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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
gwhite writes:
The question isn't who is admired, or how moral one is regarding individual wealth (as the judgement goes). The question is about designing a political system (laws and rights) with the least amount of defects and is best in terms of tradeoffs. Only a fool claims perfection. The question is regarding the total balance. On the balance, it is better to have a few filthy rich folks -- moral or not -- than to head down the road to serfdom: socialism. Is it better to be the serf of Bill gates than the serf of a socialist government? Unfreedom is unfreedom, no matter who is holding the rains. Unfortunately, binary thinkers like yourself seem incapable of seeing anything between libertarianism and socialism. Grow up and get a politcal philosophy that works. |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Tim McNamara writes:
gwhite writes: The question isn't who is admired, or how moral one is regarding individual wealth (as the judgement goes). The question is about designing a political system (laws and rights) with the least amount of defects and is best in terms of tradeoffs. Only a fool claims perfection. The question is regarding the total balance. On the balance, it is better to have a few filthy rich folks -- moral or not -- than to head down the road to serfdom: socialism. Is it better to be the serf of Bill gates than the serf of a socialist government? Unfreedom is unfreedom, no matter who is holding the rains. Unfortunately, binary thinkers like yourself seem incapable of seeing anything between libertarianism and socialism. Grow up and get a politcal philosophy that works. I apologize for my poor proofreading of this before I posted it. Sheesh, how embarrassing. |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Keith Willoughby wrote:
Mark Hickey wrote: Keith Willoughby wrote: He didn't write a book - Ron Suskind did. [...] Again, you choose to believe a guy who is obviously upset at being fired by GWB, and who made a lot of money writing a sensational book. If you're going to argue, at least get your facts right. It's a giant conspiracy. Why, I KNOW at least 70% of the people in the US THINK he wrote that book. He must have said he did. I can't find the quote, but it's because it was all a carefully crafted deception. It's OK to admit you were wrong sometimes, you know. You mean, like admit maybe O'Neill never actually said he wrote the book, even though somehow 70% (or more) of the US population somehow believe he did? You go first.... LOL. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Mark Hickey wrote:
Keith Willoughby wrote: Mark Hickey wrote: Keith Willoughby wrote: He didn't write a book - Ron Suskind did. [...] Again, you choose to believe a guy who is obviously upset at being fired by GWB, and who made a lot of money writing a sensational book. If you're going to argue, at least get your facts right. It's a giant conspiracy. Why, I KNOW at least 70% of the people in the US THINK he wrote that book. He must have said he did. I can't find the quote, but it's because it was all a carefully crafted deception. It's OK to admit you were wrong sometimes, you know. You mean, like admit maybe O'Neill never actually said he wrote the book, even though somehow 70% (or more) of the US population somehow believe he did? I take it you pulled this 70% from your arse. Your biggest straw man yet, I'd say, and that's some pretty hot competition you've got going. You go first.... And do what? Waste my time arguing made up numbers? OK. 84.7% of people on this newsgroup think you just sunk to a new low. -- Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/ Train whistle blowing, makes a sleepy noise |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
(Jonesy) wrote:
Mark Hickey wrote ... (Jonesy) wrote: You seem to have a habit of assuming people said things that never left their lips or keyboards... Strawman. Would it be rude of me to point out that there seems to be a kind of consistent problem with your reading comprehension. Strawman. It's a nice try to avoid the question, but I see through it. Heh heh heh. Look up "stawman" and get back to me. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Frank Krygowski wrote:
Mark Hickey wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Oh, and in that confined space, how many thousands were killed? Seven. Seven thousand were killed?? I had no idea. I thought it was several orders of magnitude lower. C'mon... you know exactly what I meant. Are you trying to say that sarin is NOT dangerous? Well, prior to this, I thought that it was dangerous to those immediately next to it, but difficult to deploy effectively over a wide area. I thought it was analogous to the gasoline in a fuel-air (or aerosol) bomb. Those are the bombs in which a liquid like gasoline is first dispersed, but not ignited, into a large cloud of droplets. A second explosion detonates the cloud. Bad analogy. Yes, it's difficult to get the fuel/air mixture just right. But in the case of sarin, all you have to do is get a small drop on someone's skin and they're probably going to die. One drop of gasoline won't kill anyone. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
Frank Krygowski wrote:
David Kerber wrote: Oh, come on! You are intentionally mis-reading his post. He meant 7 people, not 7 thousand people, and you know it. :-) It's good to clear that up. After all, I directly asked "How many thousands?" and he directly answered "Seven." But now there's a problem. Mark was using that incident to "prove" that primitively-deliverd sarin is a weapon of mass destruction. A small handgun can kill seven people. So can a club. Is there anything that is _not_ a "weapon of mass destruction," by this standard? So Frank - just to make sure I understand. You're saying sarin in the hands of terrorists is NOT a danger, right? Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
(JP) wrote:
Mark Hickey wrote in message . .. (Jonesy) wrote: You will notice Mark even defends the spewings of Rush Limbaugh, *even after clearly admitting* that he doesn't listen to Rush often. How on earth can you defend something you have not heard yourself? Easy - Rush is conservative, so what he says must be True(tm) and Right(tm). After all, conservatives are never wrong, on anything, ever. What I said is that he can be entertaining (and he can...) and that (contrary to liberal opinion), having Rush state a fact doesn't change the veracity of that fact. Unfortunately, Rush often presents lies as facts, so the problem is how to tell the difference, and the True Believers (affectionately known as "Dittoheads") don't even bother to try. For instance, he was one of the main sources of the lie that Ken Lay had stayed in the Lincoln Bedroom during the Clinton administration. I personally saw that lie stated as fact on Limbaugh's website. I tripped over the history of that incident a while ago. I don't recall the source of the confusion (as I recall, Ken Lay DID stay at the White House, but not in the Lincoln bedroom). It was a great "story" and made the rounds in pretty short order. Still, if we discount any sources of "news" (op-ed or otherwise) that has an occasional gaff, we're going to have to be rely on our own eyes (and even they'll let us down occasionally). FWIW... I look at Rush as mainly entertainment. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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Why they hate us, was ( funny things to do on a bike)
"G.T." wrote:
You are off your rocker. You believe they somehow escape property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes,... etcetera? Escape property taxes? No. Sales taxes? Of course not. Income taxes? Absolutely. Errrr, then why do the upper 5% pay 53.3% of the total income tax (on 32% of the income)? Doesn't sound like they really "escaped" to me. Their percentage of the total tax burden has been steadily climbing since it was in the mid-30 percentages back in the early 1980s. (the above based on 2001 tax data - there is a wealth of statistical information about actual income vs. tax trends there that surpise most people who read it...) http://www.taxfoundation.org/prtopincometable.html Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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