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  #121  
Old September 2nd 11, 09:47 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
...
On Sep 1, 4:53 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
All Americans have more or less the same diet.


This is an absolutely false statement. Various ethnicities have

different diets and the health conscious eat more organically and then
there are the vegetarians and vegans.

There is some value in comparing the diets of various peoples around the
world with their rates of cancer. But as is well known, comparisons are
extremely difficult for a variety of reasons, the main one being too many
variables involved.

Yet all Americans do not get
cancer. Most especially, all men do not get prostate cancer, at least not
to
the point where it is going to cause death.


First off, cancer is not American-centric as I have previously

indicated. All Americans do not get cancer, but all to many do! The
percentage of men getting prostate cancer is very high and the trend
is for prostate cancer to be contracted earlier than in the past. Why
do you think that is? As concerns death, most prostate cancer is a
slow growing non-aggressive form that allows for other maladies to
cause death before prostate cancet does, so your point is rendered
moot.

Maybe we should be studying those people who never get cancer and trying to
find out why that is?
[...]

I could go on and on here, but it should be obvious that I

know far more more about the biology of the disease than does Ed
Dolan, not that that in any way hinders him from running his mouth and
offering errant opinion stated as though fact.


What you think you know is a mere pittance compared to what the true experts
know. What are your credentials other than reading a lot of unrelated health
and medical literature on your own?

"You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance
your
long term prospects." - Ed Dolan

[...]

The main FACT you need to get acquainted with is that we are all victims
of
whatever culture we live in. There is no escaping it unless you want to
live
alone in the wilds of Alaska hunting and gathering like Chris McCandless
of
"Into the Wild" (he died of food poisoning and starvation).


A single person who dies of food posioning and/or starvation does not

to bolster your argument in the least. The main FACT that you need to
get acquainted with is that we need not be enslaved by the culture
that we born into and live in. Truth be told, it is becoming tedious
to attempt to reason with a man so unreasonable.

If you had studied the social sciences more in college instead of worthless
subjects like philosophy and religion at Loyola, you would know that we are
indeed slaves of our culture.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



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  #122  
Old September 2nd 11, 10:03 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
...
On Sep 1, 4:56 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
Your facts are not really facts, they are just another set of opinions
camouflaged as facts.


Your opinion that known facts are not really facts is merely

camouflaged opinion stated as fact. Deletion of (presented facts) and
denial of such facts is a ludicrous effort to discredit what is
documented and accepted. Socrates taught that wisdom begins in the
recognition of how little we know. Every time you open your mouth,
you embarrass yourself by demonstrating how little you know and in so
doing diminish the sum total of your credibility. Keep up the good
work.

Nope, simply documenting something does not mean it is true and accepted.
ALL facts are subject to being interpreted and disputed. My contempt for
your so-called facts runneth over!
[...]

The bottom line is that people become diseased and die every day from
cancer
and other conditions as a result of having lived. Anyone who makes it to
age
70 or so has been doing an awful lot of things right. If everyone were
dying
of diseased conditions in their 30's and 40's, then I would consider
looking
into what might be causing it, but that is clearly not the case.


The bottom line is NOT that people become diseased and die every day

from cancer and other conditions as a result of MERELY having lived, but
rather
that we have lived not as well as we should have, having made choices
that limit our exposure to that which contributes to cumulative damage
of our DNA as we age, genetic mutation that triggers the onset of
disease, an indisputable fact that DOLAN refuses to acknowledge.

Most folks live about as well as their culture permits. Trying to escape
what your culture gives you is a fool's errand.

I have never seen anyone in their 80's who was not frail. That is due to a
biological clock which is ticking away in all of us from the moment of our
birth. Diet only effects our health on the margins. The FACT is that our
food in the US is by and large safe. If it weren't, no one would make it
to
age 70 or above.


Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but

diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the
choices we make as to what we ingest. This has become increasingly
obvious as evidence accumlates.

Diet plays a role because how and what we eat is an important element of
life. However, what is in dispute is how great that role is in the grand
scheme of things. Most people in all previous cultures never lived much past
the age of 40. Maybe mother nature never intended that we should live to age
70 or 80?

Why not talk to your wife and get her input. She is a nurse and knows things
about life and death that you and I don't.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



  #123  
Old September 3rd 11, 05:58 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On 9/2/2011 9:35 AM, JimmyMac wrote:
[...]
Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but
diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the
choices we make as to what we ingest. This has become increasingly
obvious as evidence accumlates.


Yeah, but all the good food is boring, and the tasty food bad for you.
Such is life.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.
  #124  
Old September 4th 11, 03:40 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On Aug 12, 12:27*am, "Tm [email protected]" ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 8/11/2011 7:04 PM, JimmyMac wrote:

[...] Listening to Beethoven is neither
more important than your health nor will it make you any more
healthy. *That much is a indisputable.[...


The act of listening to proper music may well improve mental health,
thereby improving the function of the immune system.


I was thinking of physical health, but if mental health benefits from
listening to certain music, then Ed should listen more often since it
is obvious that he is in need of improving his mental health.
-
Tm Shermn - 42.435731N, 83.985007W
I am a vehicular cyclist.


  #125  
Old September 4th 11, 03:44 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On Sep 2, 11:58*pm, "Tm [email protected]" ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:35 AM, JimmyMac wrote:
* [...]

Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but
diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the
choices we make as to what we ingest. *This has become increasingly
obvious as evidence accumulates.


Yeah, but all the good food is boring, and the tasty food bad for you.
Such is life.


No arguments there. Much of the food that is healthy for you is on
the boring side and much food that is tasty food is not heathy for
you. Life just isnt't fair, I guess.

Jim

Tm Shermn - 42.435731N, 83.985007W
I am a vehicular cyclist.


  #126  
Old September 4th 11, 03:49 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On Sep 2, 12:25*pm, JimmyMac wrote:
On Sep 1, 4:53*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:



On Aug 12, 4:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]


You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance
your
long term prospects.
[...]
Your opinion has been noted for what it is ... fallacious. I will let


you in on a few things that if you weren't such a lazy ass, you'd be
able to learn for yourself. It is now generally accepted that 30-90%
of all cancer is diet related.


Yes, but over a lifetime. I could just as easily say that cancer is life
related. Live long enough and those cells will eventually go crazy somewhere
in your body.


Cancer is more than merely life related. *It is life choice related.

There is a strong association of high


intake of Omega-6 fats and the occurrence of prostate cancer and the
degree of its aggressiveness. The fact is that nutrition plays a
major role in the sensitivity and likelihood of developing cancer.


All Americans have more or less the same diet.


This is an absolutely false statement. *Various ethnicities have
different diets and the health conscious eat more organically and then
there are the vegetarians and vegans.

Yet all Americans do not get
cancer. Most especially, all men do not get prostate cancer, at least not to
the point where it is going to cause death.


First off, cancer is not American-centric as I have previously
indicated. *All Americans do not get cancer, but all to many do! *The
percentage of men getting prostate cancer is very high and the trend
is for prostate cancer to be contracted earlier than in the past. *Why
do you think that is? *As concerns death, most prostate cancer is a
slow growing non-aggressive form that allows for other maladies to
cause death before prostate cancer does, so your point is rendered
moot.

The health of our DNA is nutrient dependent, as is our ability to


repair DNA damage. Cancer begins with mutated faulty genes. Free
radicals damage DNA, which when not repaired, is passed on through
replication. A shortage of antioxidants inhibit the DNA repair
process. Many cells have special cancer growth genes called
protooncogenes which if turned on from the unrepaired DNA causes
normal cells to be transformed into cancer cells that replicate
uncontrollably. What wakes up (read turns on) these genes and
precipitates cancer are viruses, chemicals, infections, radiation,
foreign bodies, and nutritional deficiencies, especially deficiency of
folate.


Nope, too many possible causes, which means cancer is still not understood.


In your opinion you forgot to add. *Much is yet to be learned about
the disease, but what is know is that which you stubbornly refuse to
acknowledge. *Of course, you are entitled to your ignorance.

Exposure to these causative factors result in the formation


of free radicals and chronic inflammation leading to cancer. Once
cancer cells are established they have an enormous appetite for
sugar,, iron and glutamate. A seaweed extract foo additive commonly
found in baked goods and ice cream, (CARRAGEENEN) promotes the
aggressive growth and spread of cancer by stimulating the COX-2
enzyme.


None of the above is known for sure. If it were, there would be a standard
treatment given to all cancer patients to prevent its reoccurrence.


First off, not all cancers are created equal and require the same
treatment. *Protocol for treatment is somewhat standardized. *It is
called standard of care, but that evolves as more is learned of the
disease. *Regardless, your conclusion does not strictly follow from
your premise. *This is a logical fallacy known as a non-sequitor, one
of your favorites.

I could go on and on here, but it should be obvious that I


know far more more about the biology of the disease than does Ed
Dolan, not that that in any way hinders him from running his mouth and
offering errant opinion stated as though fact.


"You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance
your
long term prospects." - Ed Dolan


Repeating your copy and paste fallacious assertion does not make it
so. *Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by
repetition). *This is the logical fallacy of trying to prove something
by saying it again and again. *No matter how many times you repeat
something, it will not become any more true than it was with the
initial utterance.

Nope, I haven't heard or seen anything advising men not to eat dairy or
red
meat. This would be headline news if it were true. In fact, it would be on
a
par with the campaign against tobacco.
You haven't heard because you have chosen not to hear. The campaign


against tobacco also was repressed and got off to a slow start after
the evidence was in and the truth were known. Much of this has to do
with deep pocket lobbying interest since a lot of money is at stake.
Regardless, the information is there for those who care to educate
themselves, but you are not among those that choose to be
enlightened. No surprise there.


Ah yes, the old conspiracy notion of why things do not get done according to
so and so. No doubt the doctors want people to get sick too, otherwise they
would be out of business.


You are putting words in my mouth. *I didn't state that doctors want
people to get sick too so they would have patients to attend to, but
lobbying interest backed by money are a fact of life that will always
be with us. *That much is a given.

The main FACT you need to get acquainted with is that we are all victims of
whatever culture we live in. There is no escaping it unless you want to live
alone in the wilds of Alaska hunting and gathering like Chris McCandless of
"Into the Wild" (he died of food poisoning and starvation).


A single person who dies of food poisoning and/or starvation does not
to bolster your argument in the least. *The main FACT that you need to
get acquainted with is that we need not be enslaved by the culture
that we born into and live in. *Truth be told, it is becoming tedious
to attempt to reason with a man so unreasonable.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #127  
Old September 4th 11, 04:10 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On Sep 2, 3:47*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

...
On Sep 1, 4:53 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]

All Americans have more or less the same diet.
This is an absolutely false statement. *Various ethnicities have


different diets and the health conscious eat more organically and then
there are the vegetarians and vegans.

There is some value in comparing the diets of various peoples around the
world with their rates of cancer. But as is well known, comparisons are
extremely difficult for a variety of reasons, the main one being too many
variables involved.


Such studies have been done, but your unwillingness to devote time or
energy to research the matter precludes you from being aware of that.

Yet all Americans do not get
cancer. Most especially, all men do not get prostate cancer, at least not
to
the point where it is going to cause death.
First off, cancer is not American-centric as I have previously


indicated. *All Americans do not get cancer, but all to many do! *The
percentage of men getting prostate cancer is very high and the trend
is for prostate cancer to be contracted earlier than in the past. *Why
do you think that is? *As concerns death, most prostate cancer is a
slow growing non-aggressive form that allows for other maladies to
cause death before prostate cancer does, so your point is rendered
moot.

Maybe we should be studying those people who never get cancer and trying to
find out why that is?


That has been done too (see my comment above in this regard), and
generally resistance to cancer has been determined to be largely
genetically linked. If you expect to be taken seriously and listened
to, I'd suggest you first learn before opening talking crap.

I could go on and on here, but it should be obvious that I

know far more more about the biology of the disease than does Ed
Dolan, not that that in any way hinders him from running his mouth and
offering errant opinion stated as though fact.


What you think you know is a mere pittance compared to what the true experts
know. What are your credentials other than reading a lot of unrelated health
and medical literature on your own?


My doctors have a much higher opinion of my knowledge in this regard
than you do and needless to say I value their opinion more that
yours. Whereas, what I know is arguably less than what experts in the
field know, it is also a given that what you know is a mere pittance
in comparison to what I know, so why don't you give it a rest until
you get up to speed?

"You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance
your
long term prospects." - Ed Dolan


[...]

The main FACT you need to get acquainted with is that we are all victims
of
whatever culture we live in. There is no escaping it unless you want to
live
alone in the wilds of Alaska hunting and gathering like Chris McCandless
of
"Into the Wild" (he died of food poisoning and starvation).
A single person who dies of food poisoning and/or starvation does not


to bolster your argument in the least. *The main FACT that you need to
get acquainted with is that we need not be enslaved by the culture
that we born into and live in. *Truth be told, it is becoming tedious
to attempt to reason with a man so unreasonable.

If you had studied the social sciences more in college instead of worthless
subjects like philosophy and religion at Loyola, you would know that we are
indeed slaves of our culture.


You have no idea what I studied and social sciences were among them.
It is obvious that you didn't benefit from your education which came
to a screaching halt with the recipt of a diploma ... sad that.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old September 4th 11, 04:58 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On Sep 2, 4:03*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

...
On Sep 1, 4:56 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]

Your facts are not really facts, they are just another set of opinions
camouflaged as facts.
Your opinion that known facts are not really facts is merely


camouflaged opinion stated as fact. *Deletion of (presented facts) and
denial of such facts is a ludicrous effort to discredit what is
documented and accepted. *Socrates taught that wisdom begins in the
recognition of how little we know. *Every time you open your mouth,
you embarrass yourself by demonstrating how little you know and in so
doing diminish the sum total of your credibility. *Keep up the good
work.

Nope, simply documenting something does not mean it is true and accepted.
ALL facts are subject to being interpreted and disputed. My contempt for
your so-called facts runneth over!


My contempt for your contempt runneth over. The facts I presented,
and you deleted, were tested and verified facts of which you are in
denial. You never have been able to discern the difference between a
fact and an opinion. Facts are not subject to dispute. Let the
lecture begin..

A fact is a pragmatic truth which can be verified and confirmed as
opposed to perception, belief or opinion which, though held to be
true, is not amenable to confirmation. A fact exists independent of
the mind and that means everyone except the most contentious of
persons (like you) would readily acknowledge and be in agreement about
it ... like temperature, for instance. Measurable, temperature is a
fact and is not subject to interpretation. Interpretation is
basically a conception based on belief and/or judgment. It's
basically your opinion. As valid as an opinion may seem to be and as
strongly as an opinion is may be held, it is little more than an
interpretation conceived to fit the facts as perceived. You often
offer your perceptions as though fact when you are merely stating
nothing more than opinion. Opinion is not a fact and that's a fact no
matter what kind of spin you attempt to put on it.

A fact is information about circumstances that are known to exist or
events that are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not
subject to debate and that's a fact ... not an opinion. You continue
to misconstrue the none too subtle distinction between what
constitutes a fact and what constitutes an opinion. You never have
and never will know the distinction between the two. It is difficult,
if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. You take solace from this
because you are less likely to be proven fallible ... a frailty of
the human condition to which you could not possibly admit. By your
own admission, you are all about opinion and is clamorously
contemptuous of logic and facts. You emphatically insists upon being
unencumbered by logic and unrestrained by facts for two specific,
though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not your strong suit and fact,
by definition, is not subject to debate (read not arguable), which
precludes your favorite pastime ... argumentation. You are
uncomfortable when bound by the confines of logic and fact. So, what
do you do? You argue about opinions, but there's problem with that
too. Something cannot be branded "true" or "false", "right" or
"wrong" when that something is merely an expression of opinion.
Nonetheless this is precisely what you endeavor to do ... debate the
non-debatable (read opinion). What is debatable are particulars such
as values, policies, proposals or propositions. What is also
debatable is whether you will ever be able to discern the distinction
between fact and opinion and determine what is and what is not subject
to debate.

It is worthy to note that an opinion coincides with fact only in
direct relation to the degree with which it is based in fact. A
purveyor of disinformation, your opinions are most often comprised of
immaterial speculation and irrelevant supposition. There is a immense
difference between opinion and conjecture. You are not, as often
asserted, all about opinion. You are all about conjecture ... a none
too subtle distinction which exceeds your poor powers of perception.
The bottom line is that you should stick to what you know, not to what
you think. You are not entitled to an opinion until you can provide a
cogent explanation.

The bottom line is that people become diseased and die every day from
cancer
and other conditions as a result of having lived. Anyone who makes it to
age
70 or so has been doing an awful lot of things right. If everyone were
dying
of diseased conditions in their 30's and 40's, then I would consider
looking
into what might be causing it, but that is clearly not the case.
The bottom line is NOT that people become diseased and die every day


from cancer and other conditions as a result of MERELY having lived, but
rather
that we have lived not as well as we should have, having made choices
that limit our exposure to that which contributes to cumulative damage
of our DNA as we age, genetic mutation that triggers the onset of
disease, an indisputable fact that DOLAN refuses to acknowledge.

Most folks live about as well as their culture permits. Trying to escape
what your culture gives you is a fool's errand.


Opinion stated as fact.

I have never seen anyone in their 80's who was not frail. That is due to a
biological clock which is ticking away in all of us from the moment of our
birth. Diet only effects our health on the margins. The FACT is that our
food in the US is by and large safe. If it weren't, no one would make it
to
age 70 or above.
Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but


diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the
choices we make as to what we ingest. *This has become increasingly
obvious as evidence accumulates.

Diet plays a role because how and what we eat is an important element of
life. However, what is in dispute is how great that role is in the grand
scheme of things. Most people in all previous cultures never lived much past
the age of 40. Maybe mother nature never intended that we should live to age
70 or 80?


Much has changed over time that has contributed to increased
longevity. There are man y variable that have com into play, not the
least of is advancement in medical sciences, but the role that diet
plays cannot be denied.

Why not talk to your wife and get her input. She is a nurse and knows things
about life and death that you and I don't.


Why not get your facts straight before embarrassing yourself? As
usual, you are talking crap again about that which you know nothing.
My wife is a retired IT professional and a certified therapist ...
not a nurse. Can't you ever get anything right???

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old September 5th 11, 08:33 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
...
On Sep 2, 3:47 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]

There is some value in comparing the diets of various peoples around the
world with their rates of cancer. But as is well known, comparisons are
extremely difficult for a variety of reasons, the main one being too many
variables involved.


Such studies have been done, but your unwillingness to devote time or

energy to research the matter precludes you from being aware of that.

Such studies are all over the map. There is no consistency among them. You
merely pick the ones that appeal to your prejudices.
[...]

Maybe we should be studying those people who never get cancer and trying
to
find out why that is?


That has been done too (see my comment above in this regard), and

generally resistance to cancer has been determined to be largely
genetically linked. If you expect to be taken seriously and listened
to, I'd suggest you first learn before opening talking crap.

Same problem - no consistency because of way too many variables.
[...]

What you think you know is a mere pittance compared to what the true
experts
know. What are your credentials other than reading a lot of unrelated
health
and medical literature on your own?


My doctors have a much higher opinion of my knowledge in this regard

than you do and needless to say I value their opinion more that
yours. Whereas, what I know is arguably less than what experts in the
field know, it is also a given that what you know is a mere pittance
in comparison to what I know, so why don't you give it a rest until
you get up to speed?

You have no idea what your doctors really think of your state of knowledge.
Also, most doctors think they know more than they do. The real experts will
tell you that we do not know what causes most cancers.

If you had studied the social sciences more in college instead of
worthless
subjects like philosophy and religion at Loyola, you would know that we
are
indeed slaves of our culture.


You have no idea what I studied and social sciences were among them.

It is obvious that you didn't benefit from your education which came
to a screaching halt with the recipt of a diploma ... sad that.

I know you went to Loyola because you told me so. All Catholic colleges
require that you waste inordinate amounts of time on courses like religion
and philosophy, which is why I never went to a Catholic college. Catholic
colleges are good at preparing students for law and medical schools, but
terrible at any of the liberal arts. Reason? Too much religion.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



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Old September 5th 11, 09:04 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
...
On Sep 2, 4:03 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
Nope, simply documenting something does not mean it is true and accepted.
ALL facts are subject to being interpreted and disputed. My contempt for
your so-called facts runneth over!


My contempt for your contempt runneth over. The facts I presented,

and you deleted, were tested and verified facts of which you are in
denial. You never have been able to discern the difference between a
fact and an opinion. Facts are not subject to dispute. Let the
lecture begin..

Let us NOT begin!

You are not qualified to ascertain anything at all about true health and
medical facts. It takes expertise to do that. All you are reading is
propaganda put forth by know-nothings who have an agenda of their own. They
used to call such types snake oil salesmen who could cure all conditions if
you would only buy their nostrum. The nostrum can be either a product or
information.

A new character has come along (Dr. Oz) advising that we should all eat meat
and dairy. On the other hand. Ornish is still in business advising against
all such foods. This is mainly in connection with heart disease, but even
less is known about cancer.

Final wisdom according to Ed Dolan the Great ... eat whatever you want but
only in moderation!
[...]

Diet plays a role because how and what we eat is an important element of
life. However, what is in dispute is how great that role is in the grand
scheme of things. Most people in all previous cultures never lived much
past
the age of 40. Maybe mother nature never intended that we should live to
age
70 or 80?


Much has changed over time that has contributed to increased

longevity. There are man y variable that have com into play, not the
least of is advancement in medical sciences, but the role that diet
plays cannot be denied.

The trouble with comparing diets and diseases of various peoples around the
globe is that most of the other variables are not uniform. Hells Bells, most
people in most societies do not get cancer because they do not live long
enough to get it. Same is true for heart disease and most other diseases of
old age. Such statistical comparisons are worthless.

Why not talk to your wife and get her input. She is a nurse and knows
things
about life and death that you and I don't.


Why not get your facts straight before embarrassing yourself? As

usual, you are talking crap again about that which you know nothing.
My wife is a retired IT professional and a certified therapist ...
not a nurse. Can't you ever get anything right???

As a therapist, she has seen people in various stages of debilitation and
therefore knows more than you do about the difficulties that go with
impairment and diseased conditions. You are more like me - selfish to the
core and only concerned about yourself. Welcome to the club!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



 




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