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Theo Bekkers wrote:
We now have two cyclists in the building but no shower. I'm trying to figure out how and where to put one in. Shipping container with one of those plastic modules you can buy? Sorry, it has been a while so I do not have a reference. we were looking at installing an ensuite in the back of our very large garage,but there were these self contained modules (just add pipes and power) that you could push in. |
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On 2008-02-20, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: AndrewJ wrote: The key point here is that one of the cyclists got the registration number of the car. Very important to train yourself to note the number first, then start yelling. Before the police did anything about it, the young lad presented himself at his local police station with his dad to report the incident and his part in it. You've got to give him (and/or his dad) marks for that. Him, not necessarily. We don't know. I suspect he turned up at home with a few dents on the car, and dad asked him what happened, and he couldn't think of a suitable lie in time. But I display bias against this guy because I think that anyone who's capable of deliberately aiming at a bunch of fellow human beings probably wouldn't have the moral makeup and be the kind of person who would show up to a police station voluntarily. What I would love to see, despite the fact it would never happen, is that if you know x people took part in an illegal activity, and only some of those x present themselves to the law (and then try to disclaim more than their share of responsibility, passing it off to another of the members who conveniently can't be found), then those who do present themselves get all of the penalty that ought to be assigned to the totality. 3 people in a car run over a bunch of cyclists, with each participant attracting 2 years in jail (and is required to restitute the victims) if they were all sentenced, and only 1 turns up to police? He gets 6 years in jail, and pays the full compensation amount himself. Would hopefully encourage people not to cover for their stupid mates. Course, they'd be less likely to turn up to police at all, but you could get around that by fooling with the prisoner's dilemma. Own up yourself, and get off lighter. Be dobbed in, get a heavier penalty. Fail to dob in people, get a heavier still penalty. -- TimC Using top down development, you never have any working code. Using bottom up development, you never solve the problem. -- John Kelly in debian-user |
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Travis wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:30 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote: The Travis that initiated this thread and said "There is the usual commentary section where people are making the usual nasty remarks about packs of lycra louts who break the law by riding two abreast causing delays to busy and important people in cars. Travis" If that wasn't you and I have offended you, it was an unintended Travisty. Theo Moderation? You have moderation? Actually I think I misread your comment. Were you saying, when you said you disagreed with me, that you disagreed with the comments I'd made at the newspaper's site (which was my original assumption, though not what I currently think you meant) or that you disagreed with my comment in aus.bicycles that the comments were full of people complaining about rampaging hordes of cyclists travelling two abreast, which I think is what you actually meant. The latter. If you read through the early comments you'll find quite a lot of people expressing outrage that these cyclists, as well as many other bunches of cyclists they had come across, were traveling two abreast, many of them obviously under the mistaken impression that this is actually illegal. More than half of those were from cyclists. :-) Theo |
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Travis wrote:
On Feb 21, 10:34 am, Travis wrote: If that wasn't you and I have offended you, it was an unintended Travisty. Actually I think I misread your comment. And besides which, I don't take offense easily. I tend to assume when there is something offensive about what someone wrote that it was unintentional, unless it was clearly deliberate, in which case I'm usually more bemused than anything else about what this person's problem is. Life's short, I figure its best not to waste it on taking offense all the time! I went to a lot of trouble to use the nearly-correctly-spelt word "Travisty", and apparently it was wasted. Oh well... :-) Theo |
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On Feb 21, 5:17 pm, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
I went to a lot of trouble to use the nearly-correctly-spelt word "Travisty", and apparently it was wasted. Oh well... :-) Theo Don't you just hate it when some inconsiderate jerk doesn't LOL at your puns? Makes you feel like running him and his bike over in your car, doesn't it Theo? ;-) Travis |
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Travis wrote:
Theo Bekkers wrote: I went to a lot of trouble to use the nearly-correctly-spelt word "Travisty", and apparently it was wasted. Oh well... :-) Don't you just hate it when some inconsiderate jerk doesn't LOL at your puns? Makes you feel like running him and his bike over in your car, doesn't it Theo? ;-) Or my new 4WD ute. Actually, I usually think of it as a failure on my part, not theirs. Theo |
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TimC Wrote: Would hopefully encourage people not to cover for their stupid mates. Course, they'd be less likely to turn up to police at all, but you could get around that by fooling with the prisoner's dilemma. Own up yourself, and get off lighter. Be dobbed in, get a heavier penalty. Fail to dob in people, get a heavier still penalty. In a logical world, the rozzers are appealing for witnesses: http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ontentID=59334 Witness call follows alleged cycle rage attack. 20th February 2008, 6:45 WST Police are appealing for witnesses after a 19-year-old Mindarie man allegedly drove into a group of four cyclists in Iluka early yesterday. One of the cyclists was knocked off his bike and went over the bonnet of the car. Police will allege the four cyclists were riding on Marmion Avenue when a red Mitsubishi Lancer drove up from behind and beeped its horn. The riders approached the driver, tapping on this window at the intersection of Burns Beach Road and the sedan then allegedly accelerated in reverse, clipping one of the cyclists, before going forward and allegedly striking another rider who went over the bonnet. The car then left the scene. A Currambine cyclist, 27, suffered a broken ankle and broken thumb. A WA police spokeswoman said this morning that police had spoken to some people who saw the incident at 7.40am, but more eyewitness accounts were needed as discrepancies remained between what the driver and witnesses were saying. Police are yet to charge the driver. Anyone who witnessed the incident is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000. -- cfsmtb |
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TimC wrote:
Theo Bekkers wrote Before the police did anything about it, the young lad presented himself at his local police station with his dad to report the incident and his part in it. You've got to give him (and/or his dad) marks for that. Him, not necessarily. We don't know. That's why I said "or his dad". I suspect he turned up at home with a few dents on the car, and dad asked him what happened, and he couldn't think of a suitable lie in time. But I display bias against this guy because I think that anyone who's capable of deliberately aiming at a bunch of fellow human beings probably wouldn't have the moral makeup and be the kind of person who would show up to a police station voluntarily. We don't know that either. I suspect that the scenario may have been a little skewed in the telling. Try this:- Young Yobbo toots at stupid cyclists in his way to demonstrate to his mates in the car that he actually has a dick and it is a really lbig one. (you with me so far?) There is a red light in front of him and he stops. Cyclists catch up, knock on his window and politely advise him that he was placing them in great personal danger with his tooting and that they were not breaking any laws by riding two abreast (it didn't actually say whether they were or not). Young Yobbo is so incenced by this that he runs over several cyclists. I have a problem at this point. I personally very much doubt that the cyclists were quite as polite as they said they were. I've been there and I wasn't. Young Yobbo puts it in reverse and backs over a cyclist. Hmm. why would he do that? Was there perhaps one of the polite cyclists blocking him from going forward? Backwards is generally not the quickest method of escape. Young Yobbo stops going backwards, aware that he has hit something, and goes forward, runs over another cyclist. Was this perhaps the cyclist that caused him to back up in the first place? Maybe even moved in front of him to attempt to block his escape. Maybe you can suggest a different scenario, and maybe the real story is something else again. We'll probably never know. 3 people in a car run over a bunch of cyclists, with each participant attracting 2 years in jail (and is required to restitute the victims) if they were all sentenced, and only 1 turns up to police? He gets 6 years in jail, and pays the full compensation amount himself. You think it fair and just to punish people for what other people did? Would hopefully encourage people not to cover for their stupid mates. Course, they'd be less likely to turn up to police at all, but you could get around that by fooling with the prisoner's dilemma. Own up yourself, and get off lighter. Be dobbed in, get a heavier penalty. Fail to dob in people, get a heavier still penalty. Not sure I agree with you on this last bit. Theo |
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Travis wrote:
No doubt we'll be hearing a lot more about this around here, but police are currently interviewing a 19 year old who alledgedly mowed down a group of cyclists in Perth's northern suburbs this morning, fortunately causing only light injuries. http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ontentID=59164 There is the usual commentary section where people are making the usual nasty remarks about packs of lycra louts who break the law by riding two abreast causing delays to busy and important people in cars. Travis Apparently my reply within the discussion topic was too offensive, as it has been removed. What do you think? My reply is below. This is the extended version, I had to remove a few lines to fit within the 5000 character limit on TheWest: Why is it so difficult for bicycle riders and drivers to get along in this country? It is truly an embarrassment to see yet another series of blog posts containing opinions along the lines of "bicycles should be registered". No other developed countries have a registration scheme for bikes, why can't we let this absurd idea go? If bicycles are registered, we should also register wheel chairs, skate boards, shopping trolleys. After all, these wheeled tools are also human powered and can prove a danger if used inappropriately. Those complaining about cyclists riding two abreast, have you considered that this is a form of self preservation on the part of the cyclists, rather than a deliberate attempt to hold motorists up? How many cyclists have you passed, or have you seen passed at close distance because the motorist was able to "just squeeze" past the cyclist, instead of waiting 10 seconds for a safer opportunity to pass? Having a vehicle quickly slip by at a distance of centimetres is an extremely nerve racking experience for cyclists. So, many will deliberately prevent it from happening. By riding two abreast, or riding in the centre of a lane (both perfectly legal activities) cyclists are actively preventing motorists from passing them at an unsafe distance. If motorists weren't so aggressive towards cyclists and completely moved into another lane when passing them *AS IS REQUIRED BY AUSTRALIAN LAWS*, then cyclists could afford not to ride in such a selfish manner. Cyclists running red lights is an unacceptable problem. As a cyclist who commutes, a motorcycle rider and regular car driver, I can safely say that that I see far more cyclists run red lights than car drivers. That said, I see far more motorists exceeding speed limits, tailgating each other, illegally passing cyclists at unsafe distances, etc, than I see cyclists running red lights. Those who contemplate, or even jokingly suggest running cyclists off the road when you see a rider break a law, why don't you also contemplate, or jokingly suggest, pulling out a gun and having a shot at any motorists you see breaking any road laws, including family, friends, or even yourself. Severe, beyond stupid, incredibly dangerous, as well as totally and utterly unjustified? I agree. What's the difference between shooting at a motorist, and deliberately driving your several tonne piece of machinery at a person on a bicycle? I see none. Both are inherently dangerous, and you're likely to end up getting someone seriously injured or killed. Of course I am not suggesting you shoot a gun at anyone, I am simply drawing what I see to be a realistic comparison. I have a simple solution to all these issues. Cyclists and pedestrians are the most vulnerable users of our roads, therefore, motorists should be completely responsible for not causing injury to these road users. Some European countries already have such laws in place. Motorists are legally required to take into account the unpredictable manoeuvres that cyclists and/or pedestrians may demonstrate (such as tripping over, loosing balance, etc), and are therefore held at fault for almost all motor vehicle vs pedestrian/cyclist collisions. The result: Motorists slow down, give cyclists and pedestrians lots of room, making naturally aspirated transport a far more pleasant experience. As a result of the more pleasant experience, more people take up cycling and walking, equalling less cars on the road, equalling a more pleasant driving experience for those that must use motorised transport. Makes sense doesn't it? We live in a country whose population is embarrassingly obese, whose city streets are becoming more and more clogged, and whose children are hermits who prefer to stay indoors playing computer games than heading out catch up with friends. We live in a world where melting ice caps is becoming more and more apparent, and where petrol prices are sky rocketing. Why is it that two forms of transport that are immediately available to many, many people, and would aid in solving all these problems, that is being embraced by developed countries all over the world, is still shunned upon by so many of our population? |
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