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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 07:51:07 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-04-27 15:51, John B. wrote: On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:54:56 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-26 16:24, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-25 15:48, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: [...] It often takes the bicycle industry decades longer to figure something out. Such as decent heavy-duty rack space on FS MTB and central-battery powered lighting where, no surprise, I had to build it all myself. Beats me why one still cannot buy this: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy5.JPG Probably because if your using the bike differently to others, my commute bike though a hardtail is closer to that set up with panniers and a barbag as I found the weight on the rear effected the handling though with the weight spread even fully Laden the bike can be some fun in the woods if one wants. But for the Nice MTB I don’t need to take so much gear and as a leisure rather than transport it’s a much nicer ride unladen. Even during fun rides I carry a full tool kit, a big lock, some spare parts and most of all water. The water alone can be north of a gallon in summer because many MTB trails have no opportunity to refill (safely). How often or likely is a full tool kit needed? Personally I do take some Allen keys but can’t remember the last time they where needed. You could have asked the guy whose shifter cable snapped and the limit screws had Allen heads so were not adjustable via Swiss Army knife. Err... the five Allan wrenches that I carry allow me to tighten or loosen every threaded fastener on the bike and weigh considerably less than a "Swiss Army Knife". ... If you have the right size among them. I like to have it all. Now in the shape of a Crankbrothers M19 tool which ... drum roll ... even contains a chain breaker. If they have the right size? Allan wrenches are normally sold in sets (several different sizes) so one can just select the ones that do fit and carry them :-) https://www.crankbrothers.com/products/m19 Plus a Swiss Army knife. Always. And a first aid kit. And a lock. And ... ... But of course I can't fight off a raging mountain lion with my Allan wrench.... Or a rattlesnake. The other shortcoming of Allen wrenches is that they do not have a bottle opener or corkscrew. They also lack a can opener, for example, if you like to have anchovies on your sandwich. Good Lord! You say that you are riding a bicycle, not on some sort of odyssey where one needs to carry provisions. Just eat, than ride, than eat when you get home again. I used to do 4 to 6 hour rides without stopping for lunch. You obviously can't do this on tea and toast but a good breakfast should see you through to lunch. Or at least it used to back in the day when farmers actually worked all day :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:58:16 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/28/2019 9:51 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-27 15:51, John B. wrote: On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:54:56 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-26 16:24, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-25 15:48, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: [...] It often takes the bicycle industry decades longer to figure something out. Such as decent heavy-duty rack space on FS MTB and central-battery powered lighting where, no surprise, I had to build it all myself. Beats me why one still cannot buy this: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy5.JPG Probably because if your using the bike differently to others, my commute bike though a hardtail is closer to that set up with panniers and a barbag as I found the weight on the rear effected the handling though with the weight spread even fully Laden the bike can be some fun in the woods if one wants. But for the Nice MTB I don’t need to take so much gear and as a leisure rather than transport it’s a much nicer ride unladen. Even during fun rides I carry a full tool kit, a big lock, some spare parts and most of all water. The water alone can be north of a gallon in summer because many MTB trails have no opportunity to refill (safely). How often or likely is a full tool kit needed? Personally I do take some Allen keys but can’t remember the last time they where needed. You could have asked the guy whose shifter cable snapped and the limit screws had Allen heads so were not adjustable via Swiss Army knife. Err... the five Allan wrenches that I carry allow me to tighten or loosen every threaded fastener on the bike and weigh considerably less than a "Swiss Army Knife". ... If you have the right size among them. I like to have it all. Now in the shape of a Crankbrothers M19 tool which ... drum roll ... even contains a chain breaker. https://www.crankbrothers.com/products/m19 Plus a Swiss Army knife. Always. And a first aid kit. And a lock. And ... ... But of course I can't fight off a raging mountain lion with my Allan wrench.... Or a rattlesnake. The other shortcoming of Allen wrenches is that they do not have a bottle opener or corkscrew. They also lack a can opener, for example, if you like to have anchovies on your sandwich. You can't foresee every potential hazard. Ride with a snake bite kit, Narcan, Cipro, a pistol, flares, iodine tablets? Sheesh I don't. As the great sage Willie Dixon wrote about a $50 bill, "Grant will get you out of whatever you're in". Traveling light works for me, YMMV. It does for most people... but of course you are not pioneering a path through the forest primeval where cows and horses play. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 09:51:42 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-04-28 08:58, AMuzi wrote: On 4/28/2019 9:51 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-27 15:51, John B. wrote: On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:54:56 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-26 16:24, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-25 15:48, Roger Merriman wrote: Joerg wrote: [...] It often takes the bicycle industry decades longer to figure something out. Such as decent heavy-duty rack space on FS MTB and central-battery powered lighting where, no surprise, I had to build it all myself. Beats me why one still cannot buy this: http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy5.JPG Probably because if your using the bike differently to others, my commute bike though a hardtail is closer to that set up with panniers and a barbag as I found the weight on the rear effected the handling though with the weight spread even fully Laden the bike can be some fun in the woods if one wants. But for the Nice MTB I don’t need to take so much gear and as a leisure rather than transport it’s a much nicer ride unladen. Even during fun rides I carry a full tool kit, a big lock, some spare parts and most of all water. The water alone can be north of a gallon in summer because many MTB trails have no opportunity to refill (safely). How often or likely is a full tool kit needed? Personally I do take some Allen keys but can’t remember the last time they where needed. You could have asked the guy whose shifter cable snapped and the limit screws had Allen heads so were not adjustable via Swiss Army knife. Err... the five Allan wrenches that I carry allow me to tighten or loosen every threaded fastener on the bike and weigh considerably less than a "Swiss Army Knife". ... If you have the right size among them. I like to have it all. Now in the shape of a Crankbrothers M19 tool which ... drum roll ... even contains a chain breaker. https://www.crankbrothers.com/products/m19 Plus a Swiss Army knife. Always. And a first aid kit. And a lock. And ... ... But of course I can't fight off a raging mountain lion with my Allan wrench.... Or a rattlesnake. The other shortcoming of Allen wrenches is that they do not have a bottle opener or corkscrew. They also lack a can opener, for example, if you like to have anchovies on your sandwich. You can't foresee every potential hazard. Ride with a snake bite kit, Narcan, Cipro, a pistol, flares, iodine tablets? Sheesh I don't. I know I should have added a smiley. ... As the great sage Willie Dixon wrote about a $50 bill, "Grant will get you out of whatever you're in". Traveling light works for me, YMMV. That part of my baggage is for beer. Strictly beer. And maybe a pretzel with Obatzda or at least some melted cheese. So you are a lush that can't function for even a short time without a drink? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 07:55:32 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-04-27 15:33, John B. wrote: On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:27:33 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-26 16:20, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:40:39 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-04-25 16:27, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 12:22:41 -0700, Joerg wrote: [...] It's lasted many thousand hard miles now which included heavy loads. Yeah, that bike is heavy but it never breaks down anymore. The carbon-fiber bicycles are so popular is because they are light :-) I doubt that marketing a bike because it is heavier than all the rest would be a real smart marketing move :-) No, it has to be marketed as sturdier than the others. That gets customers. Why do you think heavy SUVs sell so well in some areas? The reason that USV's were invented was to circumvent U.S. regulations about fuel economy (if I remember correctly). By building a vehicle on a truck chassis and classifying it as a truck the fuel consumption limits for automobiles didn't apply. That sounds like fake news. My SUV is classified as a passenger vehicle, else it would require a different kind of license plate like the pickup truck of a neighbor does. He also has to pay more tax on it. No it isn't. I was alive and well when the SUV's were "invented" and it was common knowledge then. the first vehicle stated to be a SYV seems to have been the International Harvester Travelall in 1956 (credited as being the first full-size SUV). Even the Wiki seems to know why the term and model came about, "For example, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations previously included "permit greater cargo-carrying capacity than passenger carrying volume" in the definition for trucks, resulting in SUVs being classified as light trucks. This classification as trucks allowed SUVs to be regulated less strictly than passenger cars under the Energy Policy and Conservation Act for fuel economy, and the Clean Air Act for emissions. Even a casual look would have let you in on the secret . Why do you think the Ford Ranger is out of favor? AFAIK that size does not fall under CAFE loophole and that's the size of many modern SUV (such as mine). The point is that you believed that my statement that SUV's evolved to avoid fuel consumption laws was incorrect and I proved that what I said was correct. Now you are off on a tangent about Fords. Which have nothing to do with the subject... that you didn't know why SUV's originally came about haven't even tried to find out before branding my true statement as false news. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:01:56 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
wrote: John B. wrote: :On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:27:33 -0700, Joerg :wrote: :On 2019-04-26 16:20, John B. wrote: : On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:40:39 -0700, Joerg : wrote: : : On 2019-04-25 16:27, John B. wrote: : On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 12:22:41 -0700, Joerg : wrote: : : :[...] : : : It's lasted many thousand hard miles now which included heavy loads. : Yeah, that bike is heavy but it never breaks down anymore. : : The carbon-fiber bicycles are so popular is because they are light :-) : : I doubt that marketing a bike because it is heavier than all the rest : would be a real smart marketing move :-) : : : No, it has to be marketed as sturdier than the others. That gets : customers. Why do you think heavy SUVs sell so well in some areas? : : The reason that USV's were invented was to circumvent U.S. : regulations about fuel economy (if I remember correctly). By building : a vehicle on a truck chassis and classifying it as a truck the fuel : consumption limits for automobiles didn't apply. : : :That sounds like fake news. My SUV is classified as a passenger vehicle, :else it would require a different kind of license plate like the pickup :truck of a neighbor does. He also has to pay more tax on it. :No it isn't. I was alive and well when the SUV's were "invented" and :it was common knowledge then. the first vehicle stated to be a SYV :seems to have been the International Harvester Travelall in 1956 credited as being the first full-size SUV). Land-Rover were selling long wheelbase models with station wagon bodies before that. Several companies built things that could have been called SUV's but they weren't. The first "SUV's" were invented - a pickup frame and running gear with a car body - specifically to evade U.S. regulations about fuel consumption. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:15:48 -0700, John B.
wrote: Good Lord! You say that you are riding a bicycle, not on some sort of odyssey where one needs to carry provisions. Just eat, than ride, than eat when you get home again. I used to do 4 to 6 hour rides without stopping for lunch. You obviously can't do this on tea and toast but a good breakfast should see you through to lunch. Or at least it used to back in the day when farmers actually worked all day :-) I have to be fed every four hours. It was worse when I weighed a hundred and twenty on a frame that now carries a hundred and sixty pounds and a lot less muscle -- I had to keep a hard candy in my mouth most of the time that I was riding, or I'd feel like a puppet with cut strings when I got off the bike at home. But I've never carried any more emergency food than I can close my hand around. (Food bars and snack sticks, mostly.) Somebody on our tour from Albany, New York, to Warsaw, Indiana, had ramen-noodle in his panniers, but it wasn't me and I don't recall that we ever ate it. (We slept in some odd places, but there was always a place to eat.) I was travelling with three people who ate only at suppertime; my solution was to keep a box of dried fruit or the like in my handlebar bag and snack whenever we paused. The night that I realized that I couldn't go on eating both my meals and their meals, they thought I'd taken sick! The hotels would have to be a lot closer together if I attempted that ride today. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ |
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 19:42:11 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote: On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:15:48 -0700, John B. wrote: Good Lord! You say that you are riding a bicycle, not on some sort of odyssey where one needs to carry provisions. Just eat, than ride, than eat when you get home again. I used to do 4 to 6 hour rides without stopping for lunch. You obviously can't do this on tea and toast but a good breakfast should see you through to lunch. Or at least it used to back in the day when farmers actually worked all day :-) I have to be fed every four hours. It was worse when I weighed a hundred and twenty on a frame that now carries a hundred and sixty pounds and a lot less muscle -- I had to keep a hard candy in my mouth most of the time that I was riding, or I'd feel like a puppet with cut strings when I got off the bike at home. Really? I ask as my wife (75 years, 5'4", ~65 kg.) eats two meals a day and seems to get along pretty well. But she is a Buddhist and one of the Buddhists beliefs is that gluttony is a sin :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On 4/28/2019 7:42 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:15:48 -0700, John B. wrote: Good Lord! You say that you are riding a bicycle, not on some sort of odyssey where one needs to carry provisions. Just eat, than ride, than eat when you get home again. I used to do 4 to 6 hour rides without stopping for lunch. You obviously can't do this on tea and toast but a good breakfast should see you through to lunch. Or at least it used to back in the day when farmers actually worked all day :-) I have to be fed every four hours. It was worse when I weighed a hundred and twenty on a frame that now carries a hundred and sixty pounds and a lot less muscle -- I had to keep a hard candy in my mouth most of the time that I was riding, or I'd feel like a puppet with cut strings when I got off the bike at home. But I've never carried any more emergency food than I can close my hand around. (Food bars and snack sticks, mostly.) Back when I would ride centuries at the drop of a hat, or even ride them accidentally, I was in the habit of munching peanuts and raisins every hour or so. I kept a baggie full of the mix in my handlebar bag. I'd also set my watch to beep every ten minutes, to remind me to take a swig of water. I've since gotten out of both habits. The munching snacks are still in my handlebar bag, and my water bottles are in their cages, but I'm not ad disciplined about partaking. Maybe if I did that again, I'd be able to do the mileage I once did? But sadly, I doubt it. :-( -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 29/4/19 6:12 am, jbeattie wrote:
I've broken four or five Campy NR cranks, two or three Shimano Ultegra cranks, an Ofmega track crank, an old Stronglight 93. I had two CF cranks with pedal eyes that cracked and separated from the CF layup (SRAM Red and FSA). I bent first generation Dura Ace/Look pedal spindle, snapped a Ti ER platform pedal spindle, snapped a spindle on a Look pedal. I broke chains, but usually because I had been sloppy reinstalling a pin or because a shift side-loaded a quick link. Conventional drive trains can and do break. I've scootered home or to the nearest bike shop or hitch-hiked (broken too-light-for-touring 5sp chain in the middle of nowhere Washington) too many times. BTW, none of those failures landed me on the road, even though all of the crank failures were during out of the saddle efforts. I think you should try to write that as a song, like the 12 days of Christmas. I haven't broken that many bits. Handlebars, BB axle, a couple of pedals and a fork steerer - but in recent years I've seen a few broken chains happen and zero broken cranks. Whether it is a symptom of narrow chains and special joining pins and such, I can't say, but chains seem to be a bit vulnerable. I managed to break a budget quick link, but that has been the only chain problem for me. Using Connex quick links have been fine. -- JS |
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On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 9:12:38 AM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
Chains usually do not snap without some serious lack of maintenance or running them way past prime. Never heard of a driveshaft break except once on a heavy vehicle (bus). Belts usually snap out of the blue. I've been on two rides where bicycle chains broke. One was mine. Hit a small bump/curb on the trail when crossing a street and the chain jumped off its cogs/pulleys/rings and got lodged somehow and it broke when I started pedaling again. Used the chain tool to remove the broken link and put in one of the quick links to reconnect everything. Other time was on a group ride and one of the riders broke his chain. I used my chain tool to remove the broken link and gave him my quick link to put everything back together. Took a few minutes on the side of the road to get everything working again.. But it was all resolved successfully. So people who think chains don't break on rides are living in some make believe fantasy land. As for cranks a friend of mine had an expensive Campagnolo crank break and it was clearly a manufacturing defect but they refused to even do a warranty exchange. He landed towards the middle of the road but luckily no cars came along. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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