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Matt O'Toole wrote:
The Real Bev wrote: Bill Baka wrote: I know what a roundabout is and we could use some here in the states. Bite your tongue. They've put a few in here as "traffic calming" devices. Big planting circle out in the middle, one lane around it, and FOUR STOP SIGNS, one on each corner. You not only have to swerve around the stupid circle, you have to stop before you do it. They've also added bumps and stop signs to all the major north/south streets and in some cases turned the parking lanes into traffic lanes, which is pretty bad news for bicyclists. I really don't want to take the lane in 50 mph traffic whether I'm entitled to be there or not. I can't imagine cars travelling at 50 MPH on streets with the features you described. Obvously you're describing different situations, or you're not describing accurately. You're correct. The north/south streets through wealthy neighborhoods get speed bumps, stop signs and traffic circles. They used to be 50-mph (when the cop wasn't looking) streets, until the residents started whining loudly. What really ****es me off is when bumps make you slow down to 15 mph in a 25 mph zone. May hoodlums fling bricks through their picture windows. Due to increased traffic, parking lanes on other streets have been converted to traffic lanes, generally a little narrower than the lane would be if there were a parking lane next to it. There is NO room on these streets to ride a bike, especially since the traffic is either 40-50 mph or bumper to bumper with frantic drivers, many/most of whom didn't drive before moving to the US as adults. I'm a big fan of roundabouts. They have them all over the UK in lieu of traffic lights. They're great because traffic moves slowly but hardly ever stops. This is good for safety, noise, and air quality. Once you get used to them, driving is easier too. Perhaps, but the local implementations suck badly. I'm also a big fan of the of the traffic calming devices used in residential neighborhoods in Vancouver -- islands like you describe, and intersections that block motorized through traffic but let cyclists and pedestrians through. Tourists complain about all the one way streets and "can't get there from here" situations, but it keeps through traffic out and speeds down in these neighborhoods. LA ought to do the same thing with some of its inner city neighborhoods -- particularly Hollywood, which has a very similar layout and traffic patterns. The problem is that the residential streets are in many cases the ONLY through streets for miles. Yeah, it's tough on the homeowners, but with the turnover in real estate I'd be willing to bet that heavy traffic was already evident when they bought their houses. -- Cheers, Bev ================================================== =========== "What's truly sad is that your vote counts the same as mine." -- S. Brown |
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"Matt O'Toole" writes: I'm also a big fan of the of the traffic calming devices used in residential neighborhoods in Vancouver -- islands like you describe, and intersections that block motorized through traffic but let cyclists and pedestrians through. A couple of times while riding by such a "traffic circle" as we call them, I've had drivers come up speeding behind me and pass me on the other side (the wrong side) of the traffic circle. Then there are the drivers, and perhaps worse -- wrong way riders, who when turning off of one street and onto the other, cut the corner and go around the traffic circle the wrong way. Those things can be a mixed blessing. The City seems to have gone overboard with them, installing them all over the place - even at poorly sight-lined intersections that would be better controlled with plain stop signs. cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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Frank K wrote:
But on a narrow residential street like that, please explain why the rider should be anywhere other than the middle of the street in the absence of any oncoming or overtaking traffic. Let's see: Perhaps because he's riding side by side with another cyclist? Or is that illegal in your book? Yeah, in other words, if there's no oncoming or overtaking traffic, the rider is best off riding straight down the freaking middle of a very narrow residential street, especially if the street is lined with parked cars as they often are in urban areas. I dont know why you'd fight this, being a lover of visibility and all that, you are most visible near the middle of the street, right? Isn't that the most important thing, to Be Visible? Put your money where your mouth is. Besides, you haven't explained what you'd do if there _were_ oncoming traffic. Yes I did, a few times. I'd move over. There you'd be, no way to maintain your minimum-acceptable 10 foot buffer. What do you do? Slow down a bit. As I wrote about four times. Keep in mind that my normal speed through the city is a crisp 18-22 mph. If you ride slow, a ten foot buffer might seem crazy to you, in fact the whole concept of leaving space might seem foreign, I don't know. Get off your bike and walk? That act is old. Listen up, Jack. I don't stop, put a foot down, or get off my bike unless I have to. That's the whole point. Again, I absolutely do not believe that you ride this way - Believe it. that is, I absolutely do not believe you stay ten feet away from every car that pulls up to a stop sign. Not every one. But if I'm riding fast and have to cross within six or seven feet of a car at a stop sign, it puts a chill through my bones. I know what happens when people do that. So I guess you're not still operating under the assumption that our riding styles are exactly the same? Good, that was disturbing. Robert |
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