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French frame questions
Retro Bob wrote:
If/when did French volume manufacturers (e.g. Motobecane/Peugeot) stop using smaller seat tubes on their butted frame sets? Are/were their downtubes different in size too ? Not clear they ever did in butted steel. French metric seat and down tubes are 28 mm vs 28.6 (1 1/8") Top tubes 25 mm vs 25.4 (1") Do I understand correctly that a French BB uses RH threads on both cups but and an English thread BB will use LH threads on the chainwheel side ? That's correct. There's a lot of info on the idiosyncracies of older French bikes on my Website at: http://sheldonbrown.com/velos Sheldon "Francophile" Brown +----------------------------------------+ | Do not do unto others as you would | | that they should do unto you. | | Their tastes may not be the same. | | --George Bernard Shaw | +----------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com |
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Sheldon Brown wrote :
Retro Bob wrote: If/when did French volume manufacturers (e.g. Motobecane/Peugeot) stop using smaller seat tubes on their butted frame sets? Are/were their downtubes different in size too ? Not clear they ever did in butted steel. French metric seat and down tubes are 28 mm vs 28.6 (1 1/8") Top tubes 25 mm vs 25.4 (1") My Motobecane Grand Jubile', which is 1977 or 1978 (IIRC, component date codes from 1977) has Vitus 172 double butted tubing and frame tube diameters of 28 mm ST, DT, and 26 mm TT. Yup, 26mm, I measured it thrice. The OE Suntour Cyclone front derailleur clamps on the 28mm seat tube just fine. The fork, stem, and BB are all metric sized, but the rear dropouts are Suntour as well, actually, to match the Suntour drivetrain and SR crankset. Go figure. |
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Retro Bob wrote:
On 15 Sep 2004 22:36:54 -0700, (Benjamin Weiner) wrote: My Motobecane Grand Jubile', which is 1977 or 1978 (IIRC, component date codes from 1977) has Vitus 172 double butted tubing and frame tube diameters of 28 mm ST, DT, and 26 mm TT. Yup, 26mm, I measured it thrice. SO... double butted... I'm figuring a mm each side where the seat post goes in ... 26mm seat post ? Or does it use .8mm tubing and hit 26.4 ? Still wondering what this stronglight seatpost I have hanging around here that measures +/- 24mm might have fit. Early French maybe ? Our Gitane tandem uses a 25.0 mm seatpost. Made it easy to make a replacement when the original broke by slightly turning down a 1" (25.4 mm) aluminum rod. |
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Peter wrote:
Retro Bob wrote: My Motobecane Grand Jubile', which is 1977 or 1978 (IIRC, component date codes from 1977) has Vitus 172 double butted tubing and frame tube diameters of 28 mm ST, DT, and 26 mm TT. Yup, 26mm, I measured it thrice. SO... double butted... I'm figuring a mm each side where the seat post goes in ... 26mm seat post ? Or does it use .8mm tubing and hit 26.4 ? Still wondering what this stronglight seatpost I have hanging around here that measures +/- 24mm might have fit. Early French maybe ? That Grand Jubile' uses a 26.6 seatpost in a 28mm diameter seat tube, suggesting a tube wall thickness of 0.6mm (or maybe 0.7, but usually there's some slop). Like a 27.2 post in a 28.6mm seat tube. Bike boom bikes come in all sorts of seatpost sizes, usually the thicker the gaspipe, the smaller the post. Our Gitane tandem uses a 25.0 mm seatpost. Made it easy to make a replacement when the original broke by slightly turning down a 1" (25.4 mm) aluminum rod. Several companies make 25.0mm posts still, I think American Classic does. Some Look and Vitus frames require the 25.0mm post. |
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