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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:28:21 +0100
Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee wrote: wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:41:45 +0100 Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee wrote: wrote: Lets be honest, there are idiots driving all forms of transport whether it be bikes, motorbikes, cars, buses or trucks and they're not going to change. The difference with cycling however is that ... they don't kill +- 1700 people every single year. Big deal. Nothing more needs to be added. Obviously not by you since you have no counter argument. More people die falling from a height than by vehicles. Perhaps we should ban ladders. |
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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
On 18/09/18 10:14, Bod wrote:
On 18/09/2018 09:43, TMS320 wrote: On 18/09/18 08:46, Bod wrote: cyclist deaths in particular remain stubbornly high, even as average speeds, which affect road deaths, continue to decline. If cars are much safer than 25 years ago, why are cyclist deaths increasing, from 25 the previous year to 45 this past year? Cars maybe safer for the occupants in a high speed crash but do they reduce the number of low speed crashes? Very likely not because cars are wider so reduce margins for error and all the stuff to protect the occupants has got in the way of the driver's view. The width has also taken away space for cyclists. I can't argue with that, but many drivers are careless when passing cyclists. I never have a problem with them when I'm in the car. It is difficult to say "never". Let's imagine you are caught out in 1 in million journeys by your modern safety kit, which is something you can't personally determine, but there are several million drivers milling around the roads. Many drivers unlike you that are tolerant of spending every day in queues behind other drivers but then complain that slowing down behind a cyclist for a few seconds has ruined their whole year. Also, when cycling, I've had many drivers who just pull out from sideroads, seemingly oblivious to cyclists. If you wear hi-viz, best not to. They may see you from further away but this just makes them hesitate at the moment it is safe to pull out. They then pull out anyway when you're closer and you have to take more hurried avoidance. |
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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
On 18/09/2018 13:36, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 10:14, Bod wrote: On 18/09/2018 09:43, TMS320 wrote: On 18/09/18 08:46, Bod wrote: cyclist deaths in particular remain stubbornly high, even as average speeds, which affect road deaths, continue to decline. If cars are much safer than 25 years ago, why are cyclist deaths increasing, from 25 the previous year to 45 this past year? Cars maybe safer for the occupants in a high speed crash but do they reduce the number of low speed crashes? Very likely not because cars are wider so reduce margins for error and all the stuff to protect the occupants has got in the way of the driver's view. The width has also taken away space for cyclists. I can't argue with that, but many drivers are careless when passing cyclists. I never have a problem with them when I'm in the car. It is difficult to say "never". Let's imagine you are caught out in 1 in million journeys by your modern safety kit, which is something you can't personally determine, but there are several million drivers milling around the roads. Many drivers unlike you that are tolerant of spending every day in queues behind other drivers but then complain that slowing down behind a cyclist for a few seconds has ruined their whole year. Also, when cycling, I've had many drivers who just pull out from sideroads, seemingly oblivious to cyclists. If you wear hi-viz, best not to. They may see you from further away but this just makes them hesitate at the moment it is safe to pull out. They then pull out anyway when you're closer and you have to take more hurried avoidance. .. The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar. -- Bod |
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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
On 18/09/18 14:00, Bod wrote:
The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar. Without knowing how you ride or where you ride it is difficult to offer advice but there might still be something you could do to help make yourself look bigger. |
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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
On 18/09/2018 16:42, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 14:00, Bod wrote: The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar. Without knowing how you ride or where you ride it is difficult to offer advice but there might still be something you could do to help make yourself look bigger. I don't need to, I've learnt to always slow down a bit and can normally sense if they haven't seen me. Better to be late, than Dead On Arrival :-) -- Bod |
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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
On 18/09/2018 10:14, Bod wrote:
On 18/09/2018 09:43, TMS320 wrote: On 18/09/18 08:46, Bod wrote: cyclist deaths in particular remain stubbornly high, even as average speeds, which affect road deaths, continue to decline. If cars are much safer than 25 years ago, why are cyclist deaths increasing, from 25 the previous year to 45 this past year? Cars maybe safer for the occupants in a high speed crash but do they reduce the number of low speed crashes? Very likely not because cars are wider so reduce margins for error and all the stuff to protect the occupants has got in the way of the driver's view. The width has also taken away space for cyclists. I can't argue with that, but many drivers are careless when passing cyclists. I never have a problem with them when I'm in the car. Also, when cycling, I've had many drivers who just pull out from sideroads, seemingly oblivious to cyclists. The answer is obvious: be more visible and less easy to be sub-consciously screened out. Wear shocking pink hi-viz, which should be adopted world-wide as the standard (and compulsory) outer-wear for cyclists. |
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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
On 18/09/2018 16:42, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/09/18 14:00, Bod wrote: The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar. Without knowing how you ride or where you ride it is difficult to offer advice but there might still be something you could do to help make yourself look bigger. Yes - pink hi-viz. |
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Australian drivers carve up cyclists (short video)
On 19/09/18 12:04, JNugent wrote:
On 18/09/2018 16:42, TMS320 wrote: On 18/09/18 14:00, Bod wrote: The problem seems to be with some car drivers that are waiting to pull out from side roads, is they are only looking for vehicles. Anything smaller doesn't seem to be on their radar. Without knowing how you ride or where you ride it is difficult to offer advice but there might still be something you could do to help make yourself look bigger. Yes - pink hi-viz. Wrong. And not for aesthetic reasons. |
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