Anti French

A while ago, I tried to decide who where worse, the anti French
Americans
or the anti American French. At that time, I decided the latter,
because
most anti French Americans are simply ignorant about France, while most
anti American French have some information about America, but reject
it.

However, I would say that the anti French Americans here have enough
information about France to know better. Therefore, I identify the
jingoistic anti French Armstrong supporters with the jingoistic
anti American Virenque supporters, which is saying a lot.

-ilan

Americans are generally ignorant of everything and anyone using the word
jingoistic is a dick.


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A while ago, I tried to decide who where worse, the anti French
Americans
or the anti American French. At that time, I decided the latter,
because
most anti French Americans are simply ignorant about France, while most
anti American French have some information about America, but reject
it.

However, I would say that the anti French Americans here have enough
information about France to know better. Therefore, I identify the
jingoistic anti French Armstrong supporters with the jingoistic
anti American Virenque supporters, which is saying a lot.

-ilan

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...while most
anti American French have some information about America, but reject
it.

But that would make their opinion have a basis in fact and therefore be at
least somewhat reasonable. So by that criterium, I'd say the anti-French
Americans are worse.

Jonathan v.d. Sluis a =E9crit :
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...while most
anti American French have some information about America, but reject
it.

But that would make their opinion have a basis in fact and therefore be at
least somewhat reasonable. So by that criterium, I'd say the anti-French
Americans are worse.

Except that the usual anti American arguments are about the dominance
of America, and usually in areas where America is better. This
is exactly consistent with anti Armstrong sentiment.

Anyway, I always challenge any French person who expresses anti
Americanism.
This is particularly easy if the party is over 70 years old, as my
argument starts with: "Not everyone in France was happy to have
Americans
arrive here in WWII."

-ilan

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...while most
anti American French have some information about America, but reject
it.

But that would make their opinion have a basis in fact and therefore be at
least somewhat reasonable. So by that criterium, I'd say the anti-French
Americans are worse.

Except that the usual anti American arguments are about the dominance
of America, and usually in areas where America is better. This
is exactly consistent with anti Armstrong sentiment.

But that's ad-hoc reasoning. If you wanted to hand out your divine
preference to whichever party held the opinion you considered to be the most
correct, then there would have been no need to set some motivational
criterium, would there? You can just say, 'I sympathize with the anti French
Americans because I think they are right' and not blabber something about
rejecting information.

Anyway, I always challenge any French person who expresses anti
Americanism.
This is particularly easy if the party is over 70 years old, as my
argument starts with: "Not everyone in France was happy to have
Americans
arrive here in WWII."

Some people here in the Netherlands believe we should always agree with the
USA because they freed us from the Germans. But as it was mostly Canadians
that marched in here, there should by that rationale be at least a multiple
choice of opinions concerning many modern political issues, like the Kyoto
protocol or the war in Iraq. Sometimes, being pro-Canadian is more or less
the same as being as being anti-American, but it fully honors the Allies who
defended our Freedom to boot. Wonderful solution, don't you think?

Both countries think they are better than everyone else. I think it's
a tie.

How frustrating must it be for the frogs that the Americans are
dominating le Tour? Who's the best French hope for the future?

Alex a =E9crit :
Both countries think they are better than everyone else. I think it's
a tie.

This seems right. From my Internet experience, people from
monolithic cultures like the USA or France are pretty ignorant
about everything else and it is people from smaller countries
who have a wider perception of the world.=20

-ilan

Alex wrote:

Both countries think they are better than everyone else. I think it's
a tie.

I think you are correct

How frustrating must it be for the frogs that the Americans are
dominating le Tour?

It's probably as frustrating as good US riders find having to go all
the way to France to find a decent bike race.

I like the French. I'll gladly trade Presidents with
them....intellegence agencies, too.

Jonathan v.d. Sluis a =E9crit :

Some people here in the Netherlands believe we should always agree with t=
he
USA because they freed us from the Germans.

I'm watching French TV right now, and Dave is one of the guests. Does
that mean we should always agree with the Netherlands?

-ilan

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Alex a écrit :
Both countries think they are better than everyone else. I think it's
a tie.

This seems right.

The same seems to go for anyone anywhere steeped in nationalistic
sentiment and willing to talk about it. Geographical
pride-identification seems common, as I've observed people in my life.

From my Internet experience, people from
monolithic cultures like the USA...

Why do you say US culture is monolithic? People emigrate to the US from
all over the world. I would /guess/ the US is "rich" in cultural
diversity, rather than the opposite.

That said, (in the US) heavy-handed moralists/traditionalists (right)
and socialists (left) do everything possible to destroy diversity.

... or France are pretty ignorant
about everything else and it is people from smaller countries
who have a wider perception of the world.

I don't know about that -- it is a stereotypical judgement itself.