudging the numbers (once called
'lying') for political advantage is a new low for CDC and
they weren't all that honest before.

To those who demand accurate timely data (notably you & I,
Frank) this ought to be frightening. Out there in America
nobody cares what the Ministry of Truth has dreamt up this
morning, but it's OK, nothing to see here.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/8/2020 10:34 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 20:11:54 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/8/2020 7:42 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:

Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.



You think the people in the top 10% income actually lost money due to the 2018 Tax Act? And you have been touting yourself on this board as being a genius and super smart. The top 10% income own about 90% of all the stock market. And the 2018 Tax Act cut the corporate tax rate to 20%. Big reduction. So corporations instantly had more profit. And that usually translates to higher stock prices. Of course in 2018 Trump caused the SP500, Dow, Nasdaq to all lose money.

As for working for the Electorate, when did companies get a vote? Did the Republicans pass that law recently? Giving votes to companies based on how much money they donated to Trump? The 2018 Tax Act was a corporate tax cut.

Ah but the top of the pile is paying far more than their share
https://tinyurl.com/renqn2b
The top 10 percent pays 53.3 percent of all federal taxes. And, 68% of
the federal income taxes.

The top 1 percent pays 24 percent of all federal taxes and 35 percent
of all federal income taxes.


Yep, noted here frequently.

The US of A has one of the most radically progressive tax
systems on earth (AOC or Red Bernie diatribes notwithstanding)

Well, one sure fire way to get elected is to argue that if elected you
WILL reduce taxes!

(I've always thought that tithing might be the fairest scheme :-)


Different argument entirely.

In reality, USA has among the most radically progressive tax
schemes in the world. You can embrace or decry that
situation but it's true nonetheless.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:54:26 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 3:08:32 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 12:57:52 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


My brother the anaesthesiologist says that if your average guy had a
respirator and an unable-to-breathe patient the patient would be dead
by morning. The operator, (much like pilots/aircraft in WWII) is a
critical item and in short supply compared to machines.

He is possibly correct, but there is a hell of people who use assisted
breathing apparatus(cpaps, etc) around so the claim may just be an area
of his lack of knowledge.

When a cpap store can survive on main street here for years, there must
some "common" knowledge.

BTW, AFAIK a respirator is just a specialised form of cpap; a bi-pap,
it "pumps" both ways. Well is runs pressure on and pressure off where
as a cpap is consisten pressure on.

The normal ventilator only pressurizes the lungs and then opening the
lungs to open air the inner pressure drains the lungs.

WTF are you talking about?
Or to cut to the chase, why is a bi-pap useful for covid19, but a cpap
isn't.

What the **** are you talking about? I told you what the normal hospital ventilator is. What does that have to do with a specialized version for people with entirely different sorts of problems?

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 4:18:28 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 15:57:42 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 3:16:03 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 09:57:38 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:32:04 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 13:08:54 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:


Jay, you can't let a chance go by to show you're crazy can you?
Just the PROPERTY that Trump owns makes him a billionaire.

Does he own them or are they owned by banks?

So among your other talents or lack of such, you cannot look it up?

So you are making another claim that you can not back up. No surprise.

All of Trump's companies own their own buildings and the land they sit
on free and clear. Why would you insist otherwise?

What proof is there of that?
You have the "independently audied*" balance shets?


Trump is slightly
more wealthy than Bloomberg which drives Bloomdoggle crazy. Over $50
Billion.

Why are you so willing to invent an entirely new world?

No, I'm in the real world where leverage is the norm.

* Arthur Young.

No, you are simply inventing a universe that you would wish to exist. Where a specific rich man isn't rich because I don't have access to his IRS statements.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark..

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495 deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.
--
cheers,

John B.


a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/

Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or less the same. But that's OK, according to all of the people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it. They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how many people are naturally immune and they don't know the numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is falling.

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 7:31:57 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 9:07 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 08:45:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/7/2020 10:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 02:35:18 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Perhaps the problem is that while the U.S. exports some $188 million
worth of toilet paper it imports some $375 million worth. A short fall
of some 187 million dollars worth of toilet paper. Perhaps there
really is a shortage.


I know nothing about it but it way well be that, like
bicycles and crude oil, the export product and the import
product are very different, hence 'volume' in both
directions for different markets.

In steel for example we import raw slab and export
stainless, maraging and other alloys, finished roll and so
on. To an outside observer the numbers look like 'steel in,
steel out'.

The problem is, like the toilet paper, that in 2012, for example, the
US produced some 89 million metric tons and consumed 97 million tons.
As for stainless, in 2018 the U.S. shipped 4.3% of the world's
stainless.

Right. A very different thing from most of the steel we
import. My point being that there are usually qualitative
differences in import vs export within a commodity, not a
simple arithmetic exercise. Bicycles are a perfect example
in that what few we export are significantly different in
kind from those we import. Subtracting one from the other
misses the nuance of two different markets. I suspect that
the TP industry also varies, like brown coal vs coking coal
and so on.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Hambini mentioned a person he was using to test bike frames he received for new bottom brackets to for testing for voids. I can't remember who he is now but you could refer to Hambini and trip across his name.

He actually takes frames ad cuts them down the center longitudinally in order to analyze their construction methods. The amazing part was the huge difference between 99% of the Chinese bikes (almost all of the European carbon bikes are made in China) and Trek. Whereas it is normal for Chinese bikes to have voids which can lead to frame or fork failures, the interior of the Trek tells and entirely different thing. They are not constructed in the same manner. Rather than being pushed into an external mold by interior balloon sort of thing, Treks are wrapped around an INTERIOR mandrel and then uses an exterior press. This forces the Treks to be made in many pieces which are then glued together. It is FAR more easy to make a secure glue joint than it is to make the Chinese method faultless.

From that moment on though I had previously been a Trek detractor, I have been an admirer.

On 4/9/2020 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 7:31:57 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 9:07 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 08:45:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/7/2020 10:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 02:35:18 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Perhaps the problem is that while the U.S. exports some $188 million
worth of toilet paper it imports some $375 million worth. A short fall
of some 187 million dollars worth of toilet paper. Perhaps there
really is a shortage.


I know nothing about it but it way well be that, like
bicycles and crude oil, the export product and the import
product are very different, hence 'volume' in both
directions for different markets.

In steel for example we import raw slab and export
stainless, maraging and other alloys, finished roll and so
on. To an outside observer the numbers look like 'steel in,
steel out'.

The problem is, like the toilet paper, that in 2012, for example, the
US produced some 89 million metric tons and consumed 97 million tons.
As for stainless, in 2018 the U.S. shipped 4.3% of the world's
stainless.

Right. A very different thing from most of the steel we
import. My point being that there are usually qualitative
differences in import vs export within a commodity, not a
simple arithmetic exercise. Bicycles are a perfect example
in that what few we export are significantly different in
kind from those we import. Subtracting one from the other
misses the nuance of two different markets. I suspect that
the TP industry also varies, like brown coal vs coking coal
and so on.


Hambini mentioned a person he was using to test bike frames he received for new bottom brackets to for testing for voids. I can't remember who he is now but you could refer to Hambini and trip across his name.

He actually takes frames ad cuts them down the center longitudinally in order to analyze their construction methods. The amazing part was the huge difference between 99% of the Chinese bikes (almost all of the European carbon bikes are made in China) and Trek. Whereas it is normal for Chinese bikes to have voids which can lead to frame or fork failures, the interior of the Trek tells and entirely different thing. They are not constructed in the same manner. Rather than being pushed into an external mold by interior balloon sort of thing, Treks are wrapped around an INTERIOR mandrel and then uses an exterior press. This forces the Treks to be made in many pieces which are then glued together. It is FAR more easy to make a secure glue joint than it is to make the Chinese method faultless.

From that moment on though I had previously been a Trek detractor, I have been an admirer.


Huh? I ride over for a consultation, some guy whacks my bike
in two with a band saw, the Augurur peers inside and says,
"Your bike was fine. No problems here."

How is that different from, "She didn't float; she drowned.
Therefore she was not a witch."


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/9/2020 12:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski


I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have had an outcome:
329,731 (79%) Recovered
88,405 (21%) died
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.

In California
https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california
there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495 deaths and no
recoveries.
But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger.
--
cheers,

John B.


a larger perspective:

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/

Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as
Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or less the same. But that's OK, according to all of the people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it. They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how many people are naturally immune and they don't know the numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is falling.

Are all those reported COVID deaths imaginary?

If not all, can you tell us what percentage are imaginary?

That younger cycling friend of mine is still on a ventilator. I think
it's been a couple weeks now. If this isn't real, I should try to get
word to him.


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- Frank Krygowski