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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
On 8/20/2019 5:55 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 04:14:45 UTC-4, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/19/2019 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:35:56 PM UTC-7, AK wrote: The opening in the hex screw that holds the rear brake cable has become much looser than it used to be. What is the name of the part so I can order another one? (Hopefully they have some made of harder steel.) https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" and is probably available at your nearest Ace Hardware store in the Metric area. Tom should go into a specialty fastener store (or just a good hardware store) and ask for an "Internal Wrenching Bolt." Please report back on the look on the proprietor's face. The proper terminology is "one of them there thangs" :-) -- Cheers, John B. I worked at a mine and one day a guy came into the tool crib and asked for a part. His description of the part. "The whatcamacallit that fits on the doohickey that goes on the thingamajig." I was amazed that the guy in the tool crib handed him the part he needed. Apparently that part broke frequently. A lot of times, not knowing the terminology of bicycle things makes it very difficult for those who'd like to help a person with the questions. Cheers Old car parts guys are/were much the same. You'd walk in the door with this grotty, broken, dirty, hunk of iron, and the guy would look up and, from across the room, say "Oh Yes, front steering knuckle on the 1937 pickup". "Charley! There is one on shelf 113/B". -- Cheers, John B. That just happened to me Saturday. "I've looked everywhere for..." "Simplex 503. $1.95" -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 3:25:34 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:28:56 AM UTC-7, Chalo wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" This made me laugh. It says so much with so few words. It even hints at an explanation (not to say excuse) for your politics. A perhaps more widely understood technical term would be "M6 x 1.0 x 12 socket head cap screw". Chalo - no one knows the size of these things if they're asking about it. It is a STANDARD type of screw that can be bought in any fully equipped Ace Hardware Store anywhere in the US. By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin. Really? IIRC, at my Ace they're called socket head cap screws. And my Ace has a mind-boggling amount of fasteners, including SS metric socket head cap screws for my bike -- button head and regular. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
On 8/20/2019 8:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/20/2019 5:55 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 04:14:45 UTC-4, John B. SlocombÂ* wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/19/2019 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:35:56 PM UTC-7, AK wrote: The opening in the hex screw that holds the rear brake cable has become much looser than it used to be. What is the name of the part so I can order another one? (Hopefully they have some made of harder steel.) https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" and is probably available at your nearest Ace Hardware store in the Metric area. Tom should go into a specialty fastener store (or just a good hardware store) and ask for an "Internal Wrenching Bolt." Please report back on the look on the proprietor's face. The proper terminologyÂ* is "one of them there thangs" :-) -- Cheers, John B. I worked at a mine and one day a guy came into the tool crib and asked for a part. His description of the part. "The whatcamacallit that fits on the doohickey that goes on the thingamajig." I was amazed that the guy in the tool crib handed him the part he needed. Apparently that part broke frequently. A lot of times, not knowing the terminology of bicycle things makes it very difficult for those who'd like to help a person with the questions. Cheers Old car parts guys are/were much the same. You'd walk in the door with this grotty, broken, dirty, hunk of iron, and the guy would look up and, from across the room, say "Oh Yes, front steering knuckle on the 1937 pickup". "Charley! There is one on shelf 113/B". -- Cheers, John B. That just happened to me Saturday.Â* "I've looked everywhere for..." "Simplex 503. $1.95" Or $199.00 elsewhere, I see: https://www.ebay.com/i/113775529548 Maybe it wasn't exactly the same? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 3:25:34 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:28:56 AM UTC-7, Chalo wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" This made me laugh. It says so much with so few words. It even hints at an explanation (not to say excuse) for your politics. A perhaps more widely understood technical term would be "M6 x 1.0 x 12 socket head cap screw". Chalo - no one knows the size of these things if they're asking about it. It is a STANDARD type of screw that can be bought in any fully equipped Ace Hardware Store anywhere in the US. By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin. Really? IIRC, at my Ace they're called socket head cap screws. And my Ace has a mind-boggling amount of fasteners, including SS metric socket head cap screws for my bike -- button head and regular. -- Jay Beattie. I did a Google search for Internal Wrenching Bolt and they are similar to socket head cap screws, but higher strength, with an external taper on the head. So while I’ve never heard the term before in my life, and certainly have never heard it used in the context of bicycles, I’d say Tom is right. |
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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
Tom Kunich wrote:
By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin. I had to look up your laughable term to see if anybody else had heard of it.. It turns out that an "internal wrenching bolt" is a Jim Crow-era NAS (US aviation industry) designation for a certain kind of cadmium-plated fastener which is by definition not metric. While the decorative head on a craptastic linear-pull brake cable fixing screw is superficially kind of similar, it's not an inch-sized, cadmium-plated, ludicrously expensive airplane part. So it's not what you say it is. But feel free to keep doubling down. |
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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
On 8/20/2019 8:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/20/2019 8:11 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 8/20/2019 5:55 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 04:14:45 UTC-4, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/19/2019 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:35:56 PM UTC-7, AK wrote: The opening in the hex screw that holds the rear brake cable has become much looser than it used to be. What is the name of the part so I can order another one? (Hopefully they have some made of harder steel.) https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" and is probably available at your nearest Ace Hardware store in the Metric area. Tom should go into a specialty fastener store (or just a good hardware store) and ask for an "Internal Wrenching Bolt." Please report back on the look on the proprietor's face. The proper terminology is "one of them there thangs" :-) -- Cheers, John B. I worked at a mine and one day a guy came into the tool crib and asked for a part. His description of the part. "The whatcamacallit that fits on the doohickey that goes on the thingamajig." I was amazed that the guy in the tool crib handed him the part he needed. Apparently that part broke frequently. A lot of times, not knowing the terminology of bicycle things makes it very difficult for those who'd like to help a person with the questions. Cheers Old car parts guys are/were much the same. You'd walk in the door with this grotty, broken, dirty, hunk of iron, and the guy would look up and, from across the room, say "Oh Yes, front steering knuckle on the 1937 pickup". "Charley! There is one on shelf 113/B". -- Cheers, John B. That just happened to me Saturday. "I've looked everywhere for..." "Simplex 503. $1.95" Or $199.00 elsewhere, I see: https://www.ebay.com/i/113775529548 Maybe it wasn't exactly the same? I don't recall that FD number but the special shaped nut with an m5x0.75 bolt which holds a rear derailleur adapter into the axle slot has always been a Simplex 503 here (even when it's made by SunRace or Shimano). -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
On 8/20/2019 9:05 PM, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote: By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin. I had to look up your laughable term to see if anybody else had heard of it. It turns out that an "internal wrenching bolt" is a Jim Crow-era NAS (US aviation industry) designation for a certain kind of cadmium-plated fastener which is by definition not metric. While the decorative head on a craptastic linear-pull brake cable fixing screw is superficially kind of similar, it's not an inch-sized, cadmium-plated, ludicrously expensive airplane part. So it's not what you say it is. But feel free to keep doubling down. Tom ( with some aircraft familiarity) is actually not wrong. Damn now you reminded me there's no more cadmium plated parts. Miss those. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:08:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/20/2019 5:25 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:28:56 AM UTC-7, Chalo wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" This made me laugh. It says so much with so few words. It even hints at an explanation (not to say excuse) for your politics. A perhaps more widely understood technical term would be "M6 x 1.0 x 12 socket head cap screw". Chalo - no one knows the size of these things if they're asking about it. It is a STANDARD type of screw that can be bought in any fully equipped Ace Hardware Store anywhere in the US. By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin. Yes. V-brake anchor bolts have an oddly shaped head but an actual DIN #912 cap screw would both fit and are readily available anywhere. And, when you get right down to it don't make much difference. Way back in the distant past when I was in collage my motorcycle had a similar clamp bolt to hold the front brake cable and it was just a simple hex head bolt with a washer :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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Name of screw that holds the rear brake cable
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:11:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/20/2019 5:55 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 04:14:45 UTC-4, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/19/2019 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:35:56 PM UTC-7, AK wrote: The opening in the hex screw that holds the rear brake cable has become much looser than it used to be. What is the name of the part so I can order another one? (Hopefully they have some made of harder steel.) https://imgur.com/a/JT76Qog That is a standard "Internal Wrenching Bolt" and is probably available at your nearest Ace Hardware store in the Metric area. Tom should go into a specialty fastener store (or just a good hardware store) and ask for an "Internal Wrenching Bolt." Please report back on the look on the proprietor's face. The proper terminology is "one of them there thangs" :-) -- Cheers, John B. I worked at a mine and one day a guy came into the tool crib and asked for a part. His description of the part. "The whatcamacallit that fits on the doohickey that goes on the thingamajig." I was amazed that the guy in the tool crib handed him the part he needed. Apparently that part broke frequently. A lot of times, not knowing the terminology of bicycle things makes it very difficult for those who'd like to help a person with the questions. Cheers Old car parts guys are/were much the same. You'd walk in the door with this grotty, broken, dirty, hunk of iron, and the guy would look up and, from across the room, say "Oh Yes, front steering knuckle on the 1937 pickup". "Charley! There is one on shelf 113/B". -- Cheers, John B. That just happened to me Saturday. "I've looked everywhere for..." "Simplex 503. $1.95" I even remember the International guy that when I sort of flinched when he mentioned the price for the rear axle bearings of my old I-H pickup sort of looked over his shoulder and in a bit lower voice says "Or you might try the Bearing, Belt and Chain, downtown." I did and discovered that the exact same bearing, maker and model, was appreciably cheaper when purchased from "the bearing shop". -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:05:20 -0700 (PDT), Chalo
wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: By the way - It is NOT a "cap screw". It is as I said, and Internal Wrenching Bolt. Now they are often mislabeled and you'd find a Cap Screw in the wrong bin. I had to look up your laughable term to see if anybody else had heard of it. It turns out that an "internal wrenching bolt" is a Jim Crow-era NAS (US aviation industry) designation for a certain kind of cadmium-plated fastener which is by definition not metric. While the decorative head on a craptastic linear-pull brake cable fixing screw is superficially kind of similar, it's not an inch-sized, cadmium-plated, ludicrously expensive airplane part. So it's not what you say it is. But feel free to keep doubling down. Nope. The "NAS" number has changed but the same old bolt is still available. A NAS 147-53 is now called a MS25007-40 The AN- Army Navy specification series started in the early 1940s NAS- National Aerospace Standards, started in 1941 MS- Military standard started around the 1950s -- Cheers, John B. |
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