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Old January 9th 13, 05:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).

I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...-cyclist/18760


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Old January 9th 13, 05:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 09/01/2013 16:14, Mrcheerful wrote:
A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).

I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...-cyclist/18760



You obviously thought wrong.

There is a very well thought comment on that site which states:

Terrible for both people involved. But before anyone jumps to
conclusions and starts ranting, please note there is no statement either
way as to who was in the wrong here. The cyclist might have failed to
stop, or the pedestrian might have walked out in front of him without
looking / giving him time to stop.

Many cyclists jump red lights and many pedestrians walk into the road
into cyclists without looking.

Either way, cyclists need to take the upper hand and take care. You
cant really blame the pedestrian.

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Old January 9th 13, 06:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
thirty-six
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On Jan 9, 4:14*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).

I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...n-suffers-seri...


was she wearing a helmet?
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Old January 9th 13, 06:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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On 09/01/2013 16:46, Simon enables wrote:
On 09/01/2013 16:14, Mrcheerful wrote:
A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).

I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...-cyclist/18760




You obviously thought wrong.

There is a very well thought comment on that site which states:

Terrible for both people involved. But before anyone jumps to
conclusions and starts ranting, please note there is no statement either
way as to who was in the wrong here. The cyclist might have failed to
stop, or the pedestrian might have walked out in front of him without
looking / giving him time to stop.

Many cyclists jump red lights and many pedestrians walk into the road
into cyclists without looking.


All irrelevant. A cyclist approaching a pelican crossing should use
anticipation & observation and travel at a suitable speed that would
enable him to stop.


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Old January 9th 13, 07:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 09/01/2013 16:46, Simon Weissel wrote:

On 09/01/2013 16:14, Mrcheerful wrote:


A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).


I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?


http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...-cyclist/18760


You obviously thought wrong.


If he thought wrong, that will be because he was told wrong - here.

There is a very well thought comment on that site which states:

Terrible for both people involved. But before anyone jumps to
conclusions and starts ranting, please note there is no statement either
way as to who was in the wrong here. The cyclist might have failed to
stop, or the pedestrian might have walked out in front of him without
looking / giving him time to stop.


If cyclists cannot (or are unlikely to) cause serious injury or damage
(and that is the usual claim, though there will no doubt now be some
backpedalling on it), then it doesn't actually matter whose fault the
collision was.

Many cyclists jump red lights and many pedestrians walk into the road
into cyclists without looking.
Either way, cyclists need to take the upper hand and take care. You
cant really blame the pedestrian.


You can if she didn't watch where she was going, but as you say, we have
nothing whatever (at this stage) to even suggest that.
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Old January 9th 13, 09:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Weissel
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On 09/01/2013 18:42, JNugent wrote:
On 09/01/2013 16:46, Simon Weissel wrote:

On 09/01/2013 16:14, Mrcheerful wrote:


A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).


I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?


http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...-cyclist/18760


You obviously thought wrong.


If he thought wrong, that will be because he was told wrong - here.


Where? on the Interweb?

Like Abraham Lincoln said, "You should not believe everything you read
online". Or it might have been George Washington, I can't remember.

There is a very well thought comment on that site which states:

Terrible for both people involved. But before anyone jumps to
conclusions and starts ranting, please note there is no statement either
way as to who was in the wrong here. The cyclist might have failed to
stop, or the pedestrian might have walked out in front of him without
looking / giving him time to stop.


If cyclists cannot (or are unlikely to) cause serious injury or damage
(and that is the usual claim, though there will no doubt now be some
backpedalling on it), then it doesn't actually matter whose fault the
collision was.

Many cyclists jump red lights and many pedestrians walk into the road
into cyclists without looking.
Either way, cyclists need to take the upper hand and take care. You
cant really blame the pedestrian.


You can if she didn't watch where she was going, but as you say, we have
nothing whatever (at this stage) to even suggest that.


Disagree. All road users should anticipate and be prepared for the
actions of pedestrians. Running 'em over, is almost always the fault of
the one doing the running over.

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Old January 9th 13, 09:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Weissel
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On 09/01/2013 17:52, thirty-six wrote:
On Jan 9, 4:14 pm, wrote:
A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).

I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...n-suffers-seri...


was she wearing a helmet?


No, she was selfishly walking across the road with no protection whatsoever.

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Old January 9th 13, 09:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 09/01/2013 20:47, Simon Weissel wrote:

On 09/01/2013 18:42, JNugent wrote:
On 09/01/2013 16:46, Simon Weissel wrote:
On 09/01/2013 16:14, Mrcheerful wrote:


A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).


I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?
http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...-cyclist/18760


You obviously thought wrong.


If he thought wrong, that will be because he was told wrong - here.


Where? on the Interweb?


Not on the world wide web, on the internet. Strictly: on usent, in
uk.rec.cycling.

Claims that cyclists cannot hurt pedestrians abound here.

Like Abraham Lincoln said, "You should not believe everything you read
online".


Good advice.

I, of course, don't believe everything I see online, especially not when
it is an assertion that cyclists cannot injure, or are unlikely to
injure, pedestrians.

Many cyclists jump red lights and many pedestrians walk into the road
into cyclists without looking.
Either way, cyclists need to take the upper hand and take care. You
cant really blame the pedestrian.


You can if she didn't watch where she was going, but as you say, we have
nothing whatever (at this stage) to even suggest that.


Disagree. All road users should anticipate and be prepared for the
actions of pedestrians. Running 'em over, is almost always the fault of
the one doing the running over.


If everyone follows the rules of the road, including kerb drill, and
including stopping at pedestrian crossings, such collisions are less likely.
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Old January 9th 13, 10:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Weissel
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On 09/01/2013 20:54, JNugent wrote:
On 09/01/2013 20:47, Simon Weissel wrote:

On 09/01/2013 18:42, JNugent wrote:
On 09/01/2013 16:46, Simon Weissel wrote:
On 09/01/2013 16:14, Mrcheerful wrote:


A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).


I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?
http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...-cyclist/18760


You obviously thought wrong.


If he thought wrong, that will be because he was told wrong - here.


Where? on the Interweb?


Not on the world wide web, on the internet. Strictly: on usent, in
uk.rec.cycling.

Claims that cyclists cannot hurt pedestrians abound here.


P L E A S E . . . The claim that cyclists CANNOT hurt pedestrians is
absurd. The only time I have EVER seen this assertion is from Mr
Cheerful and anything said by him has to be taken with a lorra lorra salt.

Like Abraham Lincoln said, "You should not believe everything you read
online".


Good advice.

I, of course, don't believe everything I see online, especially not when
it is an assertion that cyclists cannot injure, or are unlikely to
injure, pedestrians.


Injury can be fatal. The regularity of it and the liklihood of it
happening is a different matter.

Many cyclists jump red lights and many pedestrians walk into the road
into cyclists without looking.
Either way, cyclists need to take the upper hand and take care. You
cant really blame the pedestrian.

You can if she didn't watch where she was going, but as you say, we have
nothing whatever (at this stage) to even suggest that.


Disagree. All road users should anticipate and be prepared for the
actions of pedestrians. Running 'em over, is almost always the fault of
the one doing the running over.


If everyone follows the rules of the road, including kerb drill, and
including stopping at pedestrian crossings, such collisions are less
likely.


Agreed, but those in control of vehicles need to be responsible for
their actions. Obeying the law and sticking to the rules is not nearly
enough. They need to take care, and take responsibility.

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Old January 9th 13, 11:19 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Lieutenant Scott
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:54:30 -0000, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

On 09/01/2013 16:46, Simon enables wrote:
On 09/01/2013 16:14, Mrcheerful wrote:
A 47-year-old woman is being treated for a serious head injury after a
cyclist collided with her on a pelican crossing in Brighton yesterday
morning (Tuesday 8 January).

I thought cyclists could not cause significant injury to pedestrians?

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2...-cyclist/18760




You obviously thought wrong.

There is a very well thought comment on that site which states:

“Terrible for both people involved. But before anyone jumps to
conclusions and starts ranting, please note there is no statement either
way as to who was ‘in the wrong’ here. The cyclist might have failed to
stop, or the pedestrian might have walked out in front of him without
looking / giving him time to stop.”

Many cyclists jump red lights and many pedestrians walk into the road
into cyclists without looking.


All irrelevant. A cyclist approaching a pelican crossing should use
anticipation & observation and travel at a suitable speed that would
enable him to stop.


Have you never seen those crazy pedestrians that just walk across zebras without looking?

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