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  #91  
Old May 17th 20, 09:09 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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On 17/05/2020 08:56, Kelly wrote:
colwyn wrote:

On 16/05/2020 14:44, Kelly wrote:
Pamela wrote:

The greater misdemeanor was to flout the Covid regulations completely
unnecessarily. The man was no doubt reacting to this unwaranted breach of
his safety and to the injury caused to him by the bike.

What injury caused by the bike? The bike could hardly have touched him
- it was more a case of the girl collapsing into his outer thigh:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...8195.jpg?w=620


I wonder if a citizen can make a private proscution of the father under
the Covid regulations if the police fail to take action to ensure his
safety.

Are you joking? That couple live in the area - they were already
deeply concerned about 'the bad press' they we getting when they
contacted the police to protect themselves. I hardly think they want
to be seen as the local pariahs by prosecuting the father of that
little girl for her having a mishap on her barbie bike.


Well, this newsgroup claims to encourage participants interested in
cycling to express opinions,however, you may have noticed that many
contributors are only here to cause controversy and are basically just
trolling.


Yes... I'm making a list.

It is astounding how some writers are resorting to insults and abuse
just for the purpose of self-gratification.


I don't know what is wrong with some people - I have to keep reminding
myself that I'm imperfect too (albeit in a better way than them, of
course).

My motto : "Have thick skin but a soft heart!"


It's a great motto. I have three usenet rules which I try to adhere
to, and they amount to very much the same as your motto:
1. Be kind. 2. Don't take anything personally. 3. Don't take
anything too seriously (especially yourself).

Words can be powerful, written or spoken, so you need to use them with
awareness. I think it's easy to forget that somewhat on usenet. Which
is why you sometimes need to be able to defend yourself from what
other people may carelessly say, and you have to be careful with what
you say too. The 'be kind' thing is so easy, you never regret being
kind in the short, medium or long term - you will never come back and
say to yourself, 'I wish I hadn't been kind'. You will never think
that. Your mind is your most powerful asset, and it's up to you to
protect it.


Just to say, I like the motto.

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  #92  
Old May 17th 20, 09:12 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Kelly[_2_]
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Default Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist

Pamela wrote:

On 14:14 16 May 2020, Kelly said:
You read the newspaper report from the following day, after the
incident, though, and it's basically all about a couple who knocked a
6 year old girl off her bike when they refused to move. The police say
they "reviewed the footage and do not believe this was a criminal
offence. The couple involved called us about the incident and we are
satisfied that what took place was a misunderstanding between the two
parties", and that no action will be taken.

What else can it be, other than the outrage that this dog walking man
has caused on social media, that has overridden the social distancing
regulations being taken into account? There is no mention of the police
even criticising the father and daughter over their behaviour.

This is all a bit more nuanced than you might expect from the letter of
the law.


I still don't understand why the father thought it was more important to
continue taking his video than step forward and supervise his daughter.


Didn't he simply failed to envisage what could go wrong? He was too
far behind the action and hadn't properly considered the risks, so
everything was alright just as long as nothing went wrong. Then when
it did go wrong and the couple up ahead failed to step aside to leave
space for his daughter to pass by them, there was nothing he could do
to rescue the situation.

She's such a poor cyclist that she could easily have fallen over all on
her own, especially as her bike has no stabiliser wheels and she can't use
the brakes. If the father wants to train his daughter to cycle, he should
do it in his back garden rather than a public path where she and he will
inevitably closely approach members of the public at a time of Covid
distancing.


Yes, to all that. And if he didn't have a suitable back garden then,
as another poster on the group here as already said, with the benefit
of hindsight, he should have been doing all this in a more open space
rather than that narrow path which allowed his daughter no room for
error.

The father is so irresponsible that he can't see how foolish his behaviour
is (a) for taking the girl out unsupervised...


He must have thought he could do all the supervising she needed and
video the whole thing into the bargain... yet another poster to this
group has cast doubt over whether he'll know any better should there
be a next time.

...and (b) approaching the couple.


Yes, this is where it all came unstuck, isn't it? Unlike the mother, I
don't think this couple knew the girl was approaching, they weren't
aware of her presence until she was actually trying to squeeze through
between them, that's what it looked like to me anyway. I don't think
they were deliberately trying to block her off. And instead of trying
to justify what had just happened, what if the father had immediately
apologised for both his daughter and himself, maybe then the
dogwalking guy may well have reacted very differently too?

Thank goodness the couple reported the incident to the police before the
man and his troublemaking Facebook-stirring wife Michelle, got up to more
mischief. Were they seeking vigilantes to take up the matter for them?


I think they were encouraged to do what they did. The trouble is that
Facebook gives you immediate access to a multitute of your friends -
can you liken that to almost kind of being in a mob? You know, that
thing about how a group of people will often engage in actions that
are contrary to the personal moral standards of each individual in
that group. So, instead of giving yourself a chance to calm down and
think things through, you are straight away looking for your pitchfork
to march on Frankenstein's Castle. Who knows?

  #93  
Old May 17th 20, 10:24 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 17/05/2020 09:12, Kelly wrote:
Pamela wrote:

She's such a poor cyclist that she could easily have fallen over all on
her own, especially as her bike has no stabiliser wheels and she can't use
the brakes. If the father wants to train his daughter to cycle, he should
do it in his back garden rather than a public path where she and he will
inevitably closely approach members of the public at a time of Covid
distancing.


Yes, to all that. And if he didn't have a suitable back garden then,
as another poster on the group here as already said, with the benefit
of hindsight, he should have been doing all this in a more open space
rather than that narrow path which allowed his daughter no room for
error.


I don't agree that she didn't know how to control the bike. What she had
little experience with was about dealing with eventualities.

She had clearly done the stabiliser and back garden stuff. Besides,
anybody with experience of stabilisers knows that they only help before
balance is learnt and don't do anything about loss of control (if
anything, they make it worse).
  #94  
Old May 17th 20, 10:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Kerr-Mudd,John[_2_]
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Default Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist

On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:52:15 GMT, Simon Mason
wrote:

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+1, colwyn wrote:

Well, this newsgroup claims to encourage participants interested in
cycling to express opinions,however, you may have noticed that many
contributors are only here to cause controversy and are basically just
trolling.


A non exhaustive list of known trolls over the years:
Mr Benn
The Medway Handyman
Mr Cheerful
Mr Pounder
Nuxx Bar
J Nugent
Marie
Judith (1946 posts 18/06/08 - 17/02/09)
keith.hill (23 posts 07/07/08 - 09/07/08)
freddy (3 posts 09/07/08 - 17/01/09)

[more nyms from a decade a go]
Pam (1 post 02/11/11)


These are mostly dated trolls. The was a major nym-
shifter.
I think the Judith troll now prefers ULM, but it might be here as Pamela.
I don't recall 'Marie'

Pounder, "Cheerful" and Nugent are here for the full 10 year argument.
(but should really go to "abuse")
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
  #95  
Old May 17th 20, 10:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist

On 09:12 17 May 2020, Kelly said:

Pamela wrote:

On 14:14 16 May 2020, Kelly said:
You read the newspaper report from the following day, after the
incident, though, and it's basically all about a couple who knocked a
6 year old girl off her bike when they refused to move. The police say
they "reviewed the footage and do not believe this was a criminal
offence. The couple involved called us about the incident and we are
satisfied that what took place was a misunderstanding between the two
parties", and that no action will be taken.

What else can it be, other than the outrage that this dog walking man
has caused on social media, that has overridden the social distancing
regulations being taken into account? There is no mention of the
police even criticising the father and daughter over their behaviour.

This is all a bit more nuanced than you might expect from the letter
of the law.


I still don't understand why the father thought it was more important to
continue taking his video than step forward and supervise his daughter.


Didn't he simply failed to envisage what could go wrong? He was too far
behind the action and hadn't properly considered the risks, so
everything was alright just as long as nothing went wrong. Then when it
did go wrong and the couple up ahead failed to step aside to leave space
for his daughter to pass by them, there was nothing he could do to
rescue the situation.

She's such a poor cyclist that she could easily have fallen over all on
her own, especially as her bike has no stabiliser wheels and she can't
use the brakes. If the father wants to train his daughter to cycle, he
should do it in his back garden rather than a public path where she and
he will inevitably closely approach members of the public at a time of
Covid distancing.


Yes, to all that. And if he didn't have a suitable back garden then, as
another poster on the group here as already said, with the benefit of
hindsight, he should have been doing all this in a more open space
rather than that narrow path which allowed his daughter no room for
error.

The father is so irresponsible that he can't see how foolish his
behaviour is (a) for taking the girl out unsupervised...


He must have thought he could do all the supervising she needed and
video the whole thing into the bargain... yet another poster to this
group has cast doubt over whether he'll know any better should there be
a next time.

...and (b) approaching the couple.


Yes, this is where it all came unstuck, isn't it? Unlike the mother, I
don't think this couple knew the girl was approaching, they weren't
aware of her presence until she was actually trying to squeeze through
between them, that's what it looked like to me anyway. I don't think
they were deliberately trying to block her off. And instead of trying
to justify what had just happened, what if the father had immediately
apologised for both his daughter and himself, maybe then the dogwalking
guy may well have reacted very differently too?

Thank goodness the couple reported the incident to the police before the
man and his troublemaking Facebook-stirring wife Michelle, got up to
more mischief. Were they seeking vigilantes to take up the matter for
them?


I think they were encouraged to do what they did. The trouble is that
Facebook gives you immediate access to a multitute of your friends - can
you liken that to almost kind of being in a mob? You know, that thing
about how a group of people will often engage in actions that are
contrary to the personal moral standards of each individual in that
group. So, instead of giving yourself a chance to calm down and think
things through, you are straight away looking for your pitchfork to
march on Frankenstein's Castle. Who knows?


Your sensible and balanced comments are welcome.

Cyclists in this group have taken the side of the father because the girl
was riding a bike but what if she was on a scooter or skateboard and fell
over after being unable to slow down for a couple on the footpath? Would
they still think she and her father was in the right?

  #96  
Old May 17th 20, 11:22 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_6_]
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On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 10:41:02 AM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

These are mostly dated trolls. The was a major nym-
shifter.
I think the Judith troll now prefers ULM, but it might be here as Pamela.
I don't recall 'Marie'



Here is Marie, aka Judith.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uk.r...0/7kr5DEOO74cJ
  #97  
Old May 17th 20, 11:42 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Kelly[_2_]
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TMS320 wrote:

On 17/05/2020 09:12, Kelly wrote:
Pamela wrote:

She's such a poor cyclist that she could easily have fallen over all on
her own, especially as her bike has no stabiliser wheels and she can't use
the brakes. If the father wants to train his daughter to cycle, he should
do it in his back garden rather than a public path where she and he will
inevitably closely approach members of the public at a time of Covid
distancing.


Yes, to all that. And if he didn't have a suitable back garden then,
as another poster on the group here as already said, with the benefit
of hindsight, he should have been doing all this in a more open space
rather than that narrow path which allowed his daughter no room for
error.


I don't agree that she didn't know how to control the bike. What she had
little experience with was about dealing with eventualities.


Fair enough.

She had clearly done the stabiliser and back garden stuff. Besides,
anybody with experience of stabilisers knows that they only help before
balance is learnt and don't do anything about loss of control (if
anything, they make it worse).


I remember I did have stabilisers on my bike if I take my memory back
far enough - but can only remember wanting to have them removed as
soon as possible. So, stabilisers are helpful until balance is learnt
then but they don't help prevent control loss... okay. I'll try to
retain that bit of knowledge this time around, it may yet come in
useful for me again some day.

  #98  
Old May 17th 20, 11:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Kelly[_2_]
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Default Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist

Pamela wrote:

On 09:12 17 May 2020, Kelly said:

Pamela wrote:

On 14:14 16 May 2020, Kelly said:
You read the newspaper report from the following day, after the
incident, though, and it's basically all about a couple who knocked a
6 year old girl off her bike when they refused to move. The police say
they "reviewed the footage and do not believe this was a criminal
offence. The couple involved called us about the incident and we are
satisfied that what took place was a misunderstanding between the two
parties", and that no action will be taken.

What else can it be, other than the outrage that this dog walking man
has caused on social media, that has overridden the social distancing
regulations being taken into account? There is no mention of the
police even criticising the father and daughter over their behaviour.

This is all a bit more nuanced than you might expect from the letter
of the law.

I still don't understand why the father thought it was more important to
continue taking his video than step forward and supervise his daughter.


Didn't he simply failed to envisage what could go wrong? He was too far
behind the action and hadn't properly considered the risks, so
everything was alright just as long as nothing went wrong. Then when it
did go wrong and the couple up ahead failed to step aside to leave space
for his daughter to pass by them, there was nothing he could do to
rescue the situation.

She's such a poor cyclist that she could easily have fallen over all on
her own, especially as her bike has no stabiliser wheels and she can't
use the brakes. If the father wants to train his daughter to cycle, he
should do it in his back garden rather than a public path where she and
he will inevitably closely approach members of the public at a time of
Covid distancing.


Yes, to all that. And if he didn't have a suitable back garden then, as
another poster on the group here as already said, with the benefit of
hindsight, he should have been doing all this in a more open space
rather than that narrow path which allowed his daughter no room for
error.

The father is so irresponsible that he can't see how foolish his
behaviour is (a) for taking the girl out unsupervised...


He must have thought he could do all the supervising she needed and
video the whole thing into the bargain... yet another poster to this
group has cast doubt over whether he'll know any better should there be
a next time.

...and (b) approaching the couple.


Yes, this is where it all came unstuck, isn't it? Unlike the mother, I
don't think this couple knew the girl was approaching, they weren't
aware of her presence until she was actually trying to squeeze through
between them, that's what it looked like to me anyway. I don't think
they were deliberately trying to block her off. And instead of trying
to justify what had just happened, what if the father had immediately
apologised for both his daughter and himself, maybe then the dogwalking
guy may well have reacted very differently too?

Thank goodness the couple reported the incident to the police before the
man and his troublemaking Facebook-stirring wife Michelle, got up to
more mischief. Were they seeking vigilantes to take up the matter for
them?


I think they were encouraged to do what they did. The trouble is that
Facebook gives you immediate access to a multitute of your friends - can
you liken that to almost kind of being in a mob? You know, that thing
about how a group of people will often engage in actions that are
contrary to the personal moral standards of each individual in that
group. So, instead of giving yourself a chance to calm down and think
things through, you are straight away looking for your pitchfork to
march on Frankenstein's Castle. Who knows?


Your sensible and balanced comments are welcome.


Thank you.

Cyclists in this group have taken the side of the father because the girl
was riding a bike but what if she was on a scooter or skateboard and fell
over after being unable to slow down for a couple on the footpath? Would
they still think she and her father was in the right?


It could be that many cyclists feel they face regular prejudice based
upon negative stereotyping and misunderstanding, and consequently they
do tend to see the best in other cyclists - I know I do.

  #99  
Old May 17th 20, 12:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 17/05/2020 11:48, Kelly wrote:

Pamela wrote:


Cyclists in this group have taken the side of the father because the girl
was riding a bike but what if she was on a scooter or skateboard and fell
over after being unable to slow down for a couple on the footpath? Would
they still think she and her father was in the right?


It could be that many cyclists feel they face regular prejudice based
upon negative stereotyping and misunderstanding, and consequently they
do tend to see the best in other cyclists - I know I do.


You (and they) should not do so when it's not justified. And it isn't
justified in this case.

Automatically taking the side of whoever is using one's preferred mode
of transport - irrespective of how bad their behaviour - is wrong
anyway. Some would say, for instance, that it would have meant my taking
the side of that van driver who failed to give way at a roundabout and
hit a cyclist who was using the roundabout properly.

This was in a video link posted here a few days ago. It was obvious that
the van driver was in the wrong, just as it is obvious that the child's
parent is in the wrong in the footpath case.

That other video link:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8311279/Moment-cyclist-left-sprawling-floor-crashing-van-wrong.html
  #100  
Old May 17th 20, 01:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_6_]
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On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 10:42:21 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

Cyclists in this group have taken the side of the father because the girl
was riding a bike but what if she was on a scooter or skateboard and fell
over after being unable to slow down for a couple on the footpath?


My issue was with the chavvy potty mouthed bloke telling the 6 year old child that he couldn't "give a f***" after kicking her bike. Exactly the same as if he had kicked her scooter or skateboard and said the same to her. Nasty piece of work.

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