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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Jul 12, 2:17 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Have you checked the incidence of prostate cancer among Eskimos? Yes and thi\eir is a rather unique meat diet not to be confused with consumption of beef and chick the is predominant in Western diets, but their diets are changins and so is the rates of cancer right along with it. I'd suggets tyou go back an re-do you research. Begin here, for starters... Yes, traditional diets are going the way of the Dodo Bird all over the world. Still, meat is meat. [...] It is difficult to say what foods do that. Well know it isn't actually, but I have delved into this much more deeply than you have. I till have three more books yet to read a DVD to view regarding this very topic. I don't want to waste too much more of my time bringing you up to speed when you can do that on your own. I doubt that you will find out anything better than "... eat a variety of foods in moderation." If it is all the same to you, I will not waste my time reading anything about what to eat or what not to eat. I leave that sort of thing to food faddists. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Jul 16, 5:07 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Yes, traditional diets are going the way of the Dodo Bird all over the world. Still, meat is meat. Well me is meat? Anothtr opinion stated as fact? Did you ever hear the saying that you are what you eat. There is some truth to it . Is meat form a vegetarian animal the same as that of a carnivore? Is red meat the same as white meat? Meat from organic free range grass fed beef and and meat form genetically modified corn fed beef laced with hormones, antibiotics, herbicides and pesticides are hardly the same now are they? Nope, they are all basically the same. Meat is meat! If food is not safe, the FDA will not allow it on the market. In the plant world, so called organic foods are nothing but a rip-off! Some folks apparently just like to pay a premium for hocus-pocus. [...] I doubt that you will find out anything better than "... eat a variety of foods in moderation." If it is all the same to you, I will not waste my time reading anything about what to eat or what not to eat. I leave that sort of thing to food faddists. What is it like knowing all that there is to know about anything and everything? You really should get up to speed before offering opinions that contradict what science has learned about the food we consume. Although eating a variety of foods in moderation is a generally a good rule of thumb, there are some foods that I will not eat even in moderation since such foods adversely impact one's health over time. What I have read thus far contradicts yous assertion that you doubt I will find out anything better than "... eat a variety of foods in moderation." People often have to tailor a diet because of a particular disease that they have be it high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, lactose intolerance coeliac disease, cancer. etc. I have cancer and knowing what to eat and what not eat is essential. There are a number of good books that secifically address the issue of foods and diet for the cancer patient like ... Anti Cancer A new Way of Life, Nature's Cancer Fighting Foods, Food to Fight Cancer, Natural Strategies for Patients to name a few good ones. I have done lots of my own research about food and diet. What foods to eat and what foods not to eat in regard to cancer is based on voodoo science. It is why doctors don't bother with any of it. Nutrition stores are another royal rip-off. You will get all the minerals and vitamins you need by eating a variety of foods in moderation. Here are just a few links to get you up to speed: No thanks! I have better things to do with my time ... like contemplating my navel for instance. [...] FACT: I have wasted entirely too much time on you. You are uninformed, opinionated and have nothing to base your opinions on and are not even open to being enlightened. Nor will you invest the time. Labeling as "food faddists", a person who is concerned for their health and endeavors to make healthy choices in the foods they consume is an absurdity. How can you be so ignorant? You can lead a hosre to water, but... Eat a variety of foods in moderation and you will live as long and healthy as Nature and Civilization intended. Until just a hundred years ago, most folks, even in civilized countries, did not live much past their 60's. Third world peoples still die in their 40's and 50's. If truth be told, I don't think any of us would live much past 40 if we had to exist in a pure state of nature (a hunting and food gathering culture). Do you know what the average age of those buried in the Roman catacombs from the 1st and 2nd centuries was? They were in their late 20's! Death was an every day event until fairly recently. Those of us who make it into our 70's have achieved some kind of miracle in the light of human history on this planet. I am planning to die of cardiovascular disease myself. In fact, I will be highly chagrined if cancer gets me first. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Jul 20, 11:41*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Jul 16, 5:07 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Yes, traditional diets are going the way of the Dodo Bird all over the world. Still, meat is meat. Well me is meat? Another opinion stated as fact? *Did you ever hear the saying that you are what you eat? *There is some truth to it . *Is meat form a vegetarian animal the same as that of a carnivore? *Is red meat the same as white meat? *Meat from organic free range grass fed beef and and meat form genetically *modified corn fed beef laced with hormones, antibiotics, herbicides and pesticides are hardly the same now are they? Nope, they are all basically the same. What we have here is a logical fallacy know as Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by repetition). This is the fallacy of trying to prove something by saying it again and again, but no matter how many times one repeats something, it will not become any more true than it was with the first utterance. Repetition is no substitute for argumentation. I gave specific example to substantiate what I said. You merely repeated your fallacious opinion without offering any substantiation in support of your position ... typical!!! Meat is meat! If food is not safe, the FDA will not allow it on the market. If you believe that, I've a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. The FDA has approved many a drug on the market alleged to be safe.thalidomide being an example. I rest my case.. In the plant world, so called organic foods are nothing but a rip-off! Some folks apparently just like to pay a premium for hocus-pocus. [...] I think you forgot to precede you opinion stated as fact with ... "In my opinion". Apparently, you have much to learn about organic food. I doubt that you will find out anything better than "... eat a variety of foods in moderation." If it is all the same to you, I will not waste my time reading anything about what to eat or what not to eat. I leave that sort of thing to food faddists. What is it like knowing all that there is to know about anything and everything? *You really should get up to speed before offering opinions that contradict what science has learned about the food we consume. *Although eating a variety of foods in moderation is a generally a good rule of thumb, there are some foods that I will not eat even in moderation since such foods adversely impact one's health over time. *What I have read thus far contradicts yous assertion that you doubt I will find out anything better than *"... eat a variety of foods in moderation." *People often have to tailor a diet because of a particular disease that they have be it high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, lactose intolerance coeliac disease, cancer. etc. I have cancer and knowing what to eat and what not eat is essential. There are a number of good books that specifically address the issue of foods and diet for the cancer patient like ... Anti Cancer A new Way of Life, Nature's Cancer Fighting Foods, Food to Fight Cancer, Natural Strategies for Patients to name a few good ones. *I have done lots of my own research about food and diet. What foods to eat and what foods not to eat in regard to cancer is based on voodoo science. You are in much need of an education, but you cant educate someone who thinks he already know all that there is to know. It is why doctors don't bother with any of it. What we have her is a logical fallacy know as a Non Sequitur ("It does not follow"). This is the of stating, as a conclusion, something that does not strictly follow from a premise. Actually, many doctors don't bother with nutrition because many doctors know little about it. One of the unfortunate intellectual vacuums in conventional medical training is nutrition. The vast majority of doctors don’t know a great deal about nutrition because most medical schools don’t teach nutrition. Nutrition stores are another royal rip-off. You will get all the minerals and vitamins you need by eating a variety of foods in moderation. Must all you unsubstantiated opinion be stated as though factual? Some of our over farmed soils are known to be depleted of phytonutrients. Here are just a few links to get you up to speed: No thanks! I have better things to do with my time ... like contemplating my navel for instance. [...] Thanks for proving my point that you think you know all that is worth knowing and are not open to enlightment. You prove that with almost every post that you make. FACT: I have wasted entirely too much time on you. *You are uninformed, opinionated and have nothing to base your opinions on and are not even open to being enlightened. *Nor will you invest the time. Labeling *as "food faddists", a person who is concerned for their health and endeavors to make healthy choices in the foods they consume is an absurdity. *How can you be so ignorant? *You can lead a horse to water, but... Eat a variety of foods in moderation and you will live as long and healthy as Nature and Civilization intended. Until just a hundred years ago, most folks, even in civilized countries, did not live much past their 60's. Third world peoples still die in their 40's and 50's. If truth be told, I don't think any of us would live much past 40 if we had to exist in a pure state of nature (a hunting and food gathering culture). You are entitle to your opinion as long as it is not stated as unsubstantiated fact. Do you know what the average age of those buried in the Roman catacombs from the 1st and 2nd centuries was? They were in their late 20's! Death was an every day event until fairly recently. Those of us who make it into our 70's have achieved some kind of miracle in the light of human history on this planet. You are entitle to your opinion as long as it is not stated as unsubstantiated fact. I am planning to die of cardiovascular disease myself. In fact, I will be highly chagrined if cancer gets me first. Whatever. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Jul 20, 11:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Meat is meat! If food is not safe, the FDA will not allow it on the market. If you believe that, I've a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. The FDA has approved many a drug on the market alleged to be safe.thalidomide being an example. I rest my case.. Our FDA is the model for every other country in the world to get up to speed on food and drug safety. Is it perfect? Of course not, but then what or who is! In the plant world, so called organic foods are nothing but a rip-off! Some folks apparently just like to pay a premium for hocus-pocus. [...] I think you forgot to precede you opinion stated as fact with ... "In my opinion". Apparently, you have much to learn about organic food. I know it is more expensive than regular grown food. Billions of people would starve to death if they had to depend on organic grown food. [...] What foods to eat and what foods not to eat in regard to cancer is based on voodoo science. You are in much need of an education, but you cant educate someone who thinks he already know all that there is to know. I stopped learning anything new several decades ago. It must be awful to be a student all of your life! It is why doctors don't bother with any of it. What we have her is a logical fallacy know as a Non Sequitur ("It does not follow"). This is the of stating, as a conclusion, something that does not strictly follow from a premise. Actually, many doctors don't bother with nutrition because many doctors know little about it. One of the unfortunate intellectual vacuums in conventional medical training is nutrition. The vast majority of doctors don’t know a great deal about nutrition because most medical schools don’t teach nutrition. Nutrition would be taught in medical schools if it was thought it mattered. Most folks who concern themselves with food overly much seem like screwballs to me. I note that Tom Sherman thinks what you eat is important too - and it is well known by everyone in the universe that Tom Sherman is a screwball! Nutrition stores are another royal rip-off. You will get all the minerals and vitamins you need by eating a variety of foods in moderation. Must all you unsubstantiated opinion be stated as though factual? Some of our over farmed soils are known to be depleted of phytonutrients. Animal organisms, especially hardy humans, are able to overcome whatever slight nutritional defeciencies may exist here and there. It is why I recommend eating a variety of foods in moderation. Here are just a few links to get you up to speed: No thanks! I have better things to do with my time ... like contemplating my navel for instance. [...] Thanks for proving my point that you think you know all that is worth knowing and are not open to enlightment [enlightenment]. You prove that with almost every post that you make. It is all part of My Greatness! I even amaze Myself at times! Think of me as the Oracle of Minnesota! [...] I am planning to die of cardiovascular disease myself. In fact, I will be highly chagrined if cancer gets me first. Whatever. You also are going to die of something other than prostate cancer. That is because you have availed yourself of the standard medical treatments, not because of your pursuit of cancer unfriendly foods. But of course, you know more than all the experts in the world combined. Maybe you are planning to open your own cancer clinic one of these days? -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Jul 22, 4:05*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Jul 20, 11:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Meat is meat! If food is not safe, the FDA will not allow it on the market. If you believe that, I've a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. The FDA has approved many a drug on the market alleged to be safe.thalidomide being an example. *I rest my case.. Our FDA is the model for every other country in the world to get up to speed on food and drug safety. Is it perfect? Of course not, but then what or who is! In the plant world, so called organic foods are nothing but a rip-off! Some folks apparently just like to pay a premium for hocus-pocus. [...] I think you forgot to precede you opinion stated as fact with ... "In my opinion". *Apparently, you have much to learn about organic food. I know it is more expensive than regular grown food. Billions of people would starve to death if they had to depend on organic grown food. [...] What foods to eat and what foods not to eat in regard to cancer is based on voodoo science. You are in much need of an education, but you cant educate someone who thinks he already know all that there is to know. I stopped learning anything new several decades ago. It must be awful to be a student all of your life! Wise men become wise men by continuing the learning process throughout their entire life. You have opted for academic stagnation ... an unfortunate choice. .. It is why doctors don't bother with any of it. What we have her is a logical fallacy know as a Non Sequitur ("It does not follow"). This is the *of stating, as a conclusion, something that does not strictly follow from a premise. *Actually, many doctors don't bother with nutrition because many doctors know little about it. *One of the unfortunate intellectual vacuums in conventional medical training is nutrition. The vast majority of doctors don’t know a great deal about nutrition because most medical schools don’t teach nutrition. Nutrition would be taught in medical schools if it was thought it mattered. In your opinion your opinion you meant to say. Most folks who concern themselves with food overly much seem like screwballs to me. I note that Tom Sherman thinks what you eat is important too - and it is well known by everyone in the universe that Tom Sherman is a screwball! Opinion stated as fact. Nutrition stores are another royal rip-off. You will get all the minerals and vitamins you need by eating a variety of foods in moderation. Must all you unsubstantiated opinion be stated as though factual? Some of our over farmed soils are known to be depleted of phytonutrients. Animal organisms, especially hardy humans, are able to overcome whatever slight nutritional defeciencies may exist here and there. It is why I recommend eating a variety of foods in moderation No matter what you say to the contrary, the biological organism cannot overcome nutritional deficiency form those nutrients that are required and are obtained from ingestion. Here are just a few links to get you up to speed: No thanks! I have better things to do with my time ... like contemplating my navel for instance. [...] Thanks for proving my point that you think you know all that is worth knowing and are not open to enlightment [enlightenment]. *You prove that with almost every post that you make. It is all part of My Greatness! I even amaze Myself at times! Think of me as the Oracle of Minnesota! [...] I am planning to die of cardiovascular disease myself. In fact, I will be highly chagrined if cancer gets me first. Whatever. You also are going to die of something other than prostate cancer. That is because you have availed yourself of the standard medical treatments, not because of your pursuit of cancer unfriendly foods. You again forgot to state that this is you opinion. I have availed myself of standard medical treatments, but have not and will not overlook the importance of healing foods and the importance of foods that are know to cause or stimulate the spread of cancer.. From where do you think the majority of medicine are derived? Aspirin comes from tree bark and penicillin from bread bold, for instance. But of course, you know more than all the experts in the world combined. Maybe you are planning to open your own cancer clinic one of these days? What we have her is a coping mechanism at work ... projection. Although I certainly know more than do you in this regard, I haven't once pretended to "know more than all the experts in the world combined". I will reserve that accolade for you who chooses to ignore what the experts in the world have made known and whose advice I rely upon, but you dismiss. In a nutshell, that's that on that -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Jul 22, 4:05 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] I stopped learning anything new several decades ago. It must be awful to be a student all of your life! Wise men become wise men by continuing the learning process throughout their entire life. You have opted for academic stagnation ... an unfortunate choice. I knew an academic type who decided to learn a new language at age 70. Why? Because he wanted to keep his mind sharp. He died a year later. He would have been better off contemplating the eternal verities like me instead of learning a new language which he would never use. [...] You also are going to die of something other than prostate cancer. That is because you have availed yourself of the standard medical treatments, not because of your pursuit of cancer unfriendly foods. You again forgot to state that this is you opinion. I have availed myself of standard medical treatments, but have not and will not overlook the importance of healing foods and the importance of foods that are know to cause or stimulate the spread of cancer.. From where do you think the majority of medicine are derived? Aspirin comes from tree bark and penicillin from bread bold, for instance. Your pursuit of alternative treatments will keep you mentally occupied and who knows, you may even hit on something. But the chances are that it will be a dead end. That is why they remain forever alternative treatments. But of course, you know more than all the experts in the world combined. Maybe you are planning to open your own cancer clinic one of these days? What we have her is a coping mechanism at work ... projection. Although I certainly know more than do you in this regard, I haven't once pretended to "know more than all the experts in the world combined". I will reserve that accolade for you who chooses to ignore what the experts in the world have made known and whose advice I rely upon, but you dismiss. In a nutshell, that's that on that You probably know more useless information than I know, but all the pertinent information relating to prostate cancer can be summed up in a rather small booklet. Read the small booklet and you will know all you need to know. Leave everything else to the medical researchers. If what they find out is any good, it will make its way into the booklet. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On 7/20/2011 11:41 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...] Nope, they are all basically the same. Meat is meat! If food is not safe, the FDA will not allow it on the market.[...] Mr. Ed Dolan's confidence in the FDA is unwarranted by facts. [...] I am planning to die of cardiovascular disease myself. In fact, I will be highly chagrined if cancer gets me first. Or you could suffer a case of terminal pigheadedness. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On 7/21/2011 10:07 PM, JimmyMac wrote:
[...] What we have here is a logical fallacy know as Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by repetition). This is the fallacy of trying to prove something by saying it again and again, but no matter how many times one repeats something, it will not become any more true than it was with the first utterance. Repetition is no substitute for argumentation. I gave specific example to substantiate what I said. You merely repeated your fallacious opinion without offering any substantiation in support of your position ... typical!!! [...] Please recall that Mr. Ed Dolan is a fan of Faux Noos, which uses the repetitive big lie technique (when it is not spying on and blackmailing public figures). -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Jul 23, 7:44*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Jul 22, 4:05 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] I stopped learning anything new several decades ago. It must be awful to be a student all of your life! Wise men become wise men by continuing the learning process throughout their entire life. You have opted for academic stagnation ... an unfortunate choice. I knew an academic type who decided to learn a new language at age 70. Why? Because he wanted to keep his mind sharp. He died a year later. He would have been better off contemplating the eternal verities like me instead of learning a new language which he would never use. [...] What we have here is the logical fallacy know as a red herring ... introducing irrelevant facts or arguments to distract from the question at hand. You also are going to die of something other than prostate cancer. That is because you have availed yourself of the standard medical treatments, not because of your pursuit of cancer unfriendly foods. You again forgot to state that this is you opinion. *I have availed myself of standard medical treatments, but have not and will not overlook the importance of healing foods and the importance of foods that are known to cause or stimulate the spread of cancer.. *From where do you think the majority of medicine are derived? *Aspirin comes from tree bark and penicillin from bread bold, for instance. Your pursuit of alternative treatments will keep you mentally occupied and who knows, you may even hit on something. But the chances are that it will be a dead end. That is why they remain forever alternative treatments. What we have here is a logical fallacy know as a non sequitor or fallacy of stating, as a conclusion, something that does not strictly follow from a premises. Many a conventional medical treatment is literally a "dead end" and that is what gave birth to and popularized alternatve treatments. Unfortunately, many are quackery that appeal to the desperate. I am not interested in alternative treatment, but rather complimentary means in a holistic approach to the treatment of my disease. I guess the subtlety of the none too subtle difference escaped your attention. But of course, you know more than all the experts in the world combined. Maybe you are planning to open your own cancer clinic one of these days? What we have her is a coping mechanism at work ... projection. Although I certainly know more than do you in this regard, I haven't once pretended to "know more than all the experts in the world combined". *I will reserve that accolade for you who chooses to ignore what the experts in the world have made known and whose advice I rely upon, but you dismiss. * In a nutshell, that's that on that You probably know more useless information than I know, but all the pertinent information relating to prostate cancer can be summed up in a rather small booklet. In your jaded, opinion based upon what litlle you know you forgot to add. I know more useful information than you do regarding prostate cancer. That much has become abundantly clear. Read the small booklet and you will know all you need to know. Leave everything else to the medical researchers. If what they find out is any good, it will make its way into the booklet. Saying something is so doesn't make it so, even if you are the ones saying ... especially if you are the one saying it. What never ceases to amaze me is your willingness to prove beyond question what an incredibly close minded block head you are. Little booklets are merely primers produced for people with your abysmal level of absorption. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Jul 24, 1:36*pm, "T°m Sherm@n" ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 7/20/2011 11:41 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Nope, they are all basically the same. Meat is meat! If food is not safe, the FDA will not allow it on the market.[...] Mr. Ed Dolan's confidence in the FDA is unwarranted by facts. You think? ;^) Don't use that word (FACT) around Ed. He despises facts. Just ask him. He is all bout opinion no matter how errant and uncoroborated it is. Now thats a FACT! [...] I am planning to die of cardiovascular disease myself. In fact, I will be highly chagrined if cancer gets me first. Or you could suffer a case of terminal pigheadedness. I hear you, but unfortunatel the rest of us suffer because of Ed's terminal pigheadedness. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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