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On Jul 21, 8:34*am, "Ronsonic" wrote:
Shall we release some wolves into England and tell the locals it's okay, they belong there. Of course we should. It could be pretty entertaining. Quite how gruesomely entertaining, you can read in my short story "The Survivor". Don't get it from Amazon; you have to pay on Amazon. Get it from Smashwords free of charge http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/72627 Come to think of it, another free short, in "Two Shorts" http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/73667 has a hi-fi connection... Andre Jute Visit Jute on Bicycles at http://coolmainpress.com/BICYCLING.html |
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On Jul 21, 7:42*am, SMS wrote:
On 7/21/2011 12:17 AM, RobertH wrote: On Jul 20, 11:20 am, *wrote: meh. Both natural flora and fauna kill humans too: Yes but not often enough to make any real positve difference. In all seriousness, the mountains can be deadly in many unexpected ways. A few weeks ago a father and daughter, both experienced hikers, were killed when a blast of wind blew them off of a trail above timberline. The same weekend, on a different mountain in the vicinity, someone was crushed by a boulder they were hiding under during a storm. There are tragic accidents for both hikers and cyclists, as well as non-accidents caused by doing something stupid. Look what happened at Yosemite a couple of days ago to two hikers. Tragic, but it should not reflect on all hikers. If you're just looking at the impact of various activities upon habitat, all the studies and evidence have proven that there is basically no difference between cyclists and hikers, but that horses have a far greater negative impact. For disturbing wildlife, cyclists have the least impact of the three activities. It's immaterial as to a) when horses came to North America, or b) when mountain bikes were invented. This is not a debate on who was here first, it's a debate on who is creating the most negative impact on habitat and who is damaging trails the most. In that respect, our favorite troll has absolutely no scientific evidence to back his position.. Repeating those lies won't make them true. Anyone (with a brain and some honesty, which excludes you) can read the research and will see that I am absolutely right and you are dead wrong. |
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On Jul 21, 9:43*am, SMS wrote:
On Jul 19, 11:54*pm, RobertH wrote: On Jul 18, 9:00 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: BS. I wrote the ONLY scientific paper on the subject. Every allegedly "scientific" paper written by a mountain biker was fatally biased and dishonest. I read these and they didn't seem all that fatally biased or dishonest: IMPACTS OF EXPERIMENTALLY APPLIED MOUNTAIN BIKING AND HIKING ON VEGETATION AND SOIL 2001 article by Thurston and Reader, Environmental Management. Study showed potentially severe impacts from both activities, and similar recovery times. EROSIONAL IMPACT OF HIKERS, HORSES, MOTORCYCLES, AND OFF-ROAD BICYCLES ON MOUNTAIN TRAILS IN MONTANA Wilson and Seney, Mountain Research and Development, 1994. Yes, these are all peer-reviewed and published papers so you have at least some assurance that they are based on fact. It speaks volumes that there are zero papers that have ever concluded that mountain bikes cause any more damage to trails or wildlife habitat than hikers. After all this time you can be sure that if there were any evidence that mountain bikes caused more damage than hikers that a reputable and qualified person would have written a peer- reviewed and published paper on the subject, but no one has. 1. You are wrong. See http://mjvande.nfshost.com/scb7.htm. 2. Absence of research doesn't imply absence of impact. DUH! |
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
Repeating those lies won't make them true. Anyone (with a brain and some honesty, which excludes you) can read the research and will see that I am absolutely right and you are dead wrong. For the above statement to be true, [anyone] must be equal to [Mike Vandeman]. That's some kind of inflexible technical definition of insanity, I think. For your own benefit, I urge you to 1) seek help and treatment for your illness, and 2) stop pestering sane people. Chalo |
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On 7/22/2011 1:33 AM, Chalo wrote:
snip 2) stop pestering sane people. Most people here have had him filtered out for years. Usenet is an emotional outlet for him. It's better that our favorite troll spend his time posting this nonsense than committing more crimes against trail users. He may be banned from the trails where the previous crimes occurred, but there are lots of other trails around where he could re-offend. Another positive is that by posting so much fact-free nonsense he is actually helping to promote mountain biking, which not only aids in creating a bigger constituency for habitat protection, but helps the economy in terms of equipment sales. Perhaps that's been his goal all along, to publicize the positive aspects of mountain biking. This has been a good thread since it included many links to definitive research that proves that mountain biking is no more destructive on habitat than hiking. It's always good to discredit trolls with irrefutable facts. A lot of people that have done no research instinctively consider mountain biking to be higher impact to habitat than hiking or horseback riding, when in fact all the research ever performed shows the opposite to be the case. |
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On Jul 22, 1:33*am, Chalo wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote: Repeating those lies won't make them true. Anyone (with a brain and some honesty, which excludes you) can read the research and will see that I am absolutely right and you are dead wrong. For the above statement to be true, [anyone] must be equal to [Mike Vandeman]. *That's some kind of inflexible technical definition of insanity, I think. For your own benefit, I urge you to 1) seek help and treatment for your illness, and Your libel is duly noted. Attacking others is how mountain bikers TRY (and fail) to get the attention off their selfish, destrictive, disgusting sport. 2) stop pestering sane people. Liars like you and Tom Sherman are the REAL sickos. All you are doing is reinforcing mountain bikers' rotten (and accurate) image. Chalo |
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On Jul 22, 8:37*am, SMS wrote:
On 7/22/2011 1:33 AM, Chalo wrote: snip 2) stop pestering sane people. Most people here have had him filtered out for years. Usenet is an emotional outlet for him. It's better that our favorite troll spend his time posting this nonsense than committing more crimes against trail users. He may be banned from the trails where the previous crimes occurred, but there are lots of other trails around where he could re-offend. Another positive is that by posting so much fact-free nonsense he is actually helping to promote mountain biking, which not only aids in creating a bigger constituency for habitat protection, but helps the economy in terms of equipment sales. Perhaps that's been his goal all along, to publicize the positive aspects of mountain biking. This has been a good thread since it included many links to definitive research that proves that mountain biking is no more destructive on habitat than hiking. It's always good to discredit trolls with irrefutable facts. A lot of people that have done no research instinctively consider mountain biking to be higher impact to habitat than hiking or horseback riding, when in fact all the research ever performed shows the opposite to be the case. At the dozens of SCIENTIFIC conferences where I have presented my papers on mountain biking, only ONE mountain biker has ever tried to give a pro-mountain biking talk. He left with his tail between his legs, after I pointed out that the "research" he was talking about is BS. There isn't one shred of real science that supports mountain biking. OF COURSE. The only people who believe otherwise are mountain bikers like you, who are AMAZINGLY ignorant and dishonest. |
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On 7/23/2011 2:01 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
At the dozens of SCIENTIFIC conferences where I have presented my papers on mountain biking, only ONE mountain biker has ever tried to give a pro-mountain biking talk. He left with his tail between his legs, after I pointed out that the "research" he was talking about is BS. There isn't one shred of real science that supports mountain biking. OF COURSE. The only people who believe otherwise are mountain bikers like you, who are AMAZINGLY ignorant and dishonest. Does your probation status allow you to leave the State of California to attend conferences? Would you use fossil-fuel powered transportation to get to the conference, if you were allowed to travel? Would you take your HANDSAW with you, in case you met up with someone riding a mountain bike? -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Jul 24, 7:37*am, Phil W Lee wrote:
"T°m Sherm@n" " considered Sun, 24 Jul 2011 05:41:48 -0500 the perfect time to write: On 7/23/2011 2:01 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote: At the dozens of SCIENTIFIC conferences where I have presented my papers on mountain biking, only ONE mountain biker has ever tried to give a pro-mountain biking talk. He left with his tail between his legs, after I pointed out that the "research" he was talking about is BS. There isn't one shred of real science that supports mountain biking. OF COURSE. The only people who believe otherwise are mountain bikers like you, who are AMAZINGLY ignorant and dishonest. Does your probation status allow you to leave the State of California to attend conferences? Would you use fossil-fuel powered transportation to get to the conference, if you were allowed to travel? Would you take your HANDSAW with you, in case you met up with someone riding a mountain bike? I can't imagine any airline allowing someone to carry a handsaw, particularly someone with a criminal conviction for using it on people. Who might that be? Idiot. |
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