OT Flame War

Tom Sherman wrote in message ...
But the tires on these bicycles may still be inflated.
http://sheldonbrown.org/bicycle.html,
http://sheldonbrown.org/images/Rusty_Schwinn.JPEG.

Probably. AFAIK, it's exposure to air that causes tires to
deteriorate. Immersing tires in water ought to preserve them. Do we
want to ask Jobst?

Jeff

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othanks (James S. Prine) wrote in message ...
Will you vote for a third party candidate then? There are some on both
sides of the political fence who put both Bush II and Kerry to shame for
honesty, character and moral conviction.

In all sincerity, I'd like to examine their credentials and their platforms;
I'd vote for a truly admirable candidate in an instant.

Perhaps we need a "None of the Above" choice on the machines.

Will you support instant runoff voting so third party candidates can be
more than spoilers, thereby restoring real representative democracy to
the United States of America?

I don't think that will be possible until we get the 'bugs' worked out all
across the U.S.; there are already credible reports of extreme irregularities
in those areas that have already started 'early' voting. But it shows some
merit, yes.


James S. Prine

"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

Peter Clinch wrote:

...
You've now crossed over into making up things I didn't say and
gratuitous insults, so time to bow out here.

This is now standard practice for the US political "right".

--
Tom Sherman

Jeff Wills wrote:

Tom Sherman wrote in message ...

But the tires on these bicycles may still be inflated.
http://sheldonbrown.org/bicycle.html,
http://sheldonbrown.org/images/Rusty_Schwinn.JPEG.


Probably. AFAIK, it's exposure to air that causes tires to
deteriorate. Immersing tires in water ought to preserve them. Do we
want to ask Jobst?

The answer is that tubes lose air pressure gradually since the rubber is
slightly permeable to gas. Eventually the pressure in the tube equalizes
with the ambient atmospheric pressure (zero gauge pressure).

The ambient pressure is much higher underwater, so the tube will retain
a higher air pressure. Therefore, the tube will have a gauge pressure of
zero underwater, but greater than zero when the old bicycle is dredged
up. This is why the tire was still inflated.

--
Tom Sherman

Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

"Mark Leuck" wrote in message
news:lZhkd.15193$V41.10732@attbi_s52...
[...]

Various reasons, mostly stupid things I did over a 5 year period, funny
thing tho is you see many of the others in the same situation and almost
all
were there because of the following reasons

1. That was the life they chose (yes Tom those people do exist)
2. Alcoholism
3. Drug abuse

(my reasons were not any of those)

Now you can "think" all you want that the homeless are nothing but old
men,
women and children forced out by an oppressive government or cruel
business
hell-bent on starving them out of existance but I assure you that isn't
the
case, if you want proof go to any soup kitchen (nice one in N. Vegas) and
talk to the people, ever been to one?

They can easily get out of that situation yet they don't and won't. I
don't
know where you get your information but it is clearly wrong about many
things based on my own experience and government statistics, my guess is
you
want to believe it regardless if it is factual or not and why this is I
don't know. ...


Mr. Sherman thinks like he does because he has been brainwashed by liberal
and socialist ideology. In short, he is unreconstructed even though those
ideologies have been discredited by history. He will never get anything
right about society until he gives up his liberal and socialist ideologies.
He looks at the world through tinted glasses and is not able to see things
as they really are. That is always the effect of an ideology....

I started out with fairly mainstream US ideology. Living in the real
world, and seeing how certain classes of people behave (in particular
employers and landlords) has led to my current beliefs.

Sorry to disappoint you.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger

Mark Leuck wrote:

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...

Mark Leuck wrote:

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...



Flame me if you will but the stats do not support your opinion. You can
argue HOW it is being administered but not that it isn't available, now

if


you don't mind I must throw up for agreeing with Mr Ed

So when was the last time you were homeless, Mr. Leuck?


A little over 15 years ago...

Under what circumstances (since the information was volunteered)?

--
Tom Sherman


Various reasons, mostly stupid things I did over a 5 year period, funny
thing tho is you see many of the others in the same situation and almost all
were there because of the following reasons

1. That was the life they chose (yes Tom those people do exist)
2. Alcoholism
3. Drug abuse...

How about all the mentally ill people Reagan dumped out on the streets?
Are they really there by choice?

Do the drug addicts (of which the alcoholics are merely a subcategory)
really want to be homeless, or are they involuntarily homeless?

What about the working people whom lose their jobs and can not find
work? (Ever live in a county with 40% unemployment?)

Mr. Leuck does not provide enough information about his personal
experiences to judge whether or not they have any bearing on the common
experiences of homelessness in the US.

--
Tom Sherman

Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

...Please, Mr. Tom, tell me
where I can go in this country to see some people starving in the streets....

You can find some homeless people on the south side of Chicago. Of
course, some gangbanger will "cap your ass" for being old, white, and
Republican.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...

Do the drug addicts (of which the alcoholics are merely a subcategory)
really want to be homeless, or are they involuntarily homeless?

They may not want to be but they aren't doing much to change the situation

What about the working people whom lose their jobs and can not find
work? (Ever live in a county with 40% unemployment?)

They should move which is what I did, even if they didn't plenty of programs
exist by state, federal, local and private organizations, There is no excuse
for being homeless

Closest I can recall would be about 20% unemployment in Lafayette Indiana in
the late 70's

Mr. Leuck does not provide enough information about his personal
experiences to judge whether or not they have any bearing on the common
experiences of homelessness in the US.

You do not have to address me as a 3rd party when you reply to my message
and I do not claim to know everything about the homeless, I can only speak
of my personal experience and voice opinions

Have you ever been homeless?
How many homeless people have you directly spoke to about their situation?
Have you ever tried giving a "will work for food" guy on the side of the
road a job?
How many soup kitchens have you been to?
How many shelters have you been to?

I went to one in downtown Dallas last month, I don't see any real changes
these days although the food appears to be better, same type of people...

This is now standard practice for the US political "right".

LOL...yes, calling everyone residing in a "red state" an idiot is definitely
right-wing material.




James S. Prine
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/b...=0-595-29946-6
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:37:30 GMT "Mark Leuck"
used 38 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

I went to one in downtown Dallas last month, I don't see any real changes
these days although the food appears to be better, same type of people...


Are you an advocate/ volunteer working with these guys Mark?


--
-Graham

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