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  #21  
Old November 5th 19, 01:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have
a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got
the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride
of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it
again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect
them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not
enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with
a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which
they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his
rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a
hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the
"Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to
coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a
pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was
there. It would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso
Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from
the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats
instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads
cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels
are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days
to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an
aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the
exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and
are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease
streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there.
My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly
reduces the chance of them being stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial
Stout or something similar.



So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch...

Lou

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  #22  
Old November 5th 19, 03:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2019-11-05 03:24, Duane wrote:
Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 19:49:09 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:03, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 18:49:13 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 15:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 16:35:51 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have
a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got
the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride
of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it
again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect
them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not
enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with
a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which
they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his
rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a
hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the
"Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to
coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a
pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was
there. It would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso
Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from
the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats
instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads
cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels
are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days
to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an
aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the
exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and
are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease
streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there.
My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly
reduces the chance of them being stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial
Stout or something similar.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

But vastly improves the chances of something breaking.


Mud does not increase the chance of breakage. Beer doesn't either,
provided one enjoys it within reason.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Dried mud greatly increases wear rates of components and that leads to
premature failure aka breakage.


Hmm, how does mud do that? Some sort of chemical reaction? Every time I
cleaned it off somewhere to work on a certain area (didn't want crud to
fall into the BB threads et cetera) the paint underneath it looked pristine.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Mud is a grinding compound since it's composed of ultrafine grits.

Sheesh!


Well, how exactly is _caked_ on mud going to grind?


I guess that depends on what it’s caked on to.


Of course I remove it from moving parts such as fork stanchions or gears.


You do seem to complain more than most about how bike equipment doesn’t
hold up. Maybe there’s a link.
Your bikes, your choice though.


Nothing with caked mud on it ever broke. On the contrary, it's the clean
parts that break and the reason is pretty much always faulty engineering
or undersizing.

Static mud does not somehow miraculously "grind" like in Sir's
phantasies. Caked in is caked in, it doesn't even move when hitting it
with a hand. You can only get it off with serious water spraying or a
pressure washer. Now that would over the long term do damage to a
bicycle because you can't 100% control where the water jet will hit and
where water gets in (and stays there).

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #23  
Old November 5th 19, 03:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 9:04:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 19:49:09 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:03, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 18:49:13 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 15:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 16:35:51 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have
a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got
the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride
of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it
again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect
them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not
enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with
a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which
they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his
rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a
hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the
"Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to
coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a
pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was
there. It would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso
Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from
the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats
instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads
cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels
are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days
to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an
aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the
exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and
are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease
streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there.
My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly
reduces the chance of them being stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial
Stout or something similar.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

But vastly improves the chances of something breaking.


Mud does not increase the chance of breakage. Beer doesn't either,
provided one enjoys it within reason.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Dried mud greatly increases wear rates of components and that leads to premature failure aka breakage.


Hmm, how does mud do that? Some sort of chemical reaction? Every time I
cleaned it off somewhere to work on a certain area (didn't want crud to
fall into the BB threads et cetera) the paint underneath it looked pristine.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Mud is a grinding compound since it's composed of ultrafine grits.

Sheesh!


Well, how exactly is _caked_ on mud going to grind?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Don't you realize that the Earth circles the Sun thereby rubbing the non-existent grit against the bicycle components and frame? Most of the mud around here is composted of material softer than the paint.
  #24  
Old November 5th 19, 03:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to
have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish
it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0
and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will
have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and
expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I
was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow
and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid
"transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A
hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on
Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there
finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little
cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like
to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They
had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while
I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of
Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I
learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very
light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom
bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it
re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon
wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me
three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I
could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am
the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of
scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud.
Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into
the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting
but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being
stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA,
Imperial Stout or something similar.



So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait
are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes?
That is really girlisch...


No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other
mountain bikers on similar trails get.

I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very
regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et
cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a
cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed.

One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves
generally don't want that one. They go for another bike.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #25  
Old November 5th 19, 03:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 11:02:52 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:04:39 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 19:49:09 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:03, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 18:49:13 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 15:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 16:35:51 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have
a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got
the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride
of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it
again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect
them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not
enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with
a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which
they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his
rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a
hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the
"Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to
coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a
pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was
there. It would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso
Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from
the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats
instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads
cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels
are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days
to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an
aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the
exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and
are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease
streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there.
My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly
reduces the chance of them being stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial
Stout or something similar.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

But vastly improves the chances of something breaking.


Mud does not increase the chance of breakage. Beer doesn't either,
provided one enjoys it within reason.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Dried mud greatly increases wear rates of components and that leads to premature failure aka breakage.


Hmm, how does mud do that? Some sort of chemical reaction? Every time I
cleaned it off somewhere to work on a certain area (didn't want crud to
fall into the BB threads et cetera) the paint underneath it looked pristine.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Mud is a grinding compound since it's composed of ultrafine grits.

Sheesh!


Well, how exactly is _caked_ on mud going to grind?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Joerg are you for real? Caked on mud will have bits loosen with vibration when the bicycle is in use and those bits can migrate to the moving parts where those bits then cause grinding. It's no wonder you have so much trouble with your stuff breaking.

Cheers


Are you for real? You call yourself "Ridesalot" and Joerg puts in five times the miles you do and mostly over dirt terrain. That is NORMAL WEAR. I too have to replace bearings and other wear components including handlebars and shifters.
  #26  
Old November 5th 19, 04:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 05/11/2019 9:50 a.m., Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 03:24, Duane wrote:
Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 19:49:09 UTC-5, JoergÂ* wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:03, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 18:49:13 UTC-5, JoergÂ* wrote:
On 2019-11-04 15:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 16:35:51 UTC-5, JoergÂ* wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed
to have
a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it
I got
the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the
ride
of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to
test it
again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and
expect
them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not
enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and
Blue with
a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue"
which
they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having
his
rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they
had a
hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the
"Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to
coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They
had a
pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was
there. It would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of
Basso
Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned
from
the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats
instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads
cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon
wheels
are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three
days
to get that thing properly centered and true when I could
build an
aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides.
I am the
exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of
scrapes and
are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a
few grease
streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and
there.
My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this
greatly
reduces the chance of them being stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA,
Imperial
Stout or something similar.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

But vastly improves the chances of something breaking.


Mud does not increase the chance of breakage. Beer doesn't either,
provided one enjoys it within reason.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Dried mud greatly increases wear rates of components and that
leads to
premature failure aka breakage.


Hmm, how does mud do that? Some sort of chemical reaction? Every
time I
cleaned it off somewhere to work on a certain area (didn't want
crud to
fall into the BB threads et cetera) the paint underneath it looked
pristine.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Mud is a grinding compound since it's composed of ultrafine grits.

Sheesh!


Well, how exactly is _caked_ on mud going to grind?


I guess that depends on what it’s caked on to.


Of course I remove it from moving parts such as fork stanchions or gears.


You do seem to complain more than most about how bike equipment doesn’t
hold up.Â* Maybe there’s a link.
Your bikes, your choice though.


Nothing with caked mud on it ever broke. On the contrary, it's the clean
parts that break and the reason is pretty much always faulty engineering
or undersizing.

Static mud does not somehow miraculously "grind" like in Sir's
phantasies. Caked in is caked in, it doesn't even move when hitting it
with a hand. You can only get it off with serious water spraying or a
pressure washer. Now that would over the long term do damage to a
bicycle because you can't 100% control where the water jet will hit and
where water gets in (and stays there).


No point arguing. Like I said your bikes, your choice.
  #27  
Old November 5th 19, 05:05 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2019-11-05 06:55, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 9:04:39 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:53, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 19:49:09 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 16:03, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 18:49:13 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-04 15:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 4 November 2019 16:35:51 UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It
seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took
it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between
the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the
Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to
test it again. In any case it will be my spare
rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder
coaters and expect them to get around to it around
the end of next week. I was not enthused about the
original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a
red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent
blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A
hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been
planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot
rodder's transmission there finished in that color
and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and
the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in
the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they
were about to put in the oven while I was there. It
would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get
a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire
frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the
Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead
of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket
threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it
re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The
deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build.
Off and on it took me three days to get that thing
properly centered and true when I could build an
aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your
rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road
bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in
copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease
streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works
here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look
disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the
chance of them being stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested
in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

But vastly improves the chances of something breaking.


Mud does not increase the chance of breakage. Beer doesn't
either, provided one enjoys it within reason.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Dried mud greatly increases wear rates of components and that
leads to premature failure aka breakage.


Hmm, how does mud do that? Some sort of chemical reaction?
Every time I cleaned it off somewhere to work on a certain area
(didn't want crud to fall into the BB threads et cetera) the
paint underneath it looked pristine.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Mud is a grinding compound since it's composed of ultrafine
grits.

Sheesh!


Well, how exactly is _caked_ on mud going to grind?

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Don't you realize that the Earth circles the Sun thereby rubbing the
non-existent grit against the bicycle components and frame?



Ah, that's why :-)


... Most of
the mud around here is composted of material softer than the paint.


Ours seems to be like dried-up glue. Maybe because there is the
occasional horse excrement and some fibers baked into it. Even with a
garden hose it needs to be spritzed for a while until it comes off.
Which can cause water to seep into places where you really don't want it.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #28  
Old November 5th 19, 05:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to
have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish
it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0
and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will
have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and
expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I
was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow
and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid
"transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A
hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on
Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there
finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little
cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like
to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They
had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while
I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of
Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I
learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very
light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom
bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it
re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon
wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me
three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I
could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am
the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of
scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud.
Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into
the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting
but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being
stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA,
Imperial Stout or something similar.



So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait
are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes?
That is really girlisch...


No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other
mountain bikers on similar trails get.


Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"?

I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very
regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et
cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a
cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed.

One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves
generally don't want that one. They go for another bike.


Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first?

-- Jay Beattie.
  #29  
Old November 5th 19, 07:05 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed
to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to
refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the
Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of
Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it
will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters
and expect them to get around to it around the end of next
week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the
Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it
a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I
was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had
been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's
transmission there finished in that color and the
"Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the
like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump
economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put
in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic
yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set
of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear.
I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use
many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have
the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that
was in it re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep
carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on
it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and
true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of
hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides.
I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots
of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried
mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed
deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes
look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance
of them being stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA,
Imperial Stout or something similar.


So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh
wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental
brushes? That is really girlisch...


No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than
other mountain bikers on similar trails get.


Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists
on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your
chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"?



I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they don't
even get 1000mi out of a chain.


I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff,
very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings,
lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not
is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in
my average speed.

One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves
generally don't want that one. They go for another bike.


Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy
versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac
Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen
first?


Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me, steal
me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed their drug
habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get them their $30
or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy one won't.

It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law enforcement
experts about such things. They said the same thing about homes. A
modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into versus a manicured
mansion.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #30  
Old November 5th 19, 07:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Posts: 10,538
Default Basso Loto

On 11/5/2019 9:55 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote:
My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to
have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish
it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0
and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will
have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider.

Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and
expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I
was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow
and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid
"transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A
hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on
Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there
finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little
cleaner.

These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like
to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They
had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while
I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow.

After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of
Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I
learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very
light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom
bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it
re-installed.

I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon
wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me
three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I
could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy.


Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am
the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of
scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud.
Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into
the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting
but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being
stolen.

The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA,
Imperial Stout or something similar.



So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait
are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes?
That is really girlisch...


No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other
mountain bikers on similar trails get.


.... effectively earning many cents per hour of cleaning time, I'll bet!

I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very
regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et
cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a
cosmetic difference.


I'm trying to imagine a guy diligently cleaning and lubricating the
chain, sprockets, brakes, bearings, lights etc. while carefully
preserving the gobs of mud on his downtube.

The only way that works is if I switch my imagination to cartoon mode.

One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves
generally don't want that one. They go for another bike.


Sheesh. I'd just get a better lock. Or park my bike where I can keep an
eye on it.

But I know that we don't understand how terrible things are in your
area. Why, the mountain lions probably carry lock picks!


--
- Frank Krygowski
 




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