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State your opinion on COVID-19
with AMuzi wrote:
On 3/30/2020 7:56 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:31:50 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:34:36 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:24 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: Sir Ridesalot writes: On Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:02:23 UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:37:44 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:12:34 +0700, John B. wrote: *SKIP* Now there's a great question! And 'technical' too ! I had no idea but it turns out to be amazingly universal: https://sciencenotes.org/wp-content/...aElementov.png *SKIP* I suppose that this is how rumors start. (someone who doesn't understand what he/she/it is talking about explaining something :-) *SKIP* Thank you. I found it in an image search for 'foreign language periodic table' in response to a query about Russia. You better be careful here. There's that dude who is/was so interrested in Russia he'd been sacked and is now held for ransom. -- Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom |
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State your opinion on COVID-19
On 3/30/2020 9:45 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
John B. writes: On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:31:50 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:34:36 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:24 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: Sir Ridesalot writes: On Sunday, 29 March 2020 21:02:23 UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:37:44 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:12:34 +0700, John B. wrote: It depends on the surface. For sars-Cov2, Cu about 4 hours to plastic for weeks. also depends on the mu-flora and wheather if gets consumed ' Ok, on a plastic surface it is viable for weeks. But what is Cu? and I did look... and came across 82 definitions, starting with Credit Union and ending with Coefficient of Utilization. -- cheers, John B. Cu (from Latin: cuprum)is the symbol for copper. Cheers Or Christian Union, or Coming Unglued, or Celeron Unit, or Cardiac Unit, or... :-) Yes, any of those might have it too, but you wouldn't normally define them as a surface I was attempting to point out how ludicrous this constant use of abbreviations is. I mean, well... if you can't spell than, what the hell, just look it up. But apparently I was being too subtle :-( -- cheers, John B. A LOT of people use their cell phone to access this newsgroup and thus rely on abbreviations to keep their texts shorter. Chemists use them because they are understood regardless of language, although I'm not sure what they do in non-Latin scripts. Now there's a great question! And 'technical' too ! I had no idea but it turns out to be amazingly universal: https://sciencenotes.org/wp-content/...aElementov.png https://sciencenotes.org/wp-content/...huuki-hyou.png Hey Mr Slocumb: http://canov.jergym.cz/vyhledav/varianty/th.gif Yup, seems to be a chart of how letters of the English alphabet are pronounced. For Thai children, I'd guess. I can't read Thai, but it's plainly a periodic table of the elements, for Thai children learning chemistry, I'd guess. you can see the pictures illustrating a use of each element, for example Mn (manganese) is an i-beam, S (sulfur) is a vulcanized rubber tire, Co (cobalt) is a magnet, H (hydrogen) is a zeppelin. Sc (scandium) is a bicycle, I had no idea what that was about, but it seems that scandium alluminum alloys are a thing: http://www.konabikeworld.com/08_tech_scandium.htm Nice find. I suppose that this is how rumors start. (someone who doesn't understand what he/she/it is talking about explaining something :-) The chart that Andrew posted the reference to is a Thai language chart to teach children the pronunciation of English language letters and is clearly labeled as such. I described the"K" in the left column for somebody. It is pronounced like the first part of the Thai word "Kloo-ah" (common English translation) which in English would be called a banana. Grade school children in Thailand learn how to pronounce the English "Nb"? How do they say it? Trick question. 'Columbium' -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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State your opinion on COVID-19
Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes: On 3/30/2020 12:12 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/30/2020 5:58 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote: Am 29.03.2020 um 03:40 schrieb John B.: how long does a virus, or perhaps more accurately a virion, remain viable and able to infect another creature if it is outside a living body. Or in simple terms if a virion falls on the floor how long can it lay there and still be capable of causing a disease? This is completely unknown.* What we do know are some numbers how long the virus DNA is detectable on various surfaces.* We do not know how much virus load is needed to trigger an infection (with measles it's very few, with COVID, it's probably a lot), and we don't know how long the virus stays in an active form outside the body. The only thing that we can safely say is that smear contagion is a very minor source of infection compared to droplet contagion. So how much are you willing to bet on it? I had been wondering about required viral load with this virus, with the understanding that it is probably an unknown. Regarding "smear contagion": I've seen a photograph of a certain very intelligent guy - an online colleague whom I've met - spraying down his groceries in his driveway. According to this article, that's probably gross overkill: https://vitals.lifehacker.com/you-do...ies-1842528397 Your online colleague might be both overdoing it and not using effective means to destroy the virus before whirling it at his direction, but he probably is more intelligent than some journo who warns her rather clueless readership about ingesting soap. Yes, the soap remark was strange. But getting back to the matter of groceries, there's this: "... currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19." That's from https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety...-2019-covid-19 The medical profession seems to have trouble with admitting that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. In any warlike situation, never look for individually sound advice from bureaucrats in government agencies. I was struck by this sentence: If you are concerned about contamination of food and food packaging you have purchased from the grocery store, wash your hands after handling food and food packages when you return from the grocery store and after removing packaging from food. Because we typically did not remove packaging from food until we're ready to use it, keeping it in the original bags or boxes. Now we either remove it from packaging in a "dirty" area, or wipe down the packaging. But you will do as you see fit. Ohio actually seems to be in pretty good shape. Evil doctor, can't the FDA dronestrike him? https://www.foxla.com/news/sanitize-groceries-discard-takeout-containers-immediately-doctor-demonstrates-sterile-technique Another evil doctor, seems to cure elderly Covid-19 sufferers in early stages with $20 worth of drugs, shouldn't something be done about the guy's cruise control? https://matzav.com/wp-content/upload...9-01-22-37.mp3 https://www.globalresearch.ca/report-successful-treatment-coronavirus/5708056 |
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Am 31.03.2020 um 16:18 schrieb Sepp Ruf:
Another evil doctor, seems to cure elderly Covid-19 sufferers in early stages with $20 worth of drugs, shouldn't something be done about the guy's cruise control? https://matzav.com/wp-content/upload...9-01-22-37.mp3 https://www.globalresearch.ca/report-successful-treatment-coronavirus/5708056 Hydroxychloroquine with the well-known risk 'permanent loss of eyesight' does not feel perfect for "the early stages of COVID". German University hospitals use it in intensive care when already a pneumonia has developed. Throwing your patients down a bridge also ensures that they don't die of COVID ;-( |
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Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 31.03.2020 um 16:18 schrieb Sepp Ruf: Another evil doctor, seems to cure elderly Covid-19 sufferers in early stages with $20 worth of drugs, shouldn't something be done about the guy's cruise control? https://matzav.com/wp-content/upload...9-01-22-37.mp3 https://www.globalresearch.ca/report-successful-treatment-coronavirus/5708056 Hydroxychloroquine with the well-known risk 'permanent loss of eyesight' OK, this is rbt, but quantify risk by severity only? "This medication may rarely cause serious (sometimes permanent) eye problems or muscle/nerve damage, especially if you take it for a long time." (webmd) does not feel perfect for "the early stages of COVID". Thyme tea sounds perfectly safe, I shall buy another boatload of it today before shelves are empty. I'm fully aware that the elderly ex-mayor's podcast with Zelenko is only slightly more joy to listen to than a Trump press conferences, but you made it through in less than 13 minutes? We'll eventually find out if Zelenko's patients got through this better than comparable groups. Better old and blind in a closely knit community than young and drowned at the ICU: http://www.leparisien.fr/essonne-91/morsang-sur-orge-91390/julie-16-ans-decedee-du-coronavirus-personne-n-est-invincible-se-desole-sa-soeur-27-03-2020-8288850.php German University hospitals use it in intensive care when already a pneumonia has developed. Maybe after having damaged patients by throwing everything from antibiotics, Aids-medication, colchicine, etc. at them? https://dasgelbeforum.net/index.php?id=519857 Throwing your patients down a bridge also ensures that they don't die of COVID ;-( I guess it depends on the statistician -- and MHL. Italy does not have a cyclist MHL, so under Italian bridges, the bodies would be Wuhan tested post-mortem and recorded as Covid victims. |
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State your opinion on COVID-19
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 9:23:37 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/30/2020 9:23 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 6:09:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 3/29/2020 7:57 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:01:53 +0300, Eric Pozharski wrote: with John B wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, 28 March 2020 12:01:47 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. *SKIP* Thailand has imposed some pretty draconian regulations to fight the virus and while I'm not sure whether it is a viable calculation their new cases number is 8% of total cases. The U.S. with apparently fewer restrictions has a new case total of about 14% of the total cases. At this rate the U.S. will exceed 200,000 cases in about 4 more days :-( For kernel's sake, can we start to think in ratios, plz? Let me reframe this. X -- grand total cases (not mentioned in the post by "John B"; I'm not going to figure out at how many it is/was (at time of posting by "John B")) x_t -- cases in Thailand (0.08X) x_u -- cases in USA (0.14X) p_t -- population in Thailland (694 of 100K people, estimate 2018) p_u -- population in USA (3087 of 100K people, estimate 2019) Now, r_t would be ( x_t X / p_t ) or ( 1.15e-4 X ), and r_u would be ( x_u X / p_u ) or ( 4.54e-5 X ). Now, it looks like USA is going 2.54 better then Thailand. But important question is -- at what timespan? plz fill in blanks and/or correct me if I'm wrong. You don't have to do all that fancy figuring. Just look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries The U.S. has 426 cases per 1,000,000 population and Thailand has 20 cases per 1,000,000 population. The U.S. has had 7 deaths/1 million and Thailand 0.1/1 million. Oh Yes, "time span" The U.S. reported their first virus case on 10 January and Thailand on 12 January. The U.S. reported 7,412 new cases as of March 29, 2020, 22:34 GMT and Thailand reported 143 ( that is 22.47/1 million and 2.0). If daily the difference is so great than 2 days is negligible :-) -- cheers, John B. As yet there's no way to know how many people are/ were infected, asymptomatic carriers, recovered without result or report, and so on. These are preliminary figures and as is often said, in war the first three reports are wrong. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 They have again ceased testing people that are not showing serious symptoms. So again that means is that those testing positive are only the 20% of people that aren't asymptomatic or with mild to very moderate symptoms. I is very serious that they are not even attempting to get an accurate baseline to judge mortality rates with. Tom, you keep harping on your theory that this virus isn't very bad, and your theory that the mortality rate is grossly overstated. You've harped on the fact that the flu can kill tens of thousands, so this virus is no worse than the flu. Weirdly, your orange hero seems to have stopped listening to you. He's now saying that IF we can hold U.S. deaths to 100,000 that will be a "very good job." You need to give him another phone call. Set the man straight! https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-very-good-job -- - Frank Krygowski Exactly how can you stand to live with yourself? The President is in a position in where he has to get the population prepared for the worst case and not a for-joy for-joy scenario. As it turns out 4 out of 5 people appear to be naturally immune to the disease to begin with. That means to the very uninformed people like you that the target population is only 64 million. Large but not unmanageable since the people most at risk are in focused groups in large cities like New York. 80% of this group have silent or mild symptoms. That reduces the target group to 12.8 million. Of this group without any forms of treatment that would make the 1.3% fatality rate only 33,280 which while massive is still less than the yearly influenza death toll in the AVERAGE year. However, we now have 3 forms of treatment that have proven to be very effective and all you have to do is determine which of these treatments are best for your patient. Presently in the US we have about 10% of those deaths and it is very likely that they are going to taper off quickly like they did in China. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...n-covid-19.php |
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On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:31:32 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 31.03.2020 um 16:18 schrieb Sepp Ruf: Another evil doctor, seems to cure elderly Covid-19 sufferers in early stages with $20 worth of drugs, shouldn't something be done about the guy's cruise control? https://matzav.com/wp-content/upload...-01-22-37..mp3 https://www.globalresearch.ca/report-successful-treatment-coronavirus/5708056 Hydroxychloroquine with the well-known risk 'permanent loss of eyesight' does not feel perfect for "the early stages of COVID". German University hospitals use it in intensive care when already a pneumonia has developed. Throwing your patients down a bridge also ensures that they don't die of COVID ;-( People with Lupus and other rheumatoid conditions use this stuff daily at 10 mg/kg doses. The treatment they are using for covid-19 is 7.8 mg/kg for perhaps a week. You all seem to be working very hard to run about screaming "The Sky is Falling, the Sky is Falling". |
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On 3/28/2020 12:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Follow up: My friend is finally off the ventilator, conscious and eating. He was on the ventilator for a solid month. Another friend, an long time surgical and emergency nurse, says he's extremely lucky; that it's very rare for a person to be on a ventilator that long and survive. They have detected damage to kidneys, liver, etc. I'm hoping all that recovers. Again, he had no pre-conditions, is in his early 50s, is slim and is (or was) a VERY strong rider. Apparently he caught COVID while on vacation in Florida in mid-February. That's back when we were told: Feb 24th - “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” Feb 25th - “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.” Feb 25h - “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.” Feb 26th - “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 4/30/2020 2:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/28/2020 12:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. Follow up: My friend is finally off the ventilator, conscious and eating. He was on the ventilator for a solid month. Another friend, an long time surgical and emergency nurse, says he's extremely lucky; that it's very rare for a person to be on a ventilator that long and survive. They have detected damage to kidneys, liver, etc. I'm hoping all that recovers. Again, he had no pre-conditions, is in his early 50s, is slim and is (or was) a VERY strong rider. Apparently he caught COVID while on vacation in Florida in mid-February. That's back when we were told: Feb 24th - “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” Feb 25th - “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.” Feb 25h - “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.” Feb 26th - “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” The Fauci quotations are exactly the same over that period. One often doesn't know what one doesn't know despite prior achievement or general perspicacity. I heard Gordon Chang discussing this on 7 January with follow up telephone interviews through January from Daniel Yon, an American in HongKong reporting on the insurgency and well connected in China. It was just another anomaly among many from China; no one realized its potential, even people who reported the CCP was covering up the number of deaths. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs, defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions. Things get obscured. So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew. Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu? Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give their opinion too. BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who (almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage. -- - Frank Krygowski My significant other is a surgeon. All her patients have tested positive. Two died before operations (vascular procedures / dialysis catheter) from C-19. We live in the norm now. Some have contracted it from nursing homes. Some from going to church. Jerks! She tested negative. But me, working for the American Dental Association, have seen dental in a different light. C-19 is real. Stay home. Save lives. |
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