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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
"elyob" wrote in message ... Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. I agree with you 100% but..... If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out into the road when bikes are approaching. I still agree with your post though. |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
On 11 Mar, 11:56, "Bill" wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message ... Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. I agree with you 100% *but..... If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out into the road when bikes are approaching. I still agree with your post though. I think she led the charge, not hearing anything. |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
On 11 Mar, 11:56, "Bill" wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message ... Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. I agree with you 100% *but..... If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out into the road when bikes are approaching. I still agree with your post though. Oh, and it's a one way street there. Perhaps the dog didn't realise there was a contra-flow and thought we were cycling the wrong way up a one way street. Thought it'd teach us a lesson. |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
Bill wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message ... Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. I agree with you 100% but..... If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out into the road when bikes are approaching. Do cyclists have priority over pedestrians on the road? I'm not "trolling" here, but the question of priority on the road is a very interesting one. I know common sense dictates that the more vulnerable give precedence to the less vulnerable, but does anyone know if there is a law covering it? We tend to assume that the road between the kerbs is dedicated to vehicles, but I'm not so sure. If, as a pedestrian, I strided out across a busy road, with the sole purpose of getting from A to B, could I (if I survived the experience) be charged with any offence? I wonder. -- Matt B |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:31:20 +0000, Matt B
wrote: Bill wrote: "elyob" wrote in message ... Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. I agree with you 100% but..... If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out into the road when bikes are approaching. Do cyclists have priority over pedestrians on the road? I'm not "trolling" here, but the question of priority on the road is a very interesting one. I know common sense dictates that the more vulnerable give precedence to the less vulnerable, but does anyone know if there is a law covering it? We tend to assume that the road between the kerbs is dedicated to vehicles, but I'm not so sure. If, as a pedestrian, I strided out across a busy road, with the sole purpose of getting from A to B, could I (if I survived the experience) be charged with any offence? I wonder. I think you must be able to cross the road where and when you want (with some specifically-legislated exceptions, such as motorways). ISTR an experiment to curb (if you'll pardon the pun) this behaviour in the 60's in some roads in London (Fleet Street was one for sure) where red lines were painted on the kerbs with breaks at "approved" crossing points. It was illegal to cross a red line. I remember policemen with loudhailers reminding "errant" peds when the lines first appeared. Can't remember how long they lasted, but it wasn't long. |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:28:39 -0700 (PDT), elyob
said in : Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. You ride there most days? We've probably passed each other, had we but known it :-) And I agree with you. Whoever was in the right a bike can startle even a well-trained a dog, and that is something you just don't need in this situation. Guy -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/urc "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken Contents packed by intellectual weight and may settle after posting. May contain traces of irony. |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
On 11 Mar, 12:31, Matt B wrote:
Bill wrote: "elyob" wrote in message .... Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. I agree with you 100% *but..... If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out into the road when bikes are approaching. Do cyclists have priority over pedestrians on the road? I'm not "trolling" here, but the question of priority on the road is a very interesting one. *I know common sense dictates that the more vulnerable give precedence to the less vulnerable, but does anyone know if there is a law covering it? *We tend to assume that the road between the kerbs is dedicated to vehicles, but I'm not so sure. If, as a pedestrian, I strided out across a busy road, with the sole purpose of getting from A to B, could I (if I survived the experience) be charged with any offence? I wonder. There is no applicable 'offence' of eg jaywalking in the UK. At common law of civil liability the pedestrian and motorist each owe the other a reasonable duty of care. In the practical situation, a pedestrian walking out suddenly in front of a vehicle would not be showing the motorist a reasonable duty of care, and, for practical purposes fast moving traffic wouldn't be expected to stop for every pedestrian showing intent to cross the road. For vehicle and pedestrians at, say, minor junctions, the situation is more balanced, e.g. as I recall the highway code in effect says the pedestrian should check no traffic is turning before they step off the pavement, but says traffic should give way to a pedestrian who is already crossing the road into which they are turning. There is no hard and fast general rule : it depends on a reasonable duty of care subject to the prevailing traffic situation and location. It is largely a civil law matter applicable only when some damage or injury occurs, except where a driver/cyclist is acting carelessly or dangerously as defined by the RTAs. (Pedestrians who do act carelessly or negligently and have civil action taken against them will usually be indemnified if they have have household or other insurance which covers general public liability - most household policies also cover cyclists liabilities for third party damge or injury under the same section). Toom |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:28:39 -0700 (PDT), elyob
wrote: Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog. I think you will find that Mr Guy Chapman of this group cycles in that area in the morning ........ -- In the UK in 2007 There were 30,959 pedestrians injured in traffice accidents There were 16,415 cyclists injured in traffic accidents I wonder what the relative numbers of pedestrians and cyclists in the UK is? It looks like cycling is much more dangerous than being a pedestrian. |
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To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard
wrote: snip most household policies also cover cyclists liabilities for third party damge or injury under the same section). Toom But I think that those who are relying on payout for say a head injury will find that their insurance may not cover them (or at least 100%) if they are not wearing a cycle helmet. -- In the UK in 2007 There were 30,959 pedestrians injured in traffice accidents There were 16,415 cyclists injured in traffic accidents I wonder what the relative numbers of pedestrians and cyclists in the UK is? It looks like cycling is much more dangerous than being a pedestrian. |
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