Cyclists waste petrol

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Yes. Generally called spark plug wires in this country. They may
be
a
thing of the past. My Toyota doesn't have any but I don't know
how
common that is.

It will, but they're concealed in one tube.

No concealment on the Toyota. It has Coil-on-Plug ignition.

https://troubleshootmyvehicle.com/to...nition-coils-1


Why do they tend to put the coils on the plugs now instead of having
one big coil?

Because it works better not distributing the high voltage thru the
distributor.
And because it works better with modern computer controlled engines.

This should be fun, explaining it to someone who by their own
admission
hasn't a clue of how an IC engine works...

Yeah, bet he doesn't even know what a distributor does.

My first car was a Rover, with the distributor mounted just behind the
front wheelarch, where it regularly got soaked. I know all about the
bloody things.

But you havent noticed that modern computer controlled injected cars
don't
have them. So they can't use the old style single high voltage coil which
gets
the high voltage distributed to the individual spark plugs by the
distributor.

I assumed the computer controlled the HV.

Much more viable to do it at the 12V level and have the stepup
transformer right at the spark plug itself. That way you don't
have the problem of insulating the plug leads to the distributor.

But you do need a lot of coils.

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Cost to the customer should dictate ones further away will be less
likely to be bought, so I guess they were different carpets.

Presumably. They were all 12' rolls so I never saw the working
side.
Furniture was the same deal. There still are furniture factories in
the
south eastern US while most of the furniture I loaded on the west
coast
was from Asia.

Other products weren't so easy to rationalize. I don't know about
the
UK
but the Sunday papers (when people still read the Sunday papers)
have
a
lot of colorful advertising brochures and other crap that most
people
strip out and use to wrap garbage. I picked up a lot of those in
Boulder
CO to take to Baltimore MD, which is about 1600 miles. Nobody on
the
east coast can print useless stuff?

The whole scheme depends on cheap transportation / cheap fuel. Keep
those container ships and trucks rolling!

If your government put as much fuel tax on it as ours did, that
wouldn't
be happening.

It happens in Britain and the EU too.

Britain isn't big enough to travel very far.

But the EU is.

Most stuff I buy is made in the UK.

Don't believe that with the food.

It is, probably mainly because of our ****ed up government introducing
"local foods" advertising for the treehuggers to save transporting things.
All the supermarkets seem to be proud to show off that their food is
locally grown.

Pity about the stats that show that much of the food
consumed on that soggy little frigid island is imported.

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On 09/09/2018 01:08 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
I really ****ed off a horserider once. I was driving a very
old
Range
Rover automatic which had a conversion to LPG. It very
often
misfired,
made loud bangs, and changed gear without warning. I
managed
to
cause a
small explosion and a loud revving of the engine just as I
passed
a
horserider coming the other way along a narrow country road.
The
horse
**** itself, and so did the rider.

I did better than that... I was coming down a narrow road
that
went
past
a dude ranch on my Harley. Coming the other was was a herd of
dudes
on
their docile refugees from a canning factory led by a genuine
wild
west
cowboy. ****head's horse had a nervous breakdown while the
guests'
nags
barely roused from their stupor.

it doesn't take much to set them off. I've worked with horses
enough to
know most of them are a neurotic bundle of nerves. If the
horse
can't
handle public roads, trailer it to a nice quiet horse trail
someplace.

Indeed. Horses on roads were fine, before the invention of
the
motor car.

They weren't actually, lots got killed by them bolting etc.

They're not the brightest of animals.

They're actually quite a bit smarter than most, just a
neurotic bundle of nerves. They basically evolved that
way because they are prey to stuff like lions and tigers etc.

At one time I worked on a Forest Service ranch that was the winter
home
for about 250 head of saddle and pack stock, both mules and
horses.
I
preferred the mules. The only problem is a mule is smart enough to
look
out for number one while you can coax a horse into doing stupid
things.
otoh, most mules aren't afraid of a length of rope laying in the
trail,
running water, tree branches blowing in the wind, llamas,
bicycles,
elk,
deer, shadows, or whatever else will trigger a horse.

I've just been to this one again and was again reminded that quite
a
few
of them were kept where they were wanted to be when not actually
doing
anything by just a line of white plastic cord keeping them from
wandering
around.

That's surprising, I always see temporary electric fence.

Not sure that would work very well with Clydesdales, they have very
hairy
legs.

They operate at about 6000V, I guess it can spark through the fur.

I doubt it. We did some field trials back in the late 60s and did use
an electric fence to keep the sheep in the trial blocks. One of us used
to have his dog with him all the time. The fence didn't stop the dog.
Until one day after heavy rain, the dog tried to go thru the fence
yet again. He never tried it again after that.

So how come it gets through the much thicker wool of the sheep?

It doesn't, it works on their noses and legs.

Don't Clydesdales have noses?

They don't get anywhere near an electric fence. Those
horses are massive, the heads are well above humans.
https://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/...ok_at_the.html

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On 09/29/2018 03:46 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

We have 1,2,5,10,20,50,100,200 pence coins. They're all equally
used.
Why use two 25 cent coins when you can use a 50?

No idea. Almost all the coin trays have 5 buckets but the fifth is
most
often used to hold paper clips, rubber bands, or other small items.

One explanation is the half dollar was the last of the coins to
contain
silver and when the silver prices went up they were hoarded and
fell
out
of circulation. By the time the composite coins came out people had
gotten away from using them.

Chicken or egg, but most vending machines and the pay phones didn't
take
them.

The US did have 2 and 3 cent pieces in the 1800's. There was the
naive
thought that a coin's bullion value should match its face value so
there
was some jockeying around. The nickel won the popularity contest.

The 20 cent piece didn't last long either. That was a political
move
by
the silver miners to have the government buy more silver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Gold_speech

The US has solved that problem. None of the coinage has real worth
although you can make sort of a low grade zamak out of pennies.
Illegally, of course.

Why do you have such complicated terms for your coins? Ours are
just
called by their value - 20p, 50p, etc.

Pity about the sovereign, crown, half crown, groat, shilling,
sixpence,
quid
etc.

None of those are used anymore apart form "quid" which is simply a
synonym
for "pound".

There are still slang terms for your decimal coins and notes.

Which aren't used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slang_...United_Kingdom

The only slang term in use for a denomination is "quid".

Wrong, as always.

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Finally, if you live in an RV you get to keep it. And modify
it.
Lot
rent is quite a bit less than rental properties.

I take it RV means campervan? Those depreciate way faster than
houses.

If you don't plan on selling it who cares? Besides, as you argued
for
automobiles, buy them used after they depreciate.

Still a lot of repairs to do, like rust, and the engine of course.

Aluminum doesn't rust. RV's also include trailers so there is no
engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_vehicle

My brother had a motorhome but he towed a Toyota yacht tender
behind
it.
That's a very common practice so you have a vehicle smaller than a
bus
to drive around. With the trailer, you can drop the trailer and you
have
the tow vehicle for driving around.

There are quite a few full-time RVers in the US. Some are retirees,
others are younger and find employment as they go.

https://www.outsideonline.com/185778...re-you-park-it

When I hit the road it was in a pickup similar to the 3rd photo,
rather
than a van or some of the pickups with larger camper shells. It was
inconspicuous and could go anyplace. I wandered around the western
US
for a year, going to Arizona for the winter months, and then spent
a
year as a Forest Service volunteer. It's an interesting life; you
learn
to travel light and improvise.

I don't understand why they're still using steel on any vehicle,

Because its much cheaper than the alternatives
and isnt hard to treat so it doesn't rust.

Yet all cars rust. After the warranty period though.

No rust on my Getz and it's a long way out of warranty now.

But you live in a huge desert compared to the soggy island I'm stuck on.

You'll find no rust on the 12 year old Getzs you find there too.

I have rust on my 16 year old Renault.

Because its just another frog steaming turd with wheels.

Although to be fair it's not significant. Why did it take them until now
to work out how to stop steel rusting?

It didn't, they previously chose not to bother.

Cars used to rust after 5 years.

My 69 beetle didn't. Neither did the 73 Golf.

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On 09/26/2018 12:47 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
You currently have no dollar coin?!

Effectively, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar...(United_States)

I probably have one around here someplace. I thought I'd found it
but
it
turned out to be a token for the carousel.

We also have a two dollar bill. I've got one that I'm using as a
bookmark. They never took off either.

We do not have a three dollar bill, leading to the expression 'as
queer
as a three dollar bill'.

There is a 50 cent coin, again rarely seen. It's redundant since
you
can
make any sum with 1, 5, 10, and 25.

We have 1,2,5,10,20,50,100,200 pence coins. They're all equally
used.
Why use two 25 cent coins when you can use a 50?

Because that's what you happen to have, stupid.

Doesn't make the 50 redundant. We use 50s all the time, in fact I'd
say
all coins are used equally.

You'd be wrong about that last.

Incorrect, in my line of work I receive coins all the time, and get
equal
numbers of all of them.

Don't believe that last.

It's true.

Nope.

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One of the chain self checkouts used to just
dispense $20s here and I used that for that
reason instead of an ATM but they have
changed those now and they don't let you
specify what you want, it works that out
for you so you can still get $20s by specifying
you want $40, but you get $50s if you say
you want $50 or $100 etc. That chain has
now closed their store in my town now so
I have to use the other self checkouts.

I'll have to pay more attention the next time. I think you can
specify
a
number but the selection menu is in $20 increments. The max on the
menu
is
$200, or sometimes $100 at the smaller kiosks in markets.

I've got the feeling if you said you wanted $57 the machine would
make
impolite remarks. Maybe not, since the self service checkouts can
make
change with smaller bills. I never thought about it. I just grab
$200
and
go.

Yeah, I'm about to try them all now because I have always
preferred to have $20 notes for the garage/yard sales. $50s
can be a real hassle, particularly given that we show up
at the garage/yard sales before anyone else and hardly
any ensure that they have lots of change. I prefer to use
the self checkouts rather than ATMs just because you
don't normally have to queue for the self checkouts
and there is no chance of a skimmer on the self checkout.

You must have a lot of criminals over there.

Most of those skimming ATMs are tourists.

The problem doesn't exist here,

Wrong, as always.
https://www.google.com/search?q=atm+skimming+uk

you're doing something wrong.

Nope.

Never happened to me or anyone I know,

Never happened to me or anyone I know either.

I guess it's not that common here. Either that or you're overly
paranoid.

Or I have enough of a clue to have noticed the tourists caught doing it.

But if it's never happened to you or anyone you know, then it isn't
widespread enough to worry about.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

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On 09/29/2018 03:46 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

We have 1,2,5,10,20,50,100,200 pence coins. They're all equally
used.
Why use two 25 cent coins when you can use a 50?

No idea. Almost all the coin trays have 5 buckets but the fifth is
most
often used to hold paper clips, rubber bands, or other small items.

One explanation is the half dollar was the last of the coins to
contain
silver and when the silver prices went up they were hoarded and
fell
out
of circulation. By the time the composite coins came out people had
gotten away from using them.

Chicken or egg, but most vending machines and the pay phones didn't
take
them.

The US did have 2 and 3 cent pieces in the 1800's. There was the
naive
thought that a coin's bullion value should match its face value so
there
was some jockeying around. The nickel won the popularity contest.

The 20 cent piece didn't last long either. That was a political
move
by
the silver miners to have the government buy more silver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Gold_speech

The US has solved that problem. None of the coinage has real worth
although you can make sort of a low grade zamak out of pennies.
Illegally, of course.

Why do you have such complicated terms for your coins? Ours are
just
called by their value - 20p, 50p, etc.

Pity about the sovereign, crown, half crown, groat, shilling,
sixpence,
quid
etc.

None of those are used anymore apart form "quid" which is simply a
synonym
for "pound".

There are still slang terms for your decimal coins and notes.

Which aren't used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slang_...United_Kingdom

The only slang term in use for a denomination is "quid".

Wrong, as always.

Which words do you believe we use commonly?

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On 09/09/2018 01:08 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
I really ****ed off a horserider once. I was driving a very
old
Range
Rover automatic which had a conversion to LPG. It very
often
misfired,
made loud bangs, and changed gear without warning. I
managed
to
cause a
small explosion and a loud revving of the engine just as I
passed
a
horserider coming the other way along a narrow country road.
The
horse
**** itself, and so did the rider.

I did better than that... I was coming down a narrow road
that
went
past
a dude ranch on my Harley. Coming the other was was a herd of
dudes
on
their docile refugees from a canning factory led by a genuine
wild
west
cowboy. ****head's horse had a nervous breakdown while the
guests'
nags
barely roused from their stupor.

it doesn't take much to set them off. I've worked with horses
enough to
know most of them are a neurotic bundle of nerves. If the
horse
can't
handle public roads, trailer it to a nice quiet horse trail
someplace.

Indeed. Horses on roads were fine, before the invention of
the
motor car.

They weren't actually, lots got killed by them bolting etc.

They're not the brightest of animals.

They're actually quite a bit smarter than most, just a
neurotic bundle of nerves. They basically evolved that
way because they are prey to stuff like lions and tigers etc.

At one time I worked on a Forest Service ranch that was the winter
home
for about 250 head of saddle and pack stock, both mules and
horses.
I
preferred the mules. The only problem is a mule is smart enough to
look
out for number one while you can coax a horse into doing stupid
things.
otoh, most mules aren't afraid of a length of rope laying in the
trail,
running water, tree branches blowing in the wind, llamas,
bicycles,
elk,
deer, shadows, or whatever else will trigger a horse.

I've just been to this one again and was again reminded that quite
a
few
of them were kept where they were wanted to be when not actually
doing
anything by just a line of white plastic cord keeping them from
wandering
around.

That's surprising, I always see temporary electric fence.

Not sure that would work very well with Clydesdales, they have very
hairy
legs.

They operate at about 6000V, I guess it can spark through the fur.

I doubt it. We did some field trials back in the late 60s and did use
an electric fence to keep the sheep in the trial blocks. One of us used
to have his dog with him all the time. The fence didn't stop the dog.
Until one day after heavy rain, the dog tried to go thru the fence
yet again. He never tried it again after that.

So how come it gets through the much thicker wool of the sheep?

It doesn't, it works on their noses and legs.

Don't Clydesdales have noses?

They don't get anywhere near an electric fence. Those
horses are massive, the heads are well above humans.
https://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/...ok_at_the.html

Build a higher fence.

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On 09/26/2018 09:02 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
One of the chain self checkouts used to just
dispense $20s here and I used that for that
reason instead of an ATM but they have
changed those now and they don't let you
specify what you want, it works that out
for you so you can still get $20s by specifying
you want $40, but you get $50s if you say
you want $50 or $100 etc. That chain has
now closed their store in my town now so
I have to use the other self checkouts.

I'll have to pay more attention the next time. I think you can
specify
a
number but the selection menu is in $20 increments. The max on the
menu
is
$200, or sometimes $100 at the smaller kiosks in markets.

I've got the feeling if you said you wanted $57 the machine would
make
impolite remarks. Maybe not, since the self service checkouts can
make
change with smaller bills. I never thought about it. I just grab
$200
and
go.

Yeah, I'm about to try them all now because I have always
preferred to have $20 notes for the garage/yard sales. $50s
can be a real hassle, particularly given that we show up
at the garage/yard sales before anyone else and hardly
any ensure that they have lots of change. I prefer to use
the self checkouts rather than ATMs just because you
don't normally have to queue for the self checkouts
and there is no chance of a skimmer on the self checkout.

You must have a lot of criminals over there.

Most of those skimming ATMs are tourists.

The problem doesn't exist here,

Wrong, as always.
https://www.google.com/search?q=atm+skimming+uk

you're doing something wrong.

Nope.

Never happened to me or anyone I know,

Never happened to me or anyone I know either.

I guess it's not that common here. Either that or you're overly
paranoid.

Or I have enough of a clue to have noticed the tourists caught doing it.

But if it's never happened to you or anyone you know, then it isn't
widespread enough to worry about.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

What's silly about it? You've just admitted it's uncommon, yet your worry about it.