Any advice on Cramerotti frames?

I have about 1200.00 to spend and have been looking at both used and
new frames. BRBR

www.torelli.com
www.gunnarbikes.com
www.waterfordbikes.com
www.nobilettecysles.com
www.calfeedesign.com

All have offerings in your price 'range'...

Peter Chisholm
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Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
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From: "Per Elmsäter"

On my 23 mm tires I usually run between 100 - 130 psi depending on the road.
110 psi is pretty much standard issue on the roads around where I live.

Do you notice a difference between 110-130 on the same bike/tires? --TP

Tom Paterson wrote:
From: "Per Elmsäter"

On my 23 mm tires I usually run between 100 - 130 psi depending on
the road. 110 psi is pretty much standard issue on the roads around
where I live.

Do you notice a difference between 110-130 on the same bike/tires?
--TP

Do you?
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Perre

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Alex Rodriguez wrote in message ...
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OK, here is the story. I am fairly new to road biking but have fallen
in love with the sport after making the transition from mtb. I
currently own an dura ace/ultrega mix Cannondale 2.8 and am looking to
upgrade the frame to somethng a bit more compliant.

A frame upgrade is not going to make the ride more compliant. Try fatter
tires are a lower pressure.
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Correct. A downgrade, however, will. Borrow someone's old bridgestone R-B
and find out.

-dkl

Per, which one did you buy?

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Per Elms ter wrote:
Alex Rodriguez wrote:
In article ,
says...

OK, here is the story. I am fairly new to road biking but have
fallen in love with the sport after making the transition from
mtb.
I currently own an dura ace/ultrega mix Cannondale 2.8 and am
looking to upgrade the frame to somethng a bit more compliant.

A frame upgrade is not going to make the ride more compliant. Try
fatter tires are a lower pressure.

I absolutely disagree on that. I did a test ride on a Trek 2300 ( Alu
) and
a Trek 5200 ( Carbon). Both have the identical geometry according to
Trek
and they were the same size frames. The difference in feel, comfort
and
handling was significant.

Question, were the tires, and more importantly, tire pressures the
same?

I have three steel roadbikes, and they have three different feels. I
have
run relatively few (3 or 4) different tires, always 23 or 25, always
at 115
or 120 except for the occaisional day at 110. I think that the
difference
in the way that the bikes themselves feel is more significant than the
differences in feel due to the tires, as long as they are 23 or 25
and
115-120psi.

I think there's a lot of oversimplification going on here. In the
world of
dirtbike suspensions, they talk of low- and high-speed damping. Low
speed
hits are jump landings. High speed hits are logs, ledges, rocks, etc.
I
suspect that tire and PSI choice might affect the ride after
high-speed hits
like cracks in pavement much more than than they affect the ride after
low
speed forces like cornering.

I have read the argument here that all frames are very stiff
vertically,
and there is essentially no vertical flex to be gained by choice of
frame material, and I accept it. The difference, I suspect, is
largely in the fork.

I also suspect that whatever people mean by "compliant" is more
affected by
what a material does after it takes a hit, rather than any difference
in
vertical stiffness.

dkl

John Black wrote:
Per, which one did you buy?

The point I was trying to make was that I felt a significant difference. If
you're curious as to which one you'd like best yourself go and try them out


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Perre

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From: "Per Elmsäter"

(I asked):
Do you notice a difference between 110-130 on the same bike/tires?

(PE responded):
Do you?

I've never used 130lbs. pressure on the road, except on a wheel borrowed in a
race. The ride seems to get harsher around 120lbs, so if the 23's weren't
enough tire to prevent "pinch" flats, I'd go to a bigger tire, as I did when
riding dirt roads regularly in the past. --TP

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
says...
currently own an dura ace/ultrega mix Cannondale 2.8 and am looking to
upgrade the frame to somethng a bit more compliant.
A frame upgrade is not going to make the ride more compliant.

Chainstay length?
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