A Driver

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 7:59:49 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/11/2019 15:31, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote:
On 24/11/2019 14:04, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 5:46:18 PM UTC, Mr Pounder
Esquire wrote:
Did this. Not some **** poor ****** who rides a silly bicycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUXvxjl-5k

Actually a machine operator did it. No roadsmanship was
required. How do you know the operator was not a cyclist?

That is beyond it to know.

Is Max Verstappen a driver in Pounder's 'mind'?
https://f1i.com/images/305957-max-cy...out-route.html

It means that's all he can afford to use when travelling between race
tracks. He also needs to sell drugs and burgle old peoples' homes to
make ends meet as he goes.

Pounder will be more interested in the bulge in his shorts and whether or not he shaved his legs.


Point is just because you can handle the machinery does not mean you
are a good driver.

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

In the case Pounder cited everything was planned and executed by pedestrians. The 'driver' was only present to operated the controls. In this day and age of automation a 12yo Playstationist could have done it.

On 24/11/2019 19:59, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/11/2019 15:31, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote:
On 24/11/2019 14:04, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 5:46:18 PM UTC, Mr Pounder
Esquire wrote:
Did this. Not some **** poor ****** who rides a silly bicycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUXvxjl-5k

Actually a machine operator did it. No roadsmanship was
required. How do you know the operator was not a cyclist?

That is beyond it to know.

Is Max Verstappen a driver in Pounder's 'mind'?
https://f1i.com/images/305957-max-cy...out-route.html

It means that's all he can afford to use when travelling between race
tracks. He also needs to sell drugs and burgle old peoples' homes to
make ends meet as he goes.

Point is just because you can handle the machinery does not mean you
are a good driver.

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

A couple of elementary and essential characteristics would probably be:

(a) will not drive a vehicle which does not comply with the requirements
of the law and in particular, is fitted with all required lights and
fully-working brakes (two separate systems at that), and

(b) will never seek to make progress along a footway, the wrong way in a
one-way street or in an area where vehicles are otherwise prohibited.

There are lots of other parts of any working definition.

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 7:59:49 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/11/2019 15:31, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote:
On 24/11/2019 14:04, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 5:46:18 PM UTC, Mr Pounder
Esquire wrote:
Did this. Not some **** poor ****** who rides a silly bicycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUXvxjl-5k

Actually a machine operator did it. No roadsmanship was
required. How do you know the operator was not a cyclist?

That is beyond it to know.

Is Max Verstappen a driver in Pounder's 'mind'?
https://f1i.com/images/305957-max-cy...out-route.html

It means that's all he can afford to use when travelling between race
tracks. He also needs to sell drugs and burgle old peoples' homes to
make ends meet as he goes.

Point is just because you can handle the machinery does not mean you
are a good driver.

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

I have oft stated good driving is more about attitude than ability.
I passed my test in 1984 and with no additional training I don't seem to have the problems a lot of Youtubers experience.

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 8:35:49 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2019 19:59, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/11/2019 15:31, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote:
On 24/11/2019 14:04, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 5:46:18 PM UTC, Mr Pounder
Esquire wrote:
Did this. Not some **** poor ****** who rides a silly bicycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUXvxjl-5k

Actually a machine operator did it. No roadsmanship was
required. How do you know the operator was not a cyclist?

That is beyond it to know.

Is Max Verstappen a driver in Pounder's 'mind'?
https://f1i.com/images/305957-max-cy...out-route.html

It means that's all he can afford to use when travelling between race
tracks. He also needs to sell drugs and burgle old peoples' homes to
make ends meet as he goes.

Point is just because you can handle the machinery does not mean you
are a good driver.

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

A couple of elementary and essential characteristics would probably be:

(a) will not drive a vehicle which does not comply with the requirements
of the law and in particular, is fitted with all required lights and
fully-working brakes (two separate systems at that), and

(b) will never seek to make progress along a footway, the wrong way in a
one-way street or in an area where vehicles are otherwise prohibited.

There are lots of other parts of any working definition.

I agree.
Sadly the majority of motorists think the rules don't apply to them because they pay 'road tax'.

On 24/11/2019 20:35, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2019 19:59, TMS320 wrote:

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

A couple of elementary and essential characteristics would probably be:

(a) will not drive a vehicle which does not comply with the requirements
of the law and in particular, is fitted with all required lights and
fully-working brakes (two separate systems at that), and

(b) will never seek to make progress along a footway, the wrong way in a
one-way street or in an area where vehicles are otherwise prohibited.

So that covers about 0.001%.

There are lots of other parts of any working definition.

Quite so. Why did you bother to reply?

On 24/11/2019 20:51, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 8:35:49 PM UTC, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2019 19:59, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/11/2019 15:31, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 9:27:56 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote:
On 24/11/2019 14:04, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 5:46:18 PM UTC, Mr Pounder
Esquire wrote:
Did this. Not some **** poor ****** who rides a silly bicycle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUXvxjl-5k

Actually a machine operator did it. No roadsmanship was
required. How do you know the operator was not a cyclist?

That is beyond it to know.

Is Max Verstappen a driver in Pounder's 'mind'?
https://f1i.com/images/305957-max-cy...out-route.html

It means that's all he can afford to use when travelling between race
tracks. He also needs to sell drugs and burgle old peoples' homes to
make ends meet as he goes.

Point is just because you can handle the machinery does not mean you
are a good driver.

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

A couple of elementary and essential characteristics would probably be:

(a) will not drive a vehicle which does not comply with the requirements
of the law and in particular, is fitted with all required lights and
fully-working brakes (two separate systems at that), and

(b) will never seek to make progress along a footway, the wrong way in a
one-way street or in an area where vehicles are otherwise prohibited.

There are lots of other parts of any working definition.

I agree.
Sadly the majority of motorists think the rules don't apply to them because they pay 'road tax'.

You know that what you say is untrue.

Wildly untrue at that.

On 24/11/2019 23:50, TMS320 wrote:

On 24/11/2019 20:35, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2019 19:59, TMS320 wrote:

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

A couple of elementary and essential characteristics would probably be:

(a) will not drive a vehicle which does not comply with the
requirements of the law and in particular, is fitted with all required
lights and fully-working brakes (two separate systems at that), and

(b) will never seek to make progress along a footway, the wrong way in
a one-way street or in an area where vehicles are otherwise prohibited.

So that covers about 0.001%.

Of what?

There are lots of other parts of any working definition.

Quite so. Why did you bother to reply?

Have a guess.

Here's a clue: my post was more closely on-topic for the NG.

On 24/11/2019 20:44, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 7:59:49 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 24/11/2019 15:31, Simon Jester wrote:

Point is just because you can handle the machinery does not mean
you are a good driver.

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

I have oft stated good driving is more about attitude than ability.

No question that cycling helps enormously. I have also found that
thrashing go-karts and a few hours in a glider have helped with discipline.

I passed my test in 1984 and with no additional training I don't
seem to have the problems a lot of Youtubers experience.

I believe I have learnt to recognise in good time when somebody else is
doing something silly. And, hopefully, to reflect when I have.

I occasionally drive a minibus. Having 14 elderly people sitting
behind gives a considerable sense of responsiblity and it gives a glow
to be told on several occasions (including in writing to the
organisation) what a smooth a drive I provided. I have even had a
passenger say "oh good" when she saw that I was taking their trip.

On 25/11/2019 00:15, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2019 23:50, TMS320 wrote:

On 24/11/2019 20:35, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2019 19:59, TMS320 wrote:

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

A couple of elementary and essential characteristics would probably be:

(a) will not drive a vehicle which does not comply with the
requirements of the law and in particular, is fitted with all
required lights and fully-working brakes (two separate systems at
that), and

(b) will never seek to make progress along a footway, the wrong way
in a one-way street or in an area where vehicles are otherwise
prohibited.

So that covers about 0.001%.

Of what?

Of being a good driver. A goldfish has a better memory than you.

There are lots of other parts of any working definition.

Quite so. Why did you bother to reply?

Have a guess.

Here's a clue: my post was more closely on-topic for the NG.

If you didn't already know how much I value your opinions about
cyclists, it's zero.

On 25/11/2019 00:44, TMS320 wrote:
On 25/11/2019 00:15, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2019 23:50, TMS320 wrote:

On 24/11/2019 20:35, JNugent wrote:
On 24/11/2019 19:59, TMS320 wrote:

The hard part is to define what makes a "good driver".

A couple of elementary and essential characteristics would probably be:

(a) will not drive a vehicle which does not comply with the
requirements of the law and in particular, is fitted with all
required lights and fully-working brakes (two separate systems at
that), and

(b) will never seek to make progress along a footway, the wrong way
in a one-way street or in an area where vehicles are otherwise
prohibited.

So that covers about 0.001%.

Of what?

Of being a good driver. A goldfish has a better memory than you.

Don't be so obtuse.

I had *already* said that there is a lot more to it than those two things.

But what a pity that some classes of road-users fail at the first hurdle
and cannot be guaranteed to even try to comply with those two, eh?

And I'm not talking about pedestrians. Or drivers.
There are lots of other parts of any working definition.

Quite so. Why did you bother to reply?

Have a guess.

Here's a clue: my post was more closely on-topic for the NG.

If you didn't already know how much I value your opinions about
cyclists, it's zero.

That's the unsurprising thing about [some] cyclists: the truth really
hurts them. You'd think it would be cause for reflection and
self-perception. But it seems not.