Spoke wrench size

On Oct 23, 2:54*pm, thirty-six wrote:
On 23 Oct, 18:55, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:



On Oct 23, 10:37*am, Johan Bornman wrote:

On Oct 22, 5:05*pm, thirty-six wrote:

On 22 Oct, 13:47, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

0.130" to 0.127" *Less than a fag paper difference. *This difference
in clearance does not damage nipples. *If you're rounding nipples
you're either using junk (new DT nipples are not junk) and/or you are
overtensioning your spokes and not releiv=ng them as you adjust the
nipples. *An accurate 0.130 key is the correct key for all European
nipples in regular bicycle gauges. *I used the red Spokey to build
over a dozen wheels with DT nipples without any prblem bar that due to
the key having such a low mass which prevents self engagement. *I used
it on who knows how many wheels on the road to prevent brake rub and a
few re-balncings following spoke breakage etc. * *I may even have a
black horseshoe key (0.127"), I dont use it because I won't search for
something that is no improvement over the correct green key (0.130").
I doubt I'll turn to any horseshoe key now that I have the metal three
cornered key. *mmmm , but the horshoe key does hang on the aero brake
lever hood nice, and wheel QR levers. * *Sort of a good cue to remind
oneself which wheel needs checking.- Hide quoted text -

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I agree. The Green Key works just fine and doesn't round the nipples.
The black key is just too time-consuming to bother with - I may bother
with it if I have to do a 16-spoke wheel with aluminium nipples but
that's it.

My preferred spoke key is a Spokey Yellow. Also very loose and I
rarely suffer a rounded nipple.

Beating this horse but I have a new Park and Pedros spoke wrenchs in
my hand, a red, green and black. I am also building a wheel right
now, 14/15 spokes, 105 hub, Mavic OpenSport and I donno, the black
spoke wrenches fit just fine(brass nipps), the red and green ones are
pretty sloppy...

For ALU nipps I use a DT 3 sided or the new Park 3 sided..holds onto
the nipp really well and is much slower to get on, 3 sided wise but
speed means nada, IMHO, of course.

Your opinion may change after using this one:http://www.uniortools.com/katimages/19444.jpg

and there is the cyclus profi, although I've not handled one, it looks
like a speed killer.

http://www.bike24.net/images/products/p048523.jpg

I have one of the Cyclus ones and altho strong, tight(like the black
Park/Pedros one), the flats are turned 45 degrees and like DT also,
slower to get onto the flats of the nipple. OK but I prefer the Park
standard one. Big ears, lots of torque but......

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Oct 23, 2:54 pm, thirty-six wrote:
On 23 Oct, 18:55, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:



On Oct 23, 10:37 am, Johan Bornman wrote:
On Oct 22, 5:05 pm, thirty-six wrote:
On 22 Oct, 13:47, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
0.130" to 0.127" Less than a fag paper difference. This difference
in clearance does not damage nipples. If you're rounding nipples
you're either using junk (new DT nipples are not junk) and/or you are
overtensioning your spokes and not releiv=ng them as you adjust the
nipples. An accurate 0.130 key is the correct key for all European
nipples in regular bicycle gauges. I used the red Spokey to build
over a dozen wheels with DT nipples without any prblem bar that due to
the key having such a low mass which prevents self engagement. I used
it on who knows how many wheels on the road to prevent brake rub and a
few re-balncings following spoke breakage etc. I may even have a
black horseshoe key (0.127"), I dont use it because I won't search for
something that is no improvement over the correct green key (0.130").
I doubt I'll turn to any horseshoe key now that I have the metal three
cornered key. mmmm , but the horshoe key does hang on the aero brake
lever hood nice, and wheel QR levers. Sort of a good cue to remind
oneself which wheel needs checking.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I agree. The Green Key works just fine and doesn't round the nipples.
The black key is just too time-consuming to bother with - I may bother
with it if I have to do a 16-spoke wheel with aluminium nipples but
that's it.
My preferred spoke key is a Spokey Yellow. Also very loose and I
rarely suffer a rounded nipple.
Beating this horse but I have a new Park and Pedros spoke wrenchs in
my hand, a red, green and black. I am also building a wheel right
now, 14/15 spokes, 105 hub, Mavic OpenSport and I donno, the black
spoke wrenches fit just fine(brass nipps), the red and green ones are
pretty sloppy...
For ALU nipps I use a DT 3 sided or the new Park 3 sided..holds onto
the nipp really well and is much slower to get on, 3 sided wise but
speed means nada, IMHO, of course.
Your opinion may change after using this one:http://www.uniortools.com/katimages/19444.jpg

and there is the cyclus profi, although I've not handled one, it looks
like a speed killer.

http://www.bike24.net/images/products/p048523.jpg

I have one of the Cyclus ones and altho strong, tight(like the black
Park/Pedros one), the flats are turned 45 degrees and like DT also,
slower to get onto the flats of the nipple. OK but I prefer the Park
standard one. Big ears, lots of torque but......

My prima donna wheelbuilders all prefer the Czech Unior
wrench. As long as I'm buying, that is.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lasvegas...okewrench.html

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 23 Oct, 22:16, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Oct 23, 2:54*pm, thirty-six wrote:


Your opinion may change after using this one:http://www.uniortools.com/katimages/19444.jpg

and there is the cyclus profi, although I've not handled one, it looks
like a speed killer.

http://www.bike24.net/images/products/p048523.jpg

I have one of the Cyclus ones and altho strong, tight(like the black
Park/Pedros one), the flats are turned 45 degrees and like DT also,
slower to get onto the flats of the nipple.

You need to get a driver with the same 45 deg offset to fully benefit
from the Profi then.

OK but I prefer the Park
standard one. Big ears, lots of torque but......

Stinks to high heaven and is blind as a bat.

On 23 Oct, 22:16, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On Oct 23, 2:54*pm, thirty-six wrote:

and there is the cyclus profi, although I've not handled one, it looks
like a speed killer.

http://www.bike24.net/images/products/p048523.jpg

I have one of the Cyclus ones and altho strong, tight(like the black
Park/Pedros one), the flats are turned 45 degrees and like DT also,
slower to get onto the flats of the nipple.

I've seriously considered your comment and noticed from the photo, the
failing of the profi. It has an end engagement slot, where it should
have a side engagement slot so that the tool may be handled and
operated by laying on the fingers instead of requiring a grasp to
provide nipple engagement. So who made this style of tool correctly?
I find it difficult to believe the profi key has not been corrected if
it not restricted by design registration/patent.

On Oct 24, 3:18*am, thirty-six wrote:
On 23 Oct, 22:16, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:54*pm, thirty-six wrote:

Your opinion may change after using this one:http://www.uniortools.com/katimages/19444.jpg

and there is the cyclus profi, although I've not handled one, it looks
like a speed killer.

http://www.bike24.net/images/products/p048523.jpg

I have one of the Cyclus ones and altho strong, tight(like the black
Park/Pedros one), the flats are turned 45 degrees and like DT also,
slower to get onto the flats of the nipple.

You need to get a driver with the same 45 deg offset to fully benefit
from the Profi then.

OK but I prefer the Park
standard one. Big ears, lots of torque but......

Stinks to high heaven and is blind as a bat.

Sorry, meant to say I have one of the Unior ones, this one, not the
Cyclus tool.

http://www.uniortools.com/katimages/19444.jpg

But after owning and trying many spoke wrenches, I still go back to
the old black Park one. Easiest to use. 'old dog, new tricks' type
thing.

On 24 Oct, 13:00, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

Sorry, meant to say I have one of the Unior ones, this one, not the
Cyclus tool.

http://www.uniortools.com/katimages/19444.jpg

But after owning and trying many spoke wrenches, I still go back to
the old black Park one. Easiest to use. 'old dog, new tricks' type
thing.

The Unior I needed to open up the slot so as to engage over 14swg
spokes cleanly. It was away from the tool head, used folded abrasive
paper most likely, took a minute at most. I suppose that you are
conditioned to using the Park and are therefore uncomfortable using an
alternative. If you handle the Unior lightly, using one or two
fingers to pass it over the spoke, then it is simple and quick to let
it go and self engage on to the nipples, it should catch the end of
the nipple and self locate, no need to check nipple flats first,
useful for failing eyesight a I suppose. The handles are about the
right position for working around a 20mm deep rim and remain
comfortable in use. I don't think its too easy to work around the
rim with the Park type from what I remember. Close spokes catch
knuckles. If using the nipple tool to wind in the tensioning turns,
this hand around the rim position makes operation of the tool much
more comfortable. Even from this position (with the Unior) it is
possible to easily torque snap a 15swg spoke with the nipple seized.

I'm thinking that you have not tried using the tool with you fingers
around the rim.

Il 22/10/2009 7.11, Gabriele R ha scritto:
Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT
Swiss Competition DB?
1)0.127 (3.22 mm)
2) 0.130 (3.3 mm)
3) 0.136 (3.42 mm)

Neither information from the DT Swiss website nor answer from them after
my e-mail. The italian DT Swiss service (!!!) office does not sound as
well informed (he thinks !!! 3.3 mm). Park Tool website says DT requires
3.22 mm.
Thanks.

For the record, real test says no 2.

On 23 Oct, 16:37, Johan Bornman wrote:
On Oct 22, 5:05*pm, thirty-six wrote:



On 22 Oct, 13:47, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

0.130" to 0.127" *Less than a fag paper difference. *This difference
in clearance does not damage nipples. *If you're rounding nipples
you're either using junk (new DT nipples are not junk) and/or you are
overtensioning your spokes and not releiv=ng them as you adjust the
nipples. *An accurate 0.130 key is the correct key for all European
nipples in regular bicycle gauges. *I used the red Spokey to build
over a dozen wheels with DT nipples without any prblem bar that due to
the key having such a low mass which prevents self engagement. *I used
it on who knows how many wheels on the road to prevent brake rub and a
few re-balncings following spoke breakage etc. * *I may even have a
black horseshoe key (0.127"), I dont use it because I won't search for
something that is no improvement over the correct green key (0.130").
I doubt I'll turn to any horseshoe key now that I have the metal three
cornered key. *mmmm , but the horshoe key does hang on the aero brake
lever hood nice, and wheel QR levers. * *Sort of a good cue to remind
oneself which wheel needs checking.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree. The Green Key works just fine and doesn't round the nipples.
The black key is just too time-consuming to bother with - I may bother
with it if I have to do a 16-spoke wheel with aluminium nipples but
that's it.

My preferred spoke key is a Spokey Yellow. Also very loose and I
rarely suffer a rounded nipple.

That's for Japanese nipples isn't it? How big are they?

On 1 Nov, 07:00, Gabriele R wrote:
Il 22/10/2009 7.11, Gabriele R ha scritto:

Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT
Swiss Competition DB?
1)0.127 (3.22 mm)
2) 0.130 (3.3 mm)
3) 0.136 (3.42 mm)

Neither information from the DT Swiss website nor answer from them after
my e-mail. The italian DT Swiss service (!!!) office does not sound as
well informed (he thinks !!! 3.3 mm). Park Tool website says DT requires
3.22 mm.
Thanks.

For the record, real test says no 2.

So which type did you get, and how did you get on with it?

Il 01/11/2009 19.38, thirty-six ha scritto:
On 1 Nov, 07:00, Gabriele R wrote:
Il 22/10/2009 7.11, Gabriele R ha scritto:

Which spoke wrench for the std 12 mm brass nipples supplied together DT
Swiss Competition DB?
1)0.127 (3.22 mm)
2) 0.130 (3.3 mm)
3) 0.136 (3.42 mm)


For the record, real test says no 2.

So which type did you get, and how did you get on with it?

I got the green Ice Toolz
(ttp://www.icetoolz.com/icetoolz/index_pro3.php?parent=4&id=315)
and completed the series of three wrenches.
No ways to mesh the black, green did.
Quite cheap, nice feeling.