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Old January 6th 21, 12:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tosspot[_3_]
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On 1/6/21 4:06 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/5/2021 5:58 PM, wrote:
On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:53:19 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800 (PST), Mark Cleary
wrote:

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/

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Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better?
Deacon Mark
Well, they are relatively expensive for a bicycle saddle, they require
"breaking in" and are extremely uncomfortable for the first, perhaps,
1,000 miles, they have to be protected from getting wet else they
stretch and being leather need frequent applications of leather
dressing which Brooks will sell you for only 17 dollars for 30 ml.


Relatively expensive?Â* Well, a Google search says the Brooks Team Pro
is $144 at Modern Bike.Â* A Brooks B17 is $74.99 at xxcycle.Â* Two very
common Brooks saddles.Â* A look at Nashbar website under the saddle
section shows a total of 300 road saddles.Â* If you organize them by
price, the first 147 saddles out of 300 are between $529.99 and
$144.95.Â* At $144 you get to the first Brooks Swift saddles.Â* Swift
has titanium rails.Â* So almost half the road saddles at Nashbar are
more expensive than very popular Brooks saddles.Â* And Nashbar only has
33 saddles priced $74.99 or under.Â* $74.99 was the B17 price.Â* So 267
of 300 road saddles at Nashbar are above or maybe equal to the price
of a Brooks B17.

I suspect you think Brooks are expensive simply because they do not
make any cheap crap.Â* All of their saddles are medium priced or
slightly above.Â* No cheap junk crap Brooks saddles.Â* Whereas with all
other saddles, you have an extremely wide range of pricing.Â* If you
want to focus exclusively on the cheap crap junk saddles, then it is
easy to find cheap cheap cheap.Â* Or if you look around a bit more you
find an overwhelming number of saddles that are far more expensive
than Brooks.


Although Brooks don't work for me (and I've tried!), I do like the fact
that the designs are stable so you know what you'll get.

I've gone through various saddles on my other bikes, for example some
sort of men's Terry saddle on my touring bike, a Vetta SL saddle a
friend gave me on another bike, and saddles of forgotten origin on a
couple more bikes. I like the Terry best, but it could use replacement -
its leather cover has worn out and cracked - but I don't see a duplicate
in their catalog. I suspect they don't make this one any more, so buying
another would be a pig in a poke.


Salesman: "Ah yes, they don't make those any more. Don't know why,
they were very popular and well respected..."

Cutomer: *******S!


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Old January 6th 21, 02:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 11:59:10 AM UTC, Tosspot wrote:

Salesman: "Ah yes, they don't make those any more. Don't know why,
they were very popular and well respected..."

Cutomer: *******S!

..
i was sickened when Bell stopped making the Citi helmet, which was designed for people who sit upright on their bikes, and had several useful optional accessories. It was a superb helmet.
..
And the second series BUMM Cyo was a bummer of a lamp, compared to the first one, which was a genuine quantum sump in bicycle lamps.
..
Andre Jute
Here's a tip for industrial designers who want to survive: sometimes your predecessor did the job exactly, comprehensively right.
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Old January 6th 21, 05:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Frank Krygowski writes:

On 1/5/2021 1:00 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes:

On 1/5/2021 11:54 AM, jbeattie wrote:

I've never had a heated garage. I don't think that is even a thing
here in the U.S. except maybe in a condo building or some
super-modern construction.

Heated garages are quite common here, where winter actually gets
cold. Not that I have one, mind you. Our place predates that fashion.


Newer construction here often has the garage integrated into the house,
in which case it's simpler to heat it. Heavy, insulated garage doors
are then needed, so I guess heated garages are in part enabled by
electric door openers.


The weight of a garage door shouldn't matter if its lifting springs
are properly chosen and adjusted. Those springs should balance the
weight of the door no matter how heavy it is.


I suppose that's approximately true, but adjustment gets fiddly if you
need to balance to within a small fraction of the weight, and the
springs get bigger and scarier. I have replaced the springs on my
manually operated garage door, after one of them broke during the night
and went flying. I adjusted the springs until it was reasonably easy to
open the door, and then stopped.

I installed our electric opener in our old garage, and helped another
family member install another. The instructions made it very clear
that the opener was not designed to heft the weight of the door on its
own, and that proper spring balance was necessary.

Older garages tend to be detached, and unheated, like mine.


And like mine.

BTW, one aesthetic aspect of modern McMansions that I dislike is the
huge front-facing garage door. It's even worse when the garage door
sits several feet forward of the front door and porch. It's like the
house is actually designed for the automobile, and humans are
grudgingly allowed to live there.


Agreed. Sometimes the garage door is the most prominent architectural
feature seen from the street. I would not want to live in such a house.
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Old January 6th 21, 06:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/6/2021 11:58 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes:

On 1/5/2021 1:00 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes:

On 1/5/2021 11:54 AM, jbeattie wrote:

I've never had a heated garage. I don't think that is even a thing
here in the U.S. except maybe in a condo building or some
super-modern construction.

Heated garages are quite common here, where winter actually gets
cold. Not that I have one, mind you. Our place predates that fashion.

Newer construction here often has the garage integrated into the house,
in which case it's simpler to heat it. Heavy, insulated garage doors
are then needed, so I guess heated garages are in part enabled by
electric door openers.


The weight of a garage door shouldn't matter if its lifting springs
are properly chosen and adjusted. Those springs should balance the
weight of the door no matter how heavy it is.


I suppose that's approximately true, but adjustment gets fiddly if you
need to balance to within a small fraction of the weight, and the
springs get bigger and scarier. I have replaced the springs on my
manually operated garage door, after one of them broke during the night
and went flying. I adjusted the springs until it was reasonably easy to
open the door, and then stopped.


I agree it's scary. I've adjusted several garage doors with torsion
springs. Most involved standing on a ladder and using 1/2" x 2 foot long
steel bars to apply torque to the spring collar, then tighten down a set
screw to hold it. There's some serious energy stored there, and it's a
scary process.

OTOH, the door that I mentioned being replaced had a nifty gear driven
adjustment scheme for the torsion springs. Spinning a hex head driver
torqued the spring, easy as pie. I'm sure it was much more expensive,
but it was SO much less scary!


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Old January 7th 21, 09:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/6/2021 3:59 AM, Tosspot wrote:

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Salesman:Â* "Ah yes, they don't make those any more.Â* Don't know why,
they were very popular and well respected..."

Cutomer:Â* *******S!


“If you find something you really, really like, buy a lifetime supply;
because it'll either be changed for the worse or go out of production.â€
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