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  #1  
Old June 26th 19, 02:25 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “dramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's costs.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...uyton-16483414
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  #2  
Old June 26th 19, 05:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On 26/06/2019 14:25, MrCheerful wrote:

He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “dramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's
costs.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...uyton-16483414


QUOTE:
Frankie, aged just 13, was struck by a car while riding his bike on
Liverpool Road in Page Moss , on October 24, 2016.

He was taken to hospital with serious injuries after the crash but died
a short time later .
ENDQUOTE

Just to be clear on this, A57 Liverpool Road in Huyton is part of the
main road from Liverpool to Warrington (and thus to the rest of the
world east and south of the Mersey).

It is a dual carriageway with three lanes per carriageway at that
location. It is subject to a 40mph speed limit - not the place to be
trying to impress your mates by doing stunts on a bike.

But no-one deserves to lose a 13 yr old son and it is an obvious tragedy
of great proportion for the bereaved family.

QUOTE:
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) announced in September, 2017, that
no charges would be brought against the driver of the car that killed
Frankie.
ENDQUOTE

Unless the charge was one of those administrative ones brought in a few
years ago (causing death whilst driving without a licence, causing death
whilst uninsured), it's hard to see what would stick, given the quite
lengthy and detailed report. The only possibility would be something
about speed in excess of the limit, but I'm not sure that forensic
estimates made on the basis of dash-cam evidence are sufficiently
probative for that, and that proper focused real-time measurement of
speed would be necessary.

But I'm impressed by the way the way the report is presented online and
would like to think it was as good in print.
  #3  
Old June 26th 19, 11:29 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 2:25:04 PM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “dramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's costs.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...uyton-16483414


Following a recent legal precedent if the victims family sue the motorist the multi million pound wrongful death award will be reduced by a maximum of 50%.

Nugent will confirm this.
  #4  
Old June 26th 19, 11:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 5:30:17 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 26/06/2019 14:25, MrCheerful wrote:

He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “dramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's
costs.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...uyton-16483414


QUOTE:
Frankie, aged just 13, was struck by a car while riding his bike on
Liverpool Road in Page Moss , on October 24, 2016.

He was taken to hospital with serious injuries after the crash but died
a short time later .
ENDQUOTE

Just to be clear on this, A57 Liverpool Road in Huyton is part of the
main road from Liverpool to Warrington (and thus to the rest of the
world east and south of the Mersey).

It is a dual carriageway with three lanes per carriageway at that
location. It is subject to a 40mph speed limit - not the place to be
trying to impress your mates by doing stunts on a bike.

But no-one deserves to lose a 13 yr old son and it is an obvious tragedy
of great proportion for the bereaved family.

QUOTE:
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) announced in September, 2017, that
no charges would be brought against the driver of the car that killed
Frankie.
ENDQUOTE

Unless the charge was one of those administrative ones brought in a few
years ago (causing death whilst driving without a licence, causing death
whilst uninsured), it's hard to see what would stick, given the quite
lengthy and detailed report. The only possibility would be something
about speed in excess of the limit, but I'm not sure that forensic
estimates made on the basis of dash-cam evidence are sufficiently
probative for that, and that proper focused real-time measurement of
speed would be necessary.

But I'm impressed by the way the way the report is presented online and
would like to think it was as good in print.


So, in Nugentworld, no matter what happens it is the cyclist's fault.
  #5  
Old June 26th 19, 11:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 2:25:04 PM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “dramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's costs.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...uyton-16483414


This proves we need to separate primary road users from subsidised road users.
Banning cars from roads until a completely separate network of car paths can be built is the only answer.
Motorists will, of course, be required to get out and push their vehicles whenever it may inconvenience a pedestrian, equestrian or cyclist.


  #6  
Old June 27th 19, 01:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On 26/06/2019 23:29, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 2:25:04 PM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “dramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's costs.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...uyton-16483414


Following a recent legal precedent if the victims family sue the motorist the multi million pound wrongful death award will be reduced by a maximum of 50%.

Nugent will confirm this.


I can certainly confirm that I have rarely seen a more silly remark here
than that of yours.

A 10-yr-old (or perhaps more pertinently, an average 13-yr-old) could do
better.
  #7  
Old June 27th 19, 01:42 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On 26/06/2019 23:31, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 5:30:17 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 26/06/2019 14:25, MrCheerful wrote:

He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “dramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's
costs.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...uyton-16483414


QUOTE:
Frankie, aged just 13, was struck by a car while riding his bike on
Liverpool Road in Page Moss , on October 24, 2016.

He was taken to hospital with serious injuries after the crash but died
a short time later .
ENDQUOTE

Just to be clear on this, A57 Liverpool Road in Huyton is part of the
main road from Liverpool to Warrington (and thus to the rest of the
world east and south of the Mersey).

It is a dual carriageway with three lanes per carriageway at that
location. It is subject to a 40mph speed limit - not the place to be
trying to impress your mates by doing stunts on a bike.

But no-one deserves to lose a 13 yr old son and it is an obvious tragedy
of great proportion for the bereaved family.

QUOTE:
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) announced in September, 2017, that
no charges would be brought against the driver of the car that killed
Frankie.
ENDQUOTE

Unless the charge was one of those administrative ones brought in a few
years ago (causing death whilst driving without a licence, causing death
whilst uninsured), it's hard to see what would stick, given the quite
lengthy and detailed report. The only possibility would be something
about speed in excess of the limit, but I'm not sure that forensic
estimates made on the basis of dash-cam evidence are sufficiently
probative for that, and that proper focused real-time measurement of
speed would be necessary.

But I'm impressed by the way the way the report is presented online and
would like to think it was as good in print.


So, in Nugentworld, no matter what happens it is the cyclist's fault.


Have you READ the report of the Coroner's enquiry and conclusions?

No, of course you haven't.

  #8  
Old June 27th 19, 09:04 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Kerr-Mudd,John[_2_]
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:49:51 GMT, Simon Jester
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 2:25:04 PM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “d

ramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's
cos

ts.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...-frankie-murph
y-i

nquest-huyton-16483414

This proves we need to separate primary road users from subsidised
road users. Banning cars from roads until a completely separate
network of car paths can be built is the only answer. Motorists will,
of course, be required to get out and push their vehicles whenever it
may inconvenience a pedestrian, equestrian or cyclist.

You're not really helping The Cause by being silly.



--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
  #9  
Old June 30th 19, 06:34 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 9:04:45 AM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:49:51 GMT, Simon Jester
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 2:25:04 PM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “d

ramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's
cos

ts.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...-frankie-murph
y-i

nquest-huyton-16483414

This proves we need to separate primary road users from subsidised
road users. Banning cars from roads until a completely separate
network of car paths can be built is the only answer. Motorists will,
of course, be required to get out and push their vehicles whenever it
may inconvenience a pedestrian, equestrian or cyclist.

You're not really helping The Cause by being silly.


How silly of me to forget everything posted here is read by over 10 people and Pounder.

  #10  
Old June 30th 19, 08:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Murphy rode diagonally across the carriageway into oncoming traffic.”

On 30/06/2019 18:34, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 9:04:45 AM UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:49:51 GMT, Simon Jester
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 2:25:04 PM UTC+1, MrCheerful wrote:
He says while Frankie was a skilled rider, his ability to steer would
have been “greatly diminished” and the braking “d
ramatically reduced” by
the fact he was performing a wheelie.

I hope the family have fridge-freezer insurance to pay the motorist's
cos
ts.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...-frankie-murph
y-i
nquest-huyton-16483414

This proves we need to separate primary road users from subsidised
road users. Banning cars from roads until a completely separate
network of car paths can be built is the only answer. Motorists will,
of course, be required to get out and push their vehicles whenever it
may inconvenience a pedestrian, equestrian or cyclist.

You're not really helping The Cause by being silly.


How silly of me to forget everything posted here is read by over 10 people and Pounder.


You just carry on being as silly as you like.

It's not as though your repertoire is much wider than that, after all.
 




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