OT Flame War

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
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Mr. Sherman thinks like he does because he has been brainwashed by
liberal and socialist ideology. In short, he is unreconstructed even
though those ideologies have been discredited by history. He will never
get anything right about society until he gives up his liberal and
socialist ideologies. He looks at the world through tinted glasses and is
not able to see things as they really are. That is always the effect of
an ideology....

I started out with fairly mainstream US ideology. Living in the real
world, and seeing how certain classes of people behave (in particular
employers and landlords) has led to my current beliefs.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Maybe so, but after your personal experience, your resorted to liberal and
socialist ideologies for an all encompassing explanation. These ideologies
go far beyond the American experience and derive mostly from Old Europe. It
is frankly un-American to think like how you do about social problems. There
are opportunities available to Americans of all classes that Europeans can
only dream about.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

...There are opportunities available to Americans of all classes that Europeans can
only dream about.

That was true up until three to four decades ago. Now the opportunities
for those born into the lower classes in Western Europe have exceeded
those for people in the US born into the lower classes. This will become
even truer with the Republican agenda of concentrating wealth in the
hands of the already rich.

Time to get up to date, Mr. Ed Dolan.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger

G. Morgan wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:37:30 GMT "Mark Leuck"
used 38 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
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I went to one in downtown Dallas last month, I don't see any real changes
these days although the food appears to be better, same type of people...



Are you an advocate/ volunteer working with these guys Mark?

Maybe he is trying to sell the homeless home security systems.

--
Tom Sherman

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

...Please, Mr. Tom, tell me
where I can go in this country to see some people starving in the
streets....

You can find some homeless people on the south side of Chicago. Of course,
some gangbanger will "cap your ass" for being old, white, and Republican.

No doubt, but I hate them as much as they hate me. And don't think I am not
capable of "capping their ass" either. What I have mostly against middle
aged white liberals like you is that you do not know how to hate the proper
people. You are even too stupid for something as simple as that.

But if they are homeless it is because they are supreme ****-ups. Mr. Leuck
is right and Mr. Tom is wrong (as usual). There is no excuse for being
homeless in America.

But I don't just want to see some homeless people, I want to see them
starving in the streets - like I used to see in pictures in my geography
text book of people lying prostate in the streets of Calcutta, India. They
were just all skin and bones and were not pretending to be starving but
actually were.

Here it is again:

...Please, Mr. Tom, tell me
where I can go in this country to see some people starving in the
streets....

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:15:32 -0600 "Tom Sherman"
used 17 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
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That was true up until three to four decades ago. Now the opportunities
for those born into the lower classes in Western Europe have exceeded
those for people in the US born into the lower classes. This will become
even truer with the Republican agenda of concentrating wealth in the
hands of the already rich.


Hfffmmmtttt.

Before I engage you Tom, what specific opportunities are you saying
are not available to "lower classes".


--
-Graham

Remove the 'snails' from my email

"Frank Olson" wrote in message
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:11:34 GMT "Frank Olson"
used 196 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
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L. Ron Hubbard did it... I figure I can come up with a religion for
idiots
too...


Isn't that the same kind of generalization you're accusing Ed of?


Not at all... My hat's off to Mr. Hubbard (the founder of the "Church" of
Scientology). If you read how he did it, you'll see it's a lot easier
"founding" a church than it is bringing the monster to life... Drat!!
Now you've got me comparing "religion" to Frankenstein's monster... What
will Ed make of *this*?? :-))

Frank, I am not religious at all but I have enormous respect for those that
are, but they must be adherents of mainstream religions and not cults. I
have noted that the religious at least pay homage to the virtues whether or
not they practice them - and that counts for a lot with me. Your true
scoundrel is someone who heaps scorn on religion without any understanding
of the role of religion in the life of mankind. Sophistication is everything
when it comes to how to think about religion.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:16:46 -0600 "Tom Sherman"
used 19 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
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Are you an advocate/ volunteer working with these guys Mark?

Maybe he is trying to sell the homeless home security systems.


One of his pals tells me he's actually a pretty nice guy outside of
Usenet. I was trying to gauge whether or not to elevate him to "Saint
Mark". ;~)



--
-Graham

"What I have mostly against middle aged white liberals like you is that you do not know how to hate the proper
people." -Ed Dolan

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Ogg Oggibly wrote:

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Jihad - A war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of Islam,
carried out as a religious duty.

Webster's New World College Dictionary

Webster needs to get a better translator. This may be how "Jihad" is
commonly used in the US by English speakers, but it is wrong.

It is the definition being used by Islamic extremists like UBL. What else
is there to know.


Nope. Sorry Ed. To adopt the definition of the word by one man as (as only
he sees it), is as misleading (and wrong-headed) as saying "all Muslims are
Terrorists" (or "all Terrorists are Muslims")...

"Frank Olson" wrote in message
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PS: If you *must* know, I voted for Bush. That makes me some "Liberal
Conservative girly man", eh?? :-))

Damn and all this time I thought you were one of these people

http://72.3.131.10/gallery/1/

I know Tom has gotta be in there somewhere

"G. Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:37:30 GMT "Mark Leuck"
used 38 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

I went to one in downtown Dallas last month, I don't see any real changes
these days although the food appears to be better, same type of people...


Are you an advocate/ volunteer working with these guys Mark?

In this case no, I was installing an alarm system, seems some of the
customers were breaking in at night and robbing the place

I am not an advocate, I was one of em