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"Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs |
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On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the cyclist had not pulled out in front of the bus, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that cyclist generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. More care save lives. |
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On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding of the area and circumstances. |
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On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding of the area and circumstances. Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a better choice. |
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On May 29, 10:17*pm, Squashme wrote:
On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote: On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding of the area and circumstances. Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a better choice That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non- lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in fatalities? |
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On 29 May, 22:24, FrengaX wrote:
On May 29, 10:17*pm, Squashme wrote: On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote: On May 29, 6:34*pm, "mileburner" wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding of the area and circumstances. Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a better choice That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non- lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in fatalities? Well, if that were so, Mrcheerful wouldn't have titled this discussion "dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP", now would he? |
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"Squashme" wrote in message ... On 29 May, 22:24, FrengaX wrote: On May 29, 10:17 pm, Squashme wrote: On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote: On May 29, 6:34 pm, "mileburner" wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding of the area and circumstances. Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a better choice That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non- lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in fatalities? Well, if that were so, Mrcheerful wouldn't have titled this discussion "dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP", now would he? the bus driver had to brake so sharply because some cyclist pulled out in front of him/her. The deceleration was so rapid that one passenger suffered a broken arm and one died from hitting her head. It could be said that the design of the bus seating arrangements is unsafe since passengers can be unseated simply by the brakes of the vehicle, however, hard braking would not have been needed if the cyclist had not made a serious error. I would have run the cyclist down rather than braked so hard. |
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Mrcheerful wrote:
"Squashme" wrote in message ... On 29 May, 22:24, FrengaX wrote: On May 29, 10:17 pm, Squashme wrote: On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote: On May 29, 6:34 pm, "mileburner" wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding of the area and circumstances. Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a better choice That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non- lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in fatalities? Well, if that were so, Mrcheerful wouldn't have titled this discussion "dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP", now would he? the bus driver had to brake so sharply because some cyclist pulled out in front of him/her. The deceleration was so rapid that one passenger suffered a broken arm and one died from hitting her head. It could be said that the design of the bus seating arrangements is unsafe since passengers can be unseated simply by the brakes of the vehicle, however, hard braking would not have been needed if the cyclist had not made a serious error. I would have run the cyclist down rather than braked so hard. We also do not know if the passengers were seated, or perhaps one collided with another. -- Tony Dragon |
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"Tony Dragon" wrote in message ... Mrcheerful wrote: "Squashme" wrote in message ... On 29 May, 22:24, FrengaX wrote: On May 29, 10:17 pm, Squashme wrote: On 29 May, 21:01, FrengaX wrote: On May 29, 6:34 pm, "mileburner" wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs As you obviously seem to know how fast the bus was travelling at the time, please do enlighten us. And then explain what would have been a more appropriate speed, considering you have a complete understanding of the area and circumstances. Obviously, as a general point, non-lethal speed would have been a better choice That's nearly as unhelpful as mileburner's comment. What's a non- lethal speed, in general? Zero would work, but not very viable. Not knowing the circumstances of the injury sustained which led to the passenger's death, how can you tell that it wasn't a freak of unfortunate circumstances at a speed that would normally not result in fatalities? Well, if that were so, Mrcheerful wouldn't have titled this discussion "dangerous cyclist causes death of OAP", now would he? the bus driver had to brake so sharply because some cyclist pulled out in front of him/her. The deceleration was so rapid that one passenger suffered a broken arm and one died from hitting her head. It could be said that the design of the bus seating arrangements is unsafe since passengers can be unseated simply by the brakes of the vehicle, however, hard braking would not have been needed if the cyclist had not made a serious error. I would have run the cyclist down rather than braked so hard. We also do not know if the passengers were seated, or perhaps one collided with another. even if they were standing, the cause remains with the cyclist. |
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