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Zoot Katz wrote in message ...
9 Feb 2004 23:40:26 -0800, , (Bill Meredith) wrote: But feel free to explain to all of us how the driver could have acted, in this case to prevented the child from caming to harm! I'll bet that if you asked the driver that question now he'd offer all kinds of ways, that in hindsight, he could have avoided the incident. He knew when he started the engine that he didn't have proper authorisation to move it. But he did anyway In my book, that makes him guilty. Nonsense, so if someone license is one day past renewal, and he was involved that day in an accident that was not his fault he would be guilty not just for driving without a the poper license but for the accident!!!!! Thank god people like you do not make the laws!!!! Let see in my past I had been in control of planes, without a license, and it is your view that had the plane blown up in the air without warning due to a fault in the plane it would still had somehow been my fault, because I did not have the proper paperwork to be at the controls? The paperwork would have somehow stop the plane from blowing up? Thamk god once more that even our law makers had a little more sense then you do! Bill Meredith Had he been hauling a truckload of crack, which I believe is regarded as a felony, he be culpable of murder in the accidental death of the child. No? |
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"frkrygow" wrote in message ...
Hunrobe wrote: "frkrygow" Residential areas should be hallowed ground. A person driving a motor vehicle through one should feel like a person herding a cow through a church service. Frank, re-read the news article. The child rode underneath the rear wheels of I can accept that. Nonetheless, there literally thousands of pedestrians are killed by cars in the US each year. Like the hundreds of cyclist deaths, the most common excuse is "I didn't see him" and the most common result is ... nothing. Our society, in effect, accepts inattention and incompetence on the part of drivers. It imposes a death penalty for that same inattention or incompetence on the part of a child pedestrian or cyclist. In fact, it can also impose a death penalty despite competence and attention. "You were riding or walking where there were cars?? Well, what did you expect?? These things happen!" I think that attitude is heartless, and when it extends to areas where peoples' homes are, and where children want to play outside, I think it is literally despicable. Kids have a right to be active and outside. It's natural for them to do so. The presence of deadly machinery in a residential zone is NOT natural, and it should not be treated as natural. It should be treated as imposing a high risk on others, particularly children. Sorry but the universe is heartless and not caring, there are many many things that could kill or harm a three year old child without adult supervision, outside of almost any home in the world, cars and trucks traffic is just one danger. Bill Meredith Assuming the presence of any vehicular traffic on the roadway, the only sure way to have avoided this particular accident would have been for the child not to have been there. Slow the vehicular traffic down to 10 mph. Impose licensing requirements strict enough to guarantee cautious judgement and competence at that speed. And absolutely ensure that driving infractions of a certain level mean never, ever driving again. That would have worked in this case. It's not a matter of "convenience for motorists". Cars and trucks don't belong on sidewalks, in front or back yards, or on playgrounds. Preschoolers don't belong in the street. Why would anyone want to "turn that around"? Hell, I grew up playing ball in the streets. Kids now play in the street I live on. I don't know if they're pre-schoolers, but some are very, very young. I think that's fine - they need room to run around. I think it should be the driver's responsibility to harm no one. Again: neighborhoods should be sanctuaries. The presence of anyone outside of a vehicle should impose fear in the mind of a driver. If "I might hurt someone" isn't sufficient to get their attention, then "I might go to jail for a year and never drive again" should do it. Quick related tale: I was once driving to a local fairground, to help run a bike safety program for kids. On the road or drive inside the fairgrounds, there were lots of cars parked, and visibility was poor because of it. I saw no kids, but I was worried. I slowed to a crawl, about 10 mph. Within 50 yards, a little girl on a bike popped out from the other side of a parked car, riding directly toward me on the wrong side of the road. (Of course, she was wearing the approved headgear.) I had no trouble avoiding her, but that was _only_ due to my speed. Had I been going the accepted 20 mph, I don't know I could have missed her. If I'd been doing that, would I be at fault? In my opinion, yes. Kids were known to be in the area. Visibility was bad. Extreme caution was in order. But if I were doing 20, as allowed, and killed her, would I have been prosecuted? No, probably not. And that's wrong. |
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Zoot Katz wrote in message ...
11 Feb 2004 01:48:27 -0800, , (Bill Meredith) wrote: \ Yeah, I'm stuck on the concept that the person behind the wheel is responsible for their actions. Apparently you suckhole apologists figure they're not. Automobile driving evidently breeds arrogance. Hmm, I am fairly sure the gentleman in question will be fine for not having the proper license for himself and his truck, so he will indeed be held reponseable for his actions. What you wish to do however, is to throw the poor man in prison for a death that was in no way his fault and at the same time you wave your hand in the air and wish to completely pardon the parents of the child for allowing him to come to harm, by not providing the supervision that any three years child needs. Hell one of my cats just got pass me, when I came home tonight and is outside rooming the neighborhood and as a result I am more then slighly worry about his welfare, even if he is more street wise than any 3 year old human child would be. Seem odd that I would care more for the welfare of a cat then those parents seem to had care for the welfare of thier child, is it not? Yes I know you have a large and illogical ax to grind against anyone who would dare use a power vehicle of any kind, however the more sane members of this newsgroup used both cars/vans and bikes to get from one point to another. I average roughly 15,000 miles a year on my van and 2,00 miles a year on my trek 520 touring bike. Over the years I been involved in a few minor accidents between cars and bikes from both view points. An accident isa just that an accident, something you can't seem to understand. Bill Meredith |
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