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ST wrote:
On 10/11/08 8:20 PM, in article
, "Howard Kveck"
wrote:

In article , ST
wrote:

Acorn does not flag anything!
Wrong again, pinhead.

IF their surrogates are doing questionable
work to register people it is THEIR responsibility!
That's why they flag the questionable and obviously bad ones when they hand
them
over to the election officials. They are taking responsibility.


Prove it! show a source/link.

From
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...its_troops.php

"Voter registration cards aren't the property of ACORN or any other
group, and ACORN is required by law to turn in every completed form --
even if they're obviously fraudulent. ACORN insists it has procedures in
place to flag these forms..."

Not that I expect this to change anyone's opinion.

On Oct 11, 4:53 pm, wrote:

You can lay the blame for the current credit mess squarely on the
shoulders of democrats who pressured the lending industry to give
loans to the poor and who refused to create the approriate regulations
to prevent the meltdown we're seeing. ...

Hold it, are you high? The derivatives bubble is a quadrillion. That's
not 4 trillion, by the way, that's 1000 trillion. All the mortgages
put together are spittle in a bucket. But nice one -- it's all the
fault of the poor, and the democrats. Go drink more koolaid.

In article , ST wrote:

On 10/11/08 8:20 PM, in article
, "Howard Kveck"
wrote:

In article , ST

wrote:

Acorn does not flag anything!

Wrong again, pinhead.

IF their surrogates are doing questionable
work to register people it is THEIR responsibility!

That's why they flag the questionable and obviously bad ones when they
hand them over to the election officials. They are taking responsibility.

Prove it! show a source/link.

So lazy, you. And what happens when I do?
_________________
What Griffin fails to note, however, is that ACORN made very clear that some
registrations they gathered from canvassers in Lake County may have been faulty. An
ACORN spokesmen explained this in an October 7 press release:

"ACORN flags and turns in three kinds of cards, those that it can verify, those
that are incomplete, and those that it flags as problematic. It turns those in
labeled in a special way and are very conservative in terms of what it flags as
problematic. It has stacks of problematic cover sheets. [...]"

The Lake County Board knew about the questionable registrations today because ACORN
flagged them for the board. For example, the Jimmy John's card is one that a caller
had flagged and labeled as problematic. ACORN can get that caller to talk to the
press.

According to Regina Harris, the Director of Registrations for Lake County, this claim
checks out. "It's certainly true. They did have three batches separated." she told me
this morning. "There was a pile they knew were good, there was some they said had
missing info -- like no voter ID number or a missing birthday -- and another batch
they called 'suspicious.' "

Why would ACORN submit registration forms it had deemed "suspicious"? Because under
most state laws, voter registration organizations are required to turn in all the
forms they receive. In a phone conversation today, ACORN press coordinator Charles
Jackson confirmed that this is the case in Indiana.

So what explains all the faulty registration forms? There are two probable causes.
One is that some registration forms can contain simple errors. That means the
registrant didn't intend to subvert the election process, but rather just made an
honest mistake.

The other scenario involves the canvassers themselves. If employees want to boost
their performance in the eyes of their boss or simply don't want to do the work of
finding legitimate new voters, they could turn in forged or faulty registration
forms. This is illegal and can wreak havoc on registrar's offices, but there's no
evidence these imaginary people turn around and vote in November. Given Indiana's
strict voter ID law, it would actually be next to impossible for anyone to cast a
ballot under the name of a submarine sandwich chain or a dead person.
_________________

http://progressillinois.com/2008/10/...-without-facts

That was easy.

And if you believe so strongly that "voter fraud" (not *registration* fraud) is
taking place then you can search out the examples of people getting in trouble for
fraudulent voting, right?

You know, the case of the US Attorneys that got canned a while back was about
voter fraud - the DOJ, driven by Gonzalez, were telling the USAs to prosecute voter
fraud, but the USAs couldn't find any to prosecute.

--
tanx,
Howard

Abandon the Creeping Meatball!

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In article ,
Fred Fredburger wrote:

ST wrote:
On 10/11/08 8:20 PM, in article
, "Howard Kveck"
wrote:

In article , ST

wrote:

Acorn does not flag anything!
Wrong again, pinhead.

IF their surrogates are doing questionable
work to register people it is THEIR responsibility!
That's why they flag the questionable and obviously bad ones when they
hand
them
over to the election officials. They are taking responsibility.


Prove it! show a source/link.

From
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...ies_its_troops.
php

"Voter registration cards aren't the property of ACORN or any other
group, and ACORN is required by law to turn in every completed form --
even if they're obviously fraudulent. ACORN insists it has procedures in
place to flag these forms..."

Not that I expect this to change anyone's opinion.

Thanks, FF.

--
tanx,
Howard

Abandon the Creeping Meatball!

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article ,
wrote:

On Oct 11, 7:16*pm, Howard Kveck wrote:
In article
,

wrote:

You can lay the blame for the current credit mess squarely on the
shoulders of democrats who pressured the lending industry to give
loans to the poor and who refused to create the approriate regulations
to prevent the meltdown we're seeing. *I'm sure you don't see it that
way, but you've got blinders on. *Besides, its all Bush's fault,
right?

* *Sorry, but the facts get in the way of your attempt to lay the blame for
the current economic crisis on blacks, hispanics and other minorities. (Not
racist much, are y'all?):

Not blaming anything on the minorities, only those who pander to them
but never actually help them.

Well, it comes across as blaming the minorities, and that has been much more
explicitly stated in many mainstream right leaning sources. There's several problems
with it, besides the ones that I presented in my last post. First thing to be aware
of is that people in this country are essentially raised to know that banks are to be
trusted. So when a lower income person sees everyone else buying a home, they want to
be part of that too. So they go to the mortgage broker and he shows them papers that
say they can qualify and that their down will be low (or zero) and the initial
payments will also be affordable. Many times, those brokers told them to fudge info
because that'd make it get approved more easily. The main thing is that people were
told they'd be able to afford it and, since it's they're dealing with a bank, they
trusted that info. Well, down the road the intererest rates adjusted and balloon
payments came due and people couldn't make the payments. Now, you don't actually
think that people went into that with the express idea of defaulting on the loan, do
you? Many people who got into the crazy adjustable rate loans that were aimed for the
sketchiest borrowers actually qualified for more straightforward (fixed rate) loans
but the brokers got a bigger commission on the other loan. Of course brokers want
more commissions.

A bigger part of the home loans in default are actually not in the "subprime"
market - it's more middle of the road people who bought more house than they needed
(the "McMansions"). Many of those people also jacked up their payments by doing HELOC
crap far beyond what they should have.

The programs to help lower income people get into home ownership are fine, but the
deregulation of the banking industry (thank Phil Gramm for much of that) made it so
that brokers didn't have enough oversight to keep them in line. The regulations and
oversight that were there before should have been enough to stop this stuff.

--
tanx,
Howard

Abandon the Creeping Meatball!

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:10:20 -0700 (PDT), "P.Chisholm"
wrote:


What he is, is a thinly-veiled socialist who believes in telling the
same lie over and over until its accepted as true.

Fred

And McCain was a poor Naval Officer and aviator who said he 'found
religion' after Hanoi but was a self described 'wild man' after he
returned. He set new records for womanizing and drinking..in spite of
his wife, who was hurt in a car crash and could barley walk. John was
living the high life in DC. Just the guy we want running things.


Oh...just like JFK and Teddy Kennedy?

Gunner

On Oct 12, 5:21*pm, Fred Fredburger
wrote:

*From this stream of uncritical acceptance of McCain talking points, I
can only conclude that you are attempting to prove JT correct in his
characterizations of you.

Point made.- Hide quoted text -

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How are those not valid issues connected with Obama? Isn't it amazing
that all we hear about from a bunch of the folks is Republican thugs,
and vote fraud?
Questions about McCain and the Keating 5 are perfectly valid and
should be brought up, as should the connections of his people to
Fannie and Freddie, why is it wrong to do the same for Obama?
Let's discuss the history of voter fraud by the Chicago Machine,
especially since they long bragged THEY elected JFK from their
cemetaries. Is Obama a product of that system?
Let's see, fraudulent registrations, blocking every attempt at laws
requiring picture ID to vote, and then since you don't need picture
ID, or better yet fingerprint, which they do here in Mass. for
firearms background checks, it's pretty easy for them to orchestrate
massive vote fraud isn't it?
As the saying goes "Vote Early, Vote Often!".
Bill C

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
wrote:
Let's discuss the history of voter fraud by the Chicago Machine,
especially since they long bragged THEY elected JFK from their
cemetaries. Is Obama a product of that system?

Bill, if you're raising the standard Republican talking points as a
poltiical argument, I'm not going to bite because (despite what you
think) I don't enjoy arguing politics with you. But I'm sure someone
will.

If you're raising them to prove how independent you are, well, it's
not working.

Could you please throw in something about antiwar protesters in
Vietnam and the PC "free-speech zones" on the Amherst College campus
as reasons to question Obama and then we'll have a right-wing trifecta
in play

LOL.

On Oct 11, 5:02*pm, ST wrote:


Blind JT,

snip



Partisan Moron -


It's ironic and funny that you would call someone else blind.

Fannie and Freddie were part of the problem, but those two entities
were not/are not capable of causing a global financial crisis no
matter what they did.

The root problem is the enabling of the asset deficient credit default
swaps. Credit Phil Gramm and Alan Greenspan. I will expound if you
wish to offer one of your shallow partisan protestations.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Oct 11, 6:16*pm, Howard Kveck wrote:

* *Sorry, but the facts get in the way of your attempt to lay the blame for the
current economic crisis on blacks, hispanics and other minorities. (Not racist much,
are y'all?):

Oh, shut the **** up with the idiot-talk. It makes you sound like an
idiot.

The root of these wide-spread problems is the federal reserve (central
banking) and the banking laws. The Fed needs to be abolished, along
with a complete revision of law regarding reserve requirements and
clear disclosure of terms on deposits. (Just noting the first basics.)

If you're worring about inadequate regulation, and honesty in
advertising, maybe you could call out for abolishing the fed and
strict disclosure of fractional reserves in banking. And also insist
that guvmints did not allow banks to do what other firms are not
allowed to do: functionally operate as bankrupt while not announcing
or filing for bankruptcy. IOW, being allowed to suspend specie
payments. In fact, the guvmint promotes the bad behavior.

I could accept a _gradual_ phase out of the FED, but its gotta go.

The contemporary bogeyman of "insufficient credit" is complete
horse**** in the sense that cheap credit is at the base of the
liquidity and credit problems today. Sure, now the house of cards can
come tumbling down and there is only the bad "choice" of injecting
liquidity. And so they are "pushing on the string." And that is not
guaranteed to work, so the next step is massive fiscal policy because
the massive monetary policy will be limited. And yep, that is exactly
what is happening after we were told we needed this big bailout, sure
enough now there are calls for massive fiscal policy in addition. It
is the standard bogus (keynesian) econ doctine. It is so predictable.

If "you" are going to make the decision to have a cheap credit banking
system with an inflating central bank and fractional reserve banking,
you are going to have a boom-bust type of economy. No amount of
regulation is going to cure this in a complete way. Eliminating the
centralizing aspect and forcing full disclosures on deposits will
avoid the massive (wide-spread) boom-busts, although more local ones
would likely still happen.

You don't get rid of your problems by handing them over to guvmint,
unless you manage to saddle your neighbor instead.

I am a bit annoyed that guvmint policy incentivises me not to "hoard"
my cash, saving it to purchase a new clown car with full cash down.
Since the guvmint incentives to "not hoard" are strong, I use credit,
but invariably being uncertain of the value of money (to me) in this
guvmint distorted case, I overspend, buying an SUV instead of a clown
car. Then I cause too much global warming. Then I buy a 52'
flatscreen on credit. Then I buy a bigger house. All the stuff you
love is pure crank doctrine. No one is smart enough to pull the
levers on something so complex as what is vaguely called "the
economy." You are drinking koolaid if you listen to these frauds.

The best thing Obama or McCain could do to "lead" "us" out of the
crisis is to get the **** out of the way. But they won't do it. The
dominant doctrine/ideology is statism and a cult of personality. "We
need a great leader in these tough times." It is so sad that a nation
founded upon individual strength, "every man his own king," and
fortitude has come to this weirdo euro-trash ideology. People left
that elite-infested ****-hole to come to the USA. Now euro-tardism
has itself crossed the ocean. RIP USA.

The USA has not lived up to its ideals. So it may just as well go
straight to where it is going.