There are some odd drivers about!

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 6:55:56 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Define slow moving and cite the HC.

I believe you are allowed to overtake tractors, horses and the like if there are double white lines and the vehicle or animal is doing 10mph or less.

QUOTE:
Rule 129 states that that you may cross the solid white line, “provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cyclist, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less’
ENDS

So I would say that 10mph would count as "slow moving".

On 06/04/2020 14:33, Simon Mason wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:56:12 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:

I want to know where all these pull in places are that you think
cyclists could use.

I was driving down a 15% hill near my house today and after spotting
a faster moving cyclist in my mirror, indicated left, pulled over and
stopped. The passing cyclist thanked me as he sped past. No issues
there.

I have been going downhill behind a "selfish driver peevishly
obstructing the highway".

But I take it that you stopped well ahead of the cyclist, rather than
standing on the brakes after he caught up? I think that is what Nugent
expects cyclists to do. On paper to "pull over and stop" sounds very easy.

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:31:30 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 06/04/2020 14:33, Simon Mason wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:56:12 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:

I want to know where all these pull in places are that you think
cyclists could use.

I was driving down a 15% hill near my house today and after spotting
a faster moving cyclist in my mirror, indicated left, pulled over and
stopped. The passing cyclist thanked me as he sped past. No issues
there.

I have been going downhill behind a "selfish driver peevishly
obstructing the highway".

But I take it that you stopped well ahead of the cyclist, rather than
standing on the brakes after he caught up?

It all happened very fast as he came around a corner at speed in my rear view mirror. As it was obvious that the cyclist was travelling faster than me, I indicated left in plenty of time, pulled to the side of the road and carefully stopped to let him pass.

On Monday, 6 April 2020 19:15:55 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 6:55:56 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Define slow moving and cite the HC.

I believe you are allowed to overtake tractors, horses and the like if there are double white lines and the vehicle or animal is doing 10mph or less..

QUOTE:
Rule 129 states that that you may cross the solid white line, “provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cyclist, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less’
ENDS

So I would say that 10mph would count as "slow moving".

Yet strangely I don't see many motorists deliberately passing within inches of horse riders with horn blaring whilst shouting 'get on the Bridleway'.

On 06/04/2020 18:55, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 6 April 2020 02:40:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

Slow moving vehicles obstruct the highway. That is why there is a
Highway Code rule to the effect that large or slow vehicles (not large
*and* slow, either one is sufficient) should be moved to the nearside,
stopping if necessary, to allow obstructed traffic to pass.

Define slow moving and cite the HC.

The word Nugent used is 'should' not 'must'. Hard to police and largely
impossible to put into practice in Britain now. If the road is clear,
people can overtake anyway. When sightlines are poor or there is
oncoming traffic (which is most of the time) any well meaning action is
counter-productive.

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:12:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 6 April 2020 19:15:55 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 6:55:56 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Define slow moving and cite the HC.

I believe you are allowed to overtake tractors, horses and the like if there are double white lines and the vehicle or animal is doing 10mph or less.

QUOTE:
Rule 129 states that that you may cross the solid white line, “provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cyclist, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less’
ENDS

So I would say that 10mph would count as "slow moving".

Yet strangely I don't see many motorists deliberately passing within inches of horse riders with horn blaring whilst shouting 'get on the Bridleway'..

Possibly as their cars would get ****ted by a flurry of metal hooves.

On Monday, 6 April 2020 21:23:57 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:12:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 6 April 2020 19:15:55 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 6:55:56 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Define slow moving and cite the HC.

I believe you are allowed to overtake tractors, horses and the like if there are double white lines and the vehicle or animal is doing 10mph or less.

QUOTE:
Rule 129 states that that you may cross the solid white line, “provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cyclist, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less’
ENDS

So I would say that 10mph would count as "slow moving".

Yet strangely I don't see many motorists deliberately passing within inches of horse riders with horn blaring whilst shouting 'get on the Bridleway'.

Possibly as their cars would get ****ted by a flurry of metal hooves.

Do you really believe that is the reason?

On 06/04/2020 18:55, Mike Collins wrote:

On Monday, 6 April 2020 02:40:09 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:

Slow moving vehicles obstruct the highway. That is why there is a
Highway Code rule to the effect that large or slow vehicles (not large
*and* slow, either one is sufficient) should be moved to the nearside,
stopping if necessary, to allow obstructed traffic to pass.

Define slow moving and cite the HC.

Don't be stupid. You know full well that the Highway Code rule I cited
does exist. If you didn't know (or claim that you didn't know), you
ought to be urgently revisiting the Code.

For the sake of clarity, though, you can pick the bones out of these two
consecutive Rules:

QUOTE:
Rule 168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a
steady course and speed, *slowing down* if necessary to let the vehicle
pass. *Never* obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving
unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to
maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in
front of you.

Rule 169
Do *not* hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving
a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if
necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.
ENDQUOTE

"Slow moving" has to be understood as a relative term. It means (in this
context) moving more slowly than the traffic would move if the
obstruction were not present.

If you are unsure of the meaning(s) of any words used in this post, I
recommend a good dictionary.

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On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:34:26 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 6 April 2020 21:23:57 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:12:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 6 April 2020 19:15:55 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 6:55:56 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Define slow moving and cite the HC.

I believe you are allowed to overtake tractors, horses and the like if there are double white lines and the vehicle or animal is doing 10mph or less.

QUOTE:
Rule 129 states that that you may cross the solid white line, “provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cyclist, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less’
ENDS

So I would say that 10mph would count as "slow moving".

Yet strangely I don't see many motorists deliberately passing within inches of horse riders with horn blaring whilst shouting 'get on the Bridleway'.

Possibly as their cars would get ****ted by a flurry of metal hooves.

Do you really believe that is the reason?

Yes - a horse that has been spooked by a close passing driver can do a lot of damage to a car. Deers are bad enough. That is why motorists give horses a wider berth than cyclists on the whole.

I have been struck by four door mirrors on my right arm by close passing drivers who wouldn't dream of doing the same to a horse.

On 07/04/2020 12:30, JNugent wrote:
On 06/04/2020 18:55, Mike Collins wrote:

On Monday, 6 April 2020 02:40:09 UTC+1, JNugentÂ* wrote:
Slow moving vehicles obstruct the highway. That is why there is a
Highway Code rule to the effect that large or slow vehicles (not large
*and* slow, either one is sufficient) should be moved to the nearside,
stopping if necessary, to allow obstructed traffic to pass.

Define slow moving and cite the HC.

Don't be stupid. You know full well that the Highway Code rule I cited
does exist. If you didn't know (or claim that you didn't know), you
ought to be urgently revisiting the Code.

For the sake of clarity, though, you can pick the bones out of these two
consecutive Rules:

QUOTE:
Rule 168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a
steady course and speed, *slowing down* if necessary to let the vehicle
pass. *Never* obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving
unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to
maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in
front of you.

"...maintain a steady course and speed..."

Rule 169
Do *not* hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving
a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if
necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.
ENDQUOTE

"...where it is safe..."

Do you remember what I said a couple of posts ago?

"Slow moving" has to be understood as a relative term. It means (in this
context) moving more slowly than the traffic would move if the
obstruction were not present.

Traffic is always headed by the slowest vehicle.