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Blame the faulty drivers of dangerous machinery. 4WDs most dangerous on road
"TimC" wrote in message
... On 2005-10-24, Kev (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: Of the last 4 vehicles I have come into contact with, 3 were 4WDs (the other was a stolen vehicle, where the drivers deliberately rammed me, and one of the 4WDs was being controlled by a road rager who fortunately chose to get out of his ego-cage in order to assault me). what is wrong with your riding skills that you keep coming into contact with cars? Reaction times greater than 200msec. Damn it, I'm only human. In the two road rage cases, it was me yelling out "hey!" to cars that tried to merge into the lane that I had already occupied. "hey!" of course being the most to-the-point thing that one can quickly say -- as far more effective than merely ringing my bell. The 4WDer obviously felt like his penis was threatened by this, so got out of his car and started pushing me around.... 50m from a booze bus with flashing lights. Idiot. The other was a bunch of teenagers in a stolen car taking it for a joy ride, so they got their thrills out of being dangerous fools on the road. Hope they've met a tree now. Then the idiot woman the other day obviously though I threatened her tits. In one other case, a 4WDer was pulling out of a carpark, and was too busy concentrating on doing an illegal U-turn to bother looking in my direction. When she hit me, I managed to stay upright and avoided the tram tracks and traffic in the opposite direction, and nearly fell over when I came to clip out, and found I could barely move my leg. She said "oh sorry, I usually am a very good driver -- I look out for cyclists, but just forgot to look this time!". Oh well, at least it wasn't the SMIDSY -- "Sorry Mate, I Didn't See You" -- I have to admit I've never heard someone say "I didn't bother looking for you". And she even took me to the doctor then the police station. You'd prefer FYWYCF (f&ck you, where'd you come from?) And the case 2 weeks ago was an idiot in a 4WD who didn't indicate, barely slowed down, or look when he pulled into a parking spot. I was possible not riding as defensively as I could (I should have taken the middle of the right hand lane in order not to allow vehicles to pass me when there wasn't enough room) -- although the traffic was travelling rather slow at the time, and I thought it was safe. He broke at least 2, possibly three laws (I'm talking to a lawyer tomorrow), and I broke 0 laws. Unfortunately, he has left me a 2 day visit to a hospital, $500 out of pocket, and with a much reduced capacity to eat for the past almost 2 weeks (lay ruin to my plan of doing the 210km around-the-bay, because I couldn't fuel myself). and I didn't even get a single scratch on his fricking precious Urban Asault Vehicle. There is no place for 4WDs in city roads. Obviously no place for accident prone cyclists either. My only near misses riding in Sydney were with cars, taxi's usually, never hit me though. Every single one of mine was a clean, never used in the bush vehicle. 2 of them were sole occupant, and the other had two occupants. The one that got me last time had a taller bonnet than my handlebars, which means he sure as hell isn't going to see a lot of obstacles, and any human he does hit will be hit in the torso, and will not have a chance of going safely over the bonnet. Combine that with the fact that the vehicles are not constructed to the same safety standards as required by law of normal passenger vehicles, and that they are actively aggressive to non 4WD users, and you have a vehicle that is extremely harmful to society. But since it is so loved amongst Toorak style voters, of whom our Johnny Howard love, I doubt they will be taxed comparably to normal vehicles anytime soon. You never consider us non Toorak, real offroaders exist do you, if it's under 2 year old it doesn't exist to you Toorak cyclists. |
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Blame the faulty drivers of dangerous machinery. 4WDs most dangerous on road
"Tom N" wrote in message
... Noddy wrote: "fasgnadh" wrote A diahatsu charade has a rear blind spot of a few metres when a two year old is standing behind it. For a 4WD its over 15 metres. ****ing bull**** What "4wd" would that be you ractionary ****? http://www.nrma.com.au/pub/nrma/moto...rch/reversing- visibility/index.shtml "Contrary to popular belief, NRMA Insurance research reveals that 4WD vehicles are not the worst when it comes to reversing visibility. In fact, many perform better than popular sedans. ...no car type is inherently better" According to the test, the following (out of the cars tested) have "Minimum Distance to view test object (metres)" of 15m or mo Peugeot 407 (Sedan) - with OEM sensors Certain models of Holden Commodore Toyota Prado Land Rover Discovery Honda Odyssey (5 Door Wagon) Mercedes CLK500 (2 Door Convertible) Holden Monaro CV8 (Coupe) - with OEM sensors Holden Crewman (4 Door Ute) "fasgnadh" wrote 4WDs are responsible for 50% of driveway killings of toddlers, sedans, despite being much more common, only 20%. Easily fixed with a reversing camera. Unfortunately the fact that 4wds will hit ordinary cars at head height for the occupants is not so easily fixed. In the Used Car Safety Ratings at http://www.mynrma.com.au/used_safety_ratings_4wd.asp all the large 4WDs scored "Significantly more harm than average" in the "How seriously is your vehicle likely to harm another road user?" rating (which is vastly worse than any other vehicle category). There are only 2 passive safety ways to avoid this problem of being hit by a large 4wd. 1. Buy a large 4wd yourself (the nuclear arms race solution). 2. Get a car with side, curtain and front airbags. I think the 5% duty on 4wds should be increased to 10% like other cars and that 5% duty should apply to cars with 5 star ANCAP or EuroNCAP crash rating that also have side, curtain and front airbags, plus maybe some criteria based on pedestrian crash friendliness. I'm yet to get this mythical tax break on any second hand 4wd I've owned, stamp duty is same as cars up here. In terms of crash protection for 4wd occupants, the safety ratings show they are no better nor worse than other similarly sized cars. http://www.mynrma.com.au/ancap_1.asp |
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Blame the faulty drivers of dangerous machinery. 4WDs most dangerous on road
"Resound" wrote in message
... "Noddy" wrote in message ... "fasgnadh" wrote in message ... For a 4WD its over 15 metres. ****ing bull**** What "4wd" would that be you ractionary ****? Regards, Noddy. Oh look, we've roused them We're talking about toddler height objects. Try driving away from a white post in your lard arse Landcruiser until you can see the whole reflector at the top. Then stop and see how far from it you are.Everything between it and the back of your vehicle is where you can't see a child. And I think the word you're desperately groping for is "reactionary". Why yes, I actually DO react to things. You know...by thinking about them for example. Who wants to take bets on an incoherent response or none at all? I have no problems with visibility at all out the back of my Patrol ute, maybe you're too short, hwen we all have camera's cars will be the deadly killers then. |
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Blame the faulty drivers of dangerous machinery. 4WDs most dangerous on road
I don't think Phil Kearns needs to prove anything.
What is Jack Haley's explanation for women buying big 4WDs? Sounds a bit glib to me. |
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Blame the faulty drivers of dangerous machinery. 4WDs most dangerouson road
Rainbow Warrior wrote:
"fasgnadh" wrote in message ... Brash wrote: "Brash" wrote in message m.au... The car accident that left the daughter of former Wallaby skipper Phil Kearns with life-threatening injuries has reignited demands for upgraded safety on four-wheel drives. How about upgraded situational awareness for ALL drivers? How about tyargetting the biggest killers first. How about dealing with faulty owners of dangerous machinery that is involved in a disproportionate number of child fatalities... "I bought a 4WD for my families safety" - Pigs Arse Nineteen-month-old Andie Kearns remains on a respirator in a critical but stable condition in The Children's Hospital, Randwick, after she was accidentally run over by her father in the driveway of the family home on Saturday. Very sad. I hope the little tike gets well soon. But raging against a machine, be it a 4WD or a centrfire rifle, serves no purpose. The machines can't hear you, and aren't to blam anyway. A diahatsu charade has a rear blind spot of a few metres when a two year old is standing behind it. For a 4WD its over 15 metres. 4WDs are responsible for 50% of driveway killings of toddlers, sedans, despite being much more common, only 20%. I would say, you do the maths, but I don't think you can. Figures I heard cars run over 90% of pedestrians, they should be banned. If 90% of pedestrians were run over there would be a ban. But cars would have to routinely mount the footpaths to get 90% of pedestrians. You didn't 'hear' such figures, you made them up. Which is incredible rat ******* behaviour when kiddes are being killed. As I said, even though you took your socks off, you still can't do the math. "People buy them (4WDs) thinking they're safe, but they simply are not," Mr Scruby said. http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.a...5936,15755676% 255E1702,00.html 4WD owners 'compensating' By David Crawshaw 28jun05 FOUR-wheel drive owners will often tell you they chose their vehicles for safety reasons. But Pedestrian Council of Australia chairman Harold Scruby reckons it has less to do with safety and more to do with compensating for anatomical deficiencies. "There's a Freudian factor; certain people have to buy these large cars because they're missing elsewhere," Mr Scruby said today. "The majority of drivers see (4WD owners) as aggressive and arrogant – it's a certain type of person who has to have one of these vehicles and sit above everyone else." Mr Scruby today called for the removal of tariff reductions for 4WDs as a study showed what many already suspected – that 4WDs are the most dangerous cars on the road. The Monash University study found 4WDs were far more likely than conventional vehicles to kill or maim other road users. Mr Scruby, who drives a Subaru Outback, said it was hard to tell to what degree the people driving 4WDs were responsible for the high injury rates, and how much was due to the physical nature of 4WDs. It was not really possible to improve safety for the occupants of one vehicle in a crash without compromising safety for the occupants of the other, he said. Mr Scruby called on the Federal Government to scrap tariff reductions on 4WD vehicles, and to apply lower tariffs to safer vehicles. People who genuinely needed 4WDs, such as those in remote areas, could be exempted from increased tariffs, he said. But elsewhere 4WDs should be "taxed off the road". "I don't think people in Mosman and Toorak should be getting these vehicles at 5-per-cent tax when a Corolla is taxed at 10 per cent," Mr Scruby said. He also took aim at young drivers in regional areas who drove souped-up utes often adorned with bullbars, aerials and stickers. "In the bush every young driver wants to drive a Holden ute with a bullbar," he said. "It's a testosterone thing, it's all about 'mine is bigger than yours'." NRMA vehicle policy expert Jack Haley said the high rate of injuries caused by 4WDs was due to the type of vehicle involved, not the behaviour of 4WD drivers. The same tariffs should be applied to all cars, Mr Haley said. |
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Noddy wrote:
****ing bull**** Stange thing for an adult to be doing, but it seems to make you happy. |
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Blame the faulty drivers of dangerous machinery. 4WDs most dangerouson road
Rainbow Warrior wrote:
"TimC" wrote in message ... On 2005-10-24, Kev (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: Of the last 4 vehicles I have come into contact with, 3 were 4WDs (the other was a stolen vehicle, where the drivers deliberately rammed me, and one of the 4WDs was being controlled by a road rager who fortunately chose to get out of his ego-cage in order to assault me). what is wrong with your riding skills that you keep coming into contact with cars? Reaction times greater than 200msec. Damn it, I'm only human. In the two road rage cases, it was me yelling out "hey!" to cars that tried to merge into the lane that I had already occupied. "hey!" of course being the most to-the-point thing that one can quickly say -- as far more effective than merely ringing my bell. The 4WDer obviously felt like his penis was threatened by this, so got out of his car and started pushing me around.... 50m from a booze bus with flashing lights. Idiot. The other was a bunch of teenagers in a stolen car taking it for a joy ride, so they got their thrills out of being dangerous fools on the road. Hope they've met a tree now. Then the idiot woman the other day obviously though I threatened her tits. In one other case, a 4WDer was pulling out of a carpark, and was too busy concentrating on doing an illegal U-turn to bother looking in my direction. When she hit me, I managed to stay upright and avoided the tram tracks and traffic in the opposite direction, and nearly fell over when I came to clip out, and found I could barely move my leg. She said "oh sorry, I usually am a very good driver -- I look out for cyclists, but just forgot to look this time!". Oh well, at least it wasn't the SMIDSY -- "Sorry Mate, I Didn't See You" -- I have to admit I've never heard someone say "I didn't bother looking for you". And she even took me to the doctor then the police station. You'd prefer FYWYCF (f&ck you, where'd you come from?) And the case 2 weeks ago was an idiot in a 4WD who didn't indicate, barely slowed down, or look when he pulled into a parking spot. I was possible not riding as defensively as I could (I should have taken the middle of the right hand lane in order not to allow vehicles to pass me when there wasn't enough room) -- although the traffic was travelling rather slow at the time, and I thought it was safe. He broke at least 2, possibly three laws (I'm talking to a lawyer tomorrow), and I broke 0 laws. Unfortunately, he has left me a 2 day visit to a hospital, $500 out of pocket, and with a much reduced capacity to eat for the past almost 2 weeks (lay ruin to my plan of doing the 210km around-the-bay, because I couldn't fuel myself). and I didn't even get a single scratch on his fricking precious Urban Asault Vehicle. There is no place for 4WDs in city roads. Obviously no place for accident prone cyclists either. My only near misses riding in Sydney were with cars, taxi's usually, never hit me though. Every single one of mine was a clean, never used in the bush vehicle. 2 of them were sole occupant, and the other had two occupants. The one that got me last time had a taller bonnet than my handlebars, which means he sure as hell isn't going to see a lot of obstacles, and any human he does hit will be hit in the torso, and will not have a chance of going safely over the bonnet. Combine that with the fact that the vehicles are not constructed to the same safety standards as required by law of normal passenger vehicles, and that they are actively aggressive to non 4WD users, and you have a vehicle that is extremely harmful to society. But since it is so loved amongst Toorak style voters, of whom our Johnny Howard love, I doubt they will be taxed comparably to normal vehicles anytime soon. You never consider us non Toorak, real offroaders exist do you, if it's under 2 year old it doesn't exist to you Toorak cyclists. Hmmmmm Does Glen Iris count? Does my 40 year old car count? |
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fasgnadh wrote:
How about tyargetting the biggest killers first. All you sheeple who eat up whatever the latest sensationalist media beat up is really amuse me. Or it would if it wasn't such a depressing reminder of how stupid humans are when they go into mob mentality. But keep listening to your shock jocks with their baseless figures in order to get you all foaming at the mouth and into your pigeon-hole-hating states of mind. What's on the menu next? Anyone know? |
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Blame the faulty drivers of dangerous machinery. 4WDs most dangerous on road
"fasgnadh" wrote in message
... Rainbow Warrior wrote: "fasgnadh" wrote in message ... Brash wrote: "Brash" wrote in message om.au... The car accident that left the daughter of former Wallaby skipper Phil Kearns with life-threatening injuries has reignited demands for upgraded safety on four-wheel drives. How about upgraded situational awareness for ALL drivers? How about tyargetting the biggest killers first. How about dealing with faulty owners of dangerous machinery that is involved in a disproportionate number of child fatalities... "I bought a 4WD for my families safety" - Pigs Arse Nineteen-month-old Andie Kearns remains on a respirator in a critical but stable condition in The Children's Hospital, Randwick, after she was accidentally run over by her father in the driveway of the family home on Saturday. Very sad. I hope the little tike gets well soon. But raging against a machine, be it a 4WD or a centrfire rifle, serves no purpose. The machines can't hear you, and aren't to blam anyway. A diahatsu charade has a rear blind spot of a few metres when a two year old is standing behind it. For a 4WD its over 15 metres. 4WDs are responsible for 50% of driveway killings of toddlers, sedans, despite being much more common, only 20%. I would say, you do the maths, but I don't think you can. Figures I heard cars run over 90% of pedestrians, they should be banned. If 90% of pedestrians were run over there would be a ban. But cars would have to routinely mount the footpaths to get 90% of pedestrians. You didn't 'hear' such figures, you made them up. Which is incredible rat ******* behaviour when kiddes are being killed. As I said, even though you took your socks off, you still can't do the math. You say 50% another wowser says 80%, you are both plucking figures from someones arse anyway. "People buy them (4WDs) thinking they're safe, but they simply are not," Mr Scruby said. http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.a...5936,15755676% 255E1702,00.html 4WD owners 'compensating' By David Crawshaw 28jun05 FOUR-wheel drive owners will often tell you they chose their vehicles for safety reasons. But Pedestrian Council of Australia chairman Harold Scruby reckons it has less to do with safety and more to do with compensating for anatomical deficiencies. "There's a Freudian factor; certain people have to buy these large cars because they're missing elsewhere," Mr Scruby said today. "The majority of drivers see (4WD owners) as aggressive and arrogant – it's a certain type of person who has to have one of these vehicles and sit above everyone else." Mr Scruby today called for the removal of tariff reductions for 4WDs as a study showed what many already suspected – that 4WDs are the most dangerous cars on the road. The Monash University study found 4WDs were far more likely than conventional vehicles to kill or maim other road users. Mr Scruby, who drives a Subaru Outback, said it was hard to tell to what degree the people driving 4WDs were responsible for the high injury rates, and how much was due to the physical nature of 4WDs. It was not really possible to improve safety for the occupants of one vehicle in a crash without compromising safety for the occupants of the other, he said. Mr Scruby called on the Federal Government to scrap tariff reductions on 4WD vehicles, and to apply lower tariffs to safer vehicles. People who genuinely needed 4WDs, such as those in remote areas, could be exempted from increased tariffs, he said. But elsewhere 4WDs should be "taxed off the road". "I don't think people in Mosman and Toorak should be getting these vehicles at 5-per-cent tax when a Corolla is taxed at 10 per cent," Mr Scruby said. He also took aim at young drivers in regional areas who drove souped-up utes often adorned with bullbars, aerials and stickers. "In the bush every young driver wants to drive a Holden ute with a bullbar," he said. "It's a testosterone thing, it's all about 'mine is bigger than yours'." NRMA vehicle policy expert Jack Haley said the high rate of injuries caused by 4WDs was due to the type of vehicle involved, not the behaviour of 4WD drivers. The same tariffs should be applied to all cars, Mr Haley said. |
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