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On 7/17/2018 7:49 AM, Joerg wrote:
sigh Joerg, what are we talking about here? The maps they have up there mostly cover streets, not trails. Yes, streets are for transportation. But as I said, almost all bike paths are really linear parks. IOW their recreational use _far_ exceeds their transportation use - like by a 100 to 1 ratio. Go to the Bay Area, go to Sacramento, go to Davis or almost anywhere around here and you will see that that is not correct. LOL, obviously Frank is extrapolating his extremely limited experience onto the ROW. I don't know of any bike paths in the Bay Area that are "linear parks." It might be nice if some were since a path that winds its way over and under freeways is not so pleasant even if it is functional. There are some paths that pass through parks, such as the Los Gatos Creek Trail which passes through Campbell Park and Vasona Park, just because the parks were also placed alongside the creek long before the path was put in. |
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On 2018-07-17 16:38, sms wrote:
On 7/17/2018 7:49 AM, Joerg wrote: sigh Joerg, what are we talking about here? The maps they have up there mostly cover streets, not trails. Yes, streets are for transportation. But as I said, almost all bike paths are really linear parks. IOW their recreational use _far_ exceeds their transportation use - like by a 100 to 1 ratio. Go to the Bay Area, go to Sacramento, go to Davis or almost anywhere around here and you will see that that is not correct. LOL, obviously Frank is extrapolating his extremely limited experience onto the ROW. I don't know of any bike paths in the Bay Area that are "linear parks." It might be nice if some were since a path that winds its way over and under freeways is not so pleasant even if it is functional. Sometimes I chuckle when he mentions that. https://www.davisenterprise.com/file...W-1024x682.jpg This is where you can enjoy the sights and sounds of all kind of animals, lowriders with coffee pot exhausts, Diesel smells and genuine All-American Harely sounds, occasionally accented by the horn of the Amtrak Capitol Corridor train rumbling by on the other side. What a park! Here is another romantic "park" that I ride often: https://www.usbr.gov/mp/ccao/images/fsc-new.jpg It has the flair of a boring midwest freeway, "Stay Awake - Stay Alive". Pretty much every rider on those is going full bore, nose on the handlebar. ... There are some paths that pass through parks, such as the Los Gatos Creek Trail which passes through Campbell Park and Vasona Park, just because the parks were also placed alongside the creek long before the path was put in. Same here. Often that's done because the right of way was easier obtained or not an issue to begin with. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 4:38:09 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 7/17/2018 7:49 AM, Joerg wrote: sigh Joerg, what are we talking about here? The maps they have up there mostly cover streets, not trails. Yes, streets are for transportation. But as I said, almost all bike paths are really linear parks. IOW their recreational use _far_ exceeds their transportation use - like by a 100 to 1 ratio. Go to the Bay Area, go to Sacramento, go to Davis or almost anywhere around here and you will see that that is not correct. LOL, obviously Frank is extrapolating his extremely limited experience onto the ROW. I don't know of any bike paths in the Bay Area that are "linear parks." It might be nice if some were since a path that winds its way over and under freeways is not so pleasant even if it is functional. There are some paths that pass through parks, such as the Los Gatos Creek Trail which passes through Campbell Park and Vasona Park, just because the parks were also placed alongside the creek long before the path was put in. |
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On 7/17/2018 12:21 AM, Joy Beeson wrote:
... it's *very* telling that an essential feature of every "bike path" is a parking lot at each end. Excellent point. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 7/17/2018 7:38 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/17/2018 7:49 AM, Joerg wrote: sigh Joerg, what are we talking about here? The maps they have up there mostly cover streets, not trails. Yes, streets are for transportation. But as I said, almost all bike paths are really linear parks. IOW their recreational use _far_ exceeds their transportation use - like by a 100 to 1 ratio. Go to the Bay Area, go to Sacramento, go to Davis or almost anywhere around here and you will see that that is not correct. LOL, obviously Frank is extrapolating his extremely limited experience onto the ROW. My "extremely limited experience" includes riding in 47 of the U.S. states, plus over 10 European countries. I'm not claiming I've ridden bike trails in all those states and nations, but I've ridden bike trails in many of them. More significant, perhaps: My experience includes being on a statewide committee to evaluate grant applications for these things. Our committe had 53 of those applications to plow through, so I've seen what gets claimed to be "transportational." It includes trails from nowhere to nowhere in the boondocks next to perfectly good, quiet roads. It includes trails whose endpoints and midpoints have zero commercial activity and zero residences. That's not to mention the trails around here that my friends and I are very familiar with. And as Joy pointed out, almost every place they put in a bike trail, they put in parking lots. That's for the cars people use to drive to it. Yes, there are some exceptions; but I was talking about "almost all" bike paths. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 5:01:16 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
Then why do you ridicule my preparedness when you know that in our area MTB use is often required to get to certain places? It is hard not to ridicule your preparedness when 99% of us find your measurements heavily exaggerated. I don't go for a ride with the idea that I might have to save someone from dying. Fortunately for us we don"t meet those people. All those idiots bump into you. On the other hand I was stopped a couple of weeks ago by someone who had a flat and no spare or pump. I gave him a tube and spent a CO2 cartridge (I carry two of each). He insisted that I gave hime my bankaccount number so he could compensate me for the costs (6.5 euro for the tube and 1.50 euro for the CO2 cartridge). I'm still waiting. Next time he can use my phone to call a cab/his wife or he can walk... Lou |
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On 7/17/2018 6:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 4:38:09 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/17/2018 7:49 AM, Joerg wrote: sigh Joerg, what are we talking about here? The maps they have up there mostly cover streets, not trails. Yes, streets are for transportation. But as I said, almost all bike paths are really linear parks. IOW their recreational use _far_ exceeds their transportation use - like by a 100 to 1 ratio. Go to the Bay Area, go to Sacramento, go to Davis or almost anywhere around here and you will see that that is not correct. LOL, obviously Frank is extrapolating his extremely limited experience onto the ROW. I don't know of any bike paths in the Bay Area that are "linear parks." It might be nice if some were since a path that winds its way over and under freeways is not so pleasant even if it is functional. There are some paths that pass through parks, such as the Los Gatos Creek Trail which passes through Campbell Park and Vasona Park, just because the parks were also placed alongside the creek long before the path was put in. Actually, the path to Lexington has been there since before I was born. Since Lexington was built at least. Alas, my childhood at Lexington School. http://www.losgatosca.gov/images/pag...n%20School.jpg I can smell the bay trees! The part from downtown Los Gatos to Lexington is not really a bike path. I remember the first time I used it. when I got to the reservoir I had to lift my bicycle over a fence, and it was not even possible to ride the whole way. It wasn't even dirt, it was a rock path. I suppose the question is who is responsible for maintenance. It looks like the Los Gatos Creek Trail is managed by park services. https://www.losgatosca.gov/170/Parks-Trails-Locations Some of the bicycle facilities are linked parks in SCV and some are straight-up MUPs. Do you have any that are designed for bikes specifically, or are they all shared? Why is the question who maintains it? The American River Trail is basically a park. My Willamette Greenway Trail is kind of a split the difference. https://www.oregonhikers.org/w/image...C_Portland.jpg I'd take that home except the ICE protesters are blocking a portion to the north. The American River Parkway is heavily used for commuting. It does pass through parks in a bunch of cities along the way, just because parks were along the river. It also goes past Costco and REI. The most efficient facilities are the bike lanes, IMO. With that said, the long rail-trail conversions can be great because RRs required such a mild grade, generally speaking (not talking about cog railways or Sierra RRs, etc.) The Springwater east makes getting out to the country really easy. http://i.imgur.com/ps284.jpg But I'm not riding out to the country every day. I'm riding to work on ordinary roads, many with bike lanes and many without. Gotta be able to ride on the roads. The shared recreation trails are a pain though only for the first half mile or so from the closest access point, and mainly on weekends. I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. There are parking lots nearby some of the access points, in corporate locations, shopping areas, parks, and condo or apartment complexes, but these were not added for people to drive to the trail and park. The one I know of that does have parking lots along the way specifically for trail users is Sawyer Camp trail, though the parking lots are not at both ends, the northern end of the trail has no parking lot, though there is street parking close by. |
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On 17/07/2018 6:46 PM, Joerg wrote:
In the US we have a much nastier habit among weight weenie cyclists who probably find the weight of a paper tissue unbearable. So they don't carry any. When the nose gets plugged they press a finger against one side and let off a "snot rocket", then against the other for missile #2. I was almost hit by one when pulling out to pass a cyclist. It's disgusting. Yes, I'm sure it's the weight of the tissue that prevents these cyclists from using them. Maybe it's some guy coming up behind them with the tunes blaring and the bright headlight that invokes this behavior... |
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